Viruses / Vaccines 2

mrussel1 said:

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Zod said:

Data seems limited, but most things I've read seem to indicate both the vaccine's and natural immunity wane.  Moderna seems to be the most robust, but it still wanes.   Plus the vaccines are getting more and more obsolete.  They were designed for the original strain, so their ability to prevent infection has greatly been reduced, but their ability to prevent bad cases of covid is still strong.

So this would seem to be an ongoing problem unless vaccine's improve.  After about 6 months vaccine and natural immunity has greatly waned.  So unless better vaccine's come out, isn't the booster thing going to be an issue for a while?  Unless Covid keeps mutating into less lethal strains.

I guess too.. even if protection has waned, your body must at least remember some of the way to fight the virus, so maybe it's not quite as bad as never been vaccinated or infected.

Aren't we all prepared for an annual shot, like the flu?  That strain changes yearly and annual shots are recommended.  I think this will be the same.  

I'd be surprised if they don't offer a twin vaccination for both the flu and CoVid (if it can be done).

mrussel1 said:

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Zod said:

Data seems limited, but most things I've read seem to indicate both the vaccine's and natural immunity wane.  Moderna seems to be the most robust, but it still wanes.   Plus the vaccines are getting more and more obsolete.  They were designed for the original strain, so their ability to prevent infection has greatly been reduced, but their ability to prevent bad cases of covid is still strong.

So this would seem to be an ongoing problem unless vaccine's improve.  After about 6 months vaccine and natural immunity has greatly waned.  So unless better vaccine's come out, isn't the booster thing going to be an issue for a while?  Unless Covid keeps mutating into less lethal strains.

I guess too.. even if protection has waned, your body must at least remember some of the way to fight the virus, so maybe it's not quite as bad as never been vaccinated or infected.

Aren't we all prepared for an annual shot, like the flu?  That strain changes yearly and annual shots are recommended.  I think this will be the same.  

yah, but at this rate it's a shot every 6 months, not annually.  The vaccines seeem to lose of a lot of effectiveness by 6 months :(

mrussel1 said:

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Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

Data seems limited, but most things I've read seem to indicate both the vaccine's and natural immunity wane.  Moderna seems to be the most robust, but it still wanes.   Plus the vaccines are getting more and more obsolete.  They were designed for the original strain, so their ability to prevent infection has greatly been reduced, but their ability to prevent bad cases of covid is still strong.

So this would seem to be an ongoing problem unless vaccine's improve.  After about 6 months vaccine and natural immunity has greatly waned.  So unless better vaccine's come out, isn't the booster thing going to be an issue for a while?  Unless Covid keeps mutating into less lethal strains.

I guess too.. even if protection has waned, your body must at least remember some of the way to fight the virus, so maybe it's not quite as bad as never been vaccinated or infected.

Aren't we all prepared for an annual shot, like the flu?  That strain changes yearly and annual shots are recommended.  I think this will be the same.  

yah, but at this rate it's a shot every 6 months, not annually.  The vaccines seeem to lose of a lot of effectiveness by 6 months :(

Like influenza,  wouldn't you expect that it becomes seasonal?

I would hope, but we seem to get several waves of covid every year, and the vaccines were designed to fight the one 2 years ago, and they run out of juice after 6 months.  hopefully things keep getting better so we get to that point

static111 said:

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mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

Data seems limited, but most things I've read seem to indicate both the vaccine's and natural immunity wane.  Moderna seems to be the most robust, but it still wanes.   Plus the vaccines are getting more and more obsolete.  They were designed for the original strain, so their ability to prevent infection has greatly been reduced, but their ability to prevent bad cases of covid is still strong.

So this would seem to be an ongoing problem unless vaccine's improve.  After about 6 months vaccine and natural immunity has greatly waned.  So unless better vaccine's come out, isn't the booster thing going to be an issue for a while?  Unless Covid keeps mutating into less lethal strains.

I guess too.. even if protection has waned, your body must at least remember some of the way to fight the virus, so maybe it's not quite as bad as never been vaccinated or infected.

Aren't we all prepared for an annual shot, like the flu?  That strain changes yearly and annual shots are recommended.  I think this will be the same.  

yah, but at this rate it's a shot every 6 months, not annually.  The vaccines seeem to lose of a lot of effectiveness by 6 months :(

Like influenza,  wouldn't you expect that it becomes seasonal?

If the current data says that being vaccinated or vaccinated plus boosted by todays standards will keep you from the hospital/death, what is the point of getting another boost?  Don't get me wrong if the data shows that there will be a significant drop in protection from death/hospitalization I will be going to get another booster for sure.  I'm just confused as to why anyone would continue getting shots if they are protected against death and hospitalization.

I’m guessing the immunity fades and the virus changes enough to where eventually it’s ineffective. I don’t think they know which point or how long until hospitalization and death is a serious risk again, but at some point it would be. Once a year doesn’t seem like an unrealistic prediction.

OnWis97 said:

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static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

Data seems limited, but most things I've read seem to indicate both the vaccine's and natural immunity wane.  Moderna seems to be the most robust, but it still wanes.   Plus the vaccines are getting more and more obsolete.  They were designed for the original strain, so their ability to prevent infection has greatly been reduced, but their ability to prevent bad cases of covid is still strong.

So this would seem to be an ongoing problem unless vaccine's improve.  After about 6 months vaccine and natural immunity has greatly waned.  So unless better vaccine's come out, isn't the booster thing going to be an issue for a while?  Unless Covid keeps mutating into less lethal strains.

I guess too.. even if protection has waned, your body must at least remember some of the way to fight the virus, so maybe it's not quite as bad as never been vaccinated or infected.

Aren't we all prepared for an annual shot, like the flu?  That strain changes yearly and annual shots are recommended.  I think this will be the same.  

yah, but at this rate it's a shot every 6 months, not annually.  The vaccines seeem to lose of a lot of effectiveness by 6 months :(

Like influenza,  wouldn't you expect that it becomes seasonal?

If the current data says that being vaccinated or vaccinated plus boosted by todays standards will keep you from the hospital/death, what is the point of getting another boost?  Don't get me wrong if the data shows that there will be a significant drop in protection from death/hospitalization I will be going to get another booster for sure.  I'm just confused as to why anyone would continue getting shots if they are protected against death and hospitalization.

For me, it's also about my role in minimizing spread...i.e., I don't want to catch it at all, even if it's not potentially deadly. Unless you (the greater "you") can tell me why it's problematic to continue to get the shot, I see no reason not to. I go to the dentist twice a year and that's far more annoying and uncomfortable.

tell me about it. been 3 times in the last month (regular check up, then jaw pain, then follow up-apparently SSRI's can cause TMJ! WTF!!)

benjs said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

Data seems limited, but most things I've read seem to indicate both the vaccine's and natural immunity wane.  Moderna seems to be the most robust, but it still wanes.   Plus the vaccines are getting more and more obsolete.  They were designed for the original strain, so their ability to prevent infection has greatly been reduced, but their ability to prevent bad cases of covid is still strong.

So this would seem to be an ongoing problem unless vaccine's improve.  After about 6 months vaccine and natural immunity has greatly waned.  So unless better vaccine's come out, isn't the booster thing going to be an issue for a while?  Unless Covid keeps mutating into less lethal strains.

I guess too.. even if protection has waned, your body must at least remember some of the way to fight the virus, so maybe it's not quite as bad as never been vaccinated or infected.

Aren't we all prepared for an annual shot, like the flu?  That strain changes yearly and annual shots are recommended.  I think this will be the same.  

yah, but at this rate it's a shot every 6 months, not annually.  The vaccines seeem to lose of a lot of effectiveness by 6 months :(

Like influenza,  wouldn't you expect that it becomes seasonal?

If the current data says that being vaccinated or vaccinated plus boosted by todays standards will keep you from the hospital/death, what is the point of getting another boost?  Don't get me wrong if the data shows that there will be a significant drop in protection from death/hospitalization I will be going to get another booster for sure.  I'm just confused as to why anyone would continue getting shots if they are protected against death and hospitalization.

For me, it's also about my role in minimizing spread...i.e., I don't want to catch it at all, even if it's not potentially deadly. Unless you (the greater "you") can tell me why it's problematic to continue to get the shot, I see no reason not to. I go to the dentist twice a year and that's far more annoying and uncomfortable.

tell me about it. been 3 times in the last month (regular check up, then jaw pain, then follow up-apparently SSRI's can cause TMJ! WTF!!)

That explains a lot. Then the TMJ exacerbates my tinnitus :( 

totally bizarre, tinnitus just started up for me in January, out of the blue, prior to me starting up my SSRI's again. mostly it happens at night when I lie down (and it's not a quiet thing-we have a dehumidifier running 24/7 that can get quite noisy, and it seems to actually make it worse). 

so I'm wondering if I already ground my teeth because of my sleep apnea (fuck I have a lot of issues lol), and that's what caused the tinnitus, and then the TMJ just made everything worse once I started my SSRI's. 

but I quit my SSRI's immediately upon reading that, (but also because of some GI issues that were going on 5 weeks that should have been done after week 2). 

so I'm really hoping my tinnitus goes away. Mind you, I do find that what I read was kinda true; even though it's loud, it doesn't stress me out as much as it did in the beginning. 

cblock4life said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

benjs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

mrussel1 said:

Zod said:

Data seems limited, but most things I've read seem to indicate both the vaccine's and natural immunity wane.  Moderna seems to be the most robust, but it still wanes.   Plus the vaccines are getting more and more obsolete.  They were designed for the original strain, so their ability to prevent infection has greatly been reduced, but their ability to prevent bad cases of covid is still strong.

So this would seem to be an ongoing problem unless vaccine's improve.  After about 6 months vaccine and natural immunity has greatly waned.  So unless better vaccine's come out, isn't the booster thing going to be an issue for a while?  Unless Covid keeps mutating into less lethal strains.

I guess too.. even if protection has waned, your body must at least remember some of the way to fight the virus, so maybe it's not quite as bad as never been vaccinated or infected.

Aren't we all prepared for an annual shot, like the flu?  That strain changes yearly and annual shots are recommended.  I think this will be the same.  

yah, but at this rate it's a shot every 6 months, not annually.  The vaccines seeem to lose of a lot of effectiveness by 6 months :(

Like influenza,  wouldn't you expect that it becomes seasonal?

If the current data says that being vaccinated or vaccinated plus boosted by todays standards will keep you from the hospital/death, what is the point of getting another boost?  Don't get me wrong if the data shows that there will be a significant drop in protection from death/hospitalization I will be going to get another booster for sure.  I'm just confused as to why anyone would continue getting shots if they are protected against death and hospitalization.

For me, it's also about my role in minimizing spread...i.e., I don't want to catch it at all, even if it's not potentially deadly. Unless you (the greater "you") can tell me why it's problematic to continue to get the shot, I see no reason not to. I go to the dentist twice a year and that's far more annoying and uncomfortable.

tell me about it. been 3 times in the last month (regular check up, then jaw pain, then follow up-apparently SSRI's can cause TMJ! WTF!!)

That explains a lot. Then the TMJ exacerbates my tinnitus :( 

totally bizarre, tinnitus just started up for me in January, out of the blue, prior to me starting up my SSRI's again. mostly it happens at night when I lie down (and it's not a quiet thing-we have a dehumidifier running 24/7 that can get quite noisy, and it seems to actually make it worse). 

so I'm wondering if I already ground my teeth because of my sleep apnea (fuck I have a lot of issues lol), and that's what caused the tinnitus, and then the TMJ just made everything worse once I started my SSRI's. 

but I quit my SSRI's immediately upon reading that, (but also because of some GI issues that were going on 5 weeks that should have been done after week 2). 

so I'm really hoping my tinnitus goes away. Mind you, I do find that what I read was kinda true; even though it's loud, it doesn't stress me out as much as it did in the beginning. 

Take a look at Wellbutrin and maybe even Cymbalta.  I have CFS, Bruxism, TMJ, Tinnitus, etc.  and they both help me. 

Thanks. I’ll check with my doc (and have to check if those are available in Canada)

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