Viruses / Vaccines 2

Go Beavers

lastexitlondon said:

There has with vaccine for sure its all out there to find. Its well known. Again ive  had 3 so im not an anti vaxxer but the truth is the truth

I’m not following. What’s the truth? 

mickeyrat

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon7 said:

There has with vaccine for sure its all out there to find. Its well known. Again ive  had 3 so im not an anti vaxxer but the truth is the truth

I’m not following. What’s the truth? 

and which vaccine....

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

Go Beavers said:

lastexitlondon7 said:

There has with vaccine for sure its all out there to find. Its well known. Again ive  had 3 so im not an anti vaxxer but the truth is the truth

I’m not following. What’s the truth? 

and which vaccine....

Right?

Recently I found out about the higher risk of myocarditis related to the smallpox vaccine. Weird how that was never politicized the way this one was. 

lastexitlondon

Myocarditis from  mrna vaccines is well known. In my country its nothing to do with politics 

Merkin Baller

lastexitlondon said:

Myocarditis from  mrna vaccines is well known. 

As is myocarditis from Covid19. 

Which carries the higher risk of developing myocarditis? The virus, or the vaccine? 

lastexitlondon

Do you know?

Hi!

I’m pretty sure my 2 bouts with Covid fucked me up. I had 3 shots so far, was scheduled to get a fourth…. Not sure if I’m gonna get the 4 th shot. I’ll prolly wait awhile.

lastexitlondon

Natural immunity  must be better and if you had 3 and still got fucked up what did the  3 do?

Merkin Baller

lastexitlondon said:

Do you know?

I'm no scientist or doctor, but I've read that myocarditis can develop from both; The most recent study I found suggested there was a higher rate of it from the virus itself as opposed to the vaccine, but that study was from early late spring / early summer of 2022. 

I'm open to reading some more recent studies comparing the risks if you know of any. 

lastexitlondon

Where  im at with it is. Ive had 2 az 1 pfizer . Every  single person in my whole family and partners family have had covid. I have not. Not one of them  was very ill thankfully. If i get it now so be it i still take care and wear a mask whilst nobody else does here. . I am still  afraid but im not taking  anymore mrna vaccines thats my choice
 Ive seen enough scientific  evidence to say the risk now out ways the  need for more vaccines . But thats my choice we all have our own to make. And thats each and every person's  to make. 

lastexitlondon

I do know of studies but to put anything here is like throwing myself on the fire. No point

Hi!

lastexitlondon said:

Natural immunity  must be better and if you had 3 and still got fucked up what did the  3 do?

No. I got vid before the shots came out. I would of much preferred to have been vaxed beforehand. Was scheduled for a fourth shot upon my return from my St. Louis, Nashville vacation, but got vid again during .I know I need to reschedule soon, but I’m getting lazy about getting another shot.

Go Beavers

lastexitlondon said:

I do know of studies but to put anything here is like throwing myself on the fire. No point

Myocarditis and the relationship to the vaccine as well as the illness has been studied and the results widely dispersed. Was this the “truth” you suggested has somehow been hidden from people? 

Merkin Baller

lastexitlondon said:

Where  im at with it is. Ive had 2 az 1 pfizer . Every  single person in my whole family and partners family have had covid. I have not. Not one of them  was very ill thankfully. If i get it now so be it i still take care and wear a mask whilst nobody else does here. . I am still  afraid but im not taking  anymore mrna vaccines thats my choice
 Ive seen enough scientific  evidence to say the risk now out ways the  need for more vaccines . But thats my choice we all have our own to make. And thats each and every person's  to make. 

I agree. At this point it's your call, take the vaccine, or don't. If people want to rely on their anecdotal experience, so be it. I'm not going to tell you what to do. 

But if we're going to talk about risk of myocarditis from the vaccine, it's worth mentioning there are studies out there that suggest the odds of developing it are higher from the virus than the vaccine. 

Here's one from August:

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

As reported here: 

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines

lastexitlondon

Some of the worlds leading cardiologists are speaking out . I dont know about what you can read in your  country but im ok with not having anymore

Merkin Baller

lastexitlondon said:

Some of the worlds leading cardiologists are speaking out . I dont know about what you can read in your  country but im ok with not having anymore

Cool, don't get anymore vaccines. That's your decision. 


I'm talking about the risk of developing myocarditis from the vaccine... I understand that risk exists, but I'm also under the impression there's a higher rate of people developing myocarditis from COVID19 itself than the vaccine. 

If you have information refuting that. I'm open to reading more about it. 

lastexitlondon

The first link you posted  clearly says men under 40 have a higher risk from vaccine than covid 

lastexitlondon

Merkin Baller

lastexitlondon said:

The first link you posted  clearly says men under 40 have a higher risk from vaccine than covid 

For men under 40. Correct. There's a higher risk for that specific demo.

For men > 40 and women however, this study suggests the vaccine carries less of a risk than the virus itself. 

HughFreakingDillon

Merkin Baller said:

lastexitlondon said:

Some of the worlds leading cardiologists are speaking out . I dont know about what you can read in your  country but im ok with not having anymore

Cool, don't get anymore vaccines. That's your decision. 


I'm talking about the risk of developing myocarditis from the vaccine... I understand that risk exists, but I'm also under the impression there's a higher rate of people developing myocarditis from COVID19 itself than the vaccine. 

If you have information refuting that. I'm open to reading more about it. 

it's a MUCH higher risk of getting it from covid than from the vaccine. that is proven. there are always risks with any medication. jesus, look at the list of shit you get with anti depressants, or even over the counter headache medicine. no one pays any attention to it. but the risks are there and published. just like these ones were. nothing was hidden. it's all out. always has been, once they knew about it. it was reported during some trials, but they didn't know if it was because of the vaccine or not because it happened at the same instance as in the general population. but it was NEVER lied about. anyone who says it was is either lying or ignorant. 

lastexitlondon

I dont think lies are being told  . With each day comes  more actual factual information and im keen to learn from what is happening  

23scidoo

lastexitlondon said:

I dont think lies are being told  . With each day comes  more actual factual information and im keen to learn from what is happening  

Iit has been proven that we were lied to..

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/politics-health-china-government-beijing-762d314d452875ecc525d5c21dbfa541

 

China China government Beijing European Union COVID-19

Beds run out at Beijing hospital as COVID brings more sick

Today

BEIJING (AP) — Patients, most of them elderly, are lying on stretchers in hallways and taking oxygen while sitting in wheelchairs as COVID-19 surges in China’s capital Beijing.

The Chuiyangliu hospital in the city’s east was packed with newly arrived patients on Thursday. By midmorning beds had run out, even as ambulances continued to bring those in need.

Hard-pressed nurses and doctors rushed to take information and triage the most urgent cases.

The surge in severely ill people needing hospital care follows China abandonment of its most severe pandemic restrictions last month after nearly three years of lockdowns, travels bans and school closures that weighed heavily on the economy and prompted street protests not seen since the late 1980s.

It also comes as the the European Union on Wednesday “strongly encouraged” its member states to impose pre-departure COVID-19 testing of passengers from China.

Over the past week, EU nations have reacted with a variety of restrictions toward travelers from China, disregarding an earlier commitment to act in unity.

Italy — where the pandemic first exacted a heavy toll in Europe in early 2020 — was the first EU member to require coronavirus tests for airline passengers coming from China, but France and Spain quickly followed with their own measures. That followed the imposition by the U.S. of a requirement that all passengers from China show a negative test result obtained in the previous 48 hours before departure.

China has warned of “countermeasures” if such policies were to be imposed across the bloc.

Still, World Health Organization head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Wednesday he was concerned about the lack of outbreak data from the Chinese government.

China has sought to get more of its elderly population vaccinated, but those efforts have been hampered by past scandals involving fake medications and previous warnings about adverse reactions to the vaccines among older people.

China's domestically developed vaccines are also considered less effective than the mRNA jabs used elsewhere.

tempo_n_groove

mickeyrat said:

https://apnews.com/article/politics-health-china-government-beijing-762d314d452875ecc525d5c21dbfa541

 

China China government Beijing European Union COVID-19

Beds run out at Beijing hospital as COVID brings more sick

Today

BEIJING (AP) — Patients, most of them elderly, are lying on stretchers in hallways and taking oxygen while sitting in wheelchairs as COVID-19 surges in China’s capital Beijing.

The Chuiyangliu hospital in the city’s east was packed with newly arrived patients on Thursday. By midmorning beds had run out, even as ambulances continued to bring those in need.

Hard-pressed nurses and doctors rushed to take information and triage the most urgent cases.

The surge in severely ill people needing hospital care follows China abandonment of its most severe pandemic restrictions last month after nearly three years of lockdowns, travels bans and school closures that weighed heavily on the economy and prompted street protests not seen since the late 1980s.

It also comes as the the European Union on Wednesday “strongly encouraged” its member states to impose pre-departure COVID-19 testing of passengers from China.

Over the past week, EU nations have reacted with a variety of restrictions toward travelers from China, disregarding an earlier commitment to act in unity.

Italy — where the pandemic first exacted a heavy toll in Europe in early 2020 — was the first EU member to require coronavirus tests for airline passengers coming from China, but France and Spain quickly followed with their own measures. That followed the imposition by the U.S. of a requirement that all passengers from China show a negative test result obtained in the previous 48 hours before departure.

China has warned of “countermeasures” if such policies were to be imposed across the bloc.

Still, World Health Organization head Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Wednesday he was concerned about the lack of outbreak data from the Chinese government.

China has sought to get more of its elderly population vaccinated, but those efforts have been hampered by past scandals involving fake medications and previous warnings about adverse reactions to the vaccines among older people.

China's domestically developed vaccines are also considered less effective than the mRNA jabs used elsewhere.

So China has Vaxing problems and theirs do not work as effectively.

This has been going on for a few weeks now, if it's as bad as the first surge we should start seeing crazy shit around now across the globe.

static111

23scidoo said:

lastexitlondon said:

I dont think lies are being told  . With each day comes  more actual factual information and im keen to learn from what is happening  

Iit has been proven that we were lied to..

I would like to see the proof.  I'm not doubting you, but every time someone tries to share something like this with me, upon follow up it usually ends up being some info taken out of context. 

HughFreakingDillon

static111 said:

23scidoo said:

lastexitlondon said:

I dont think lies are being told  . With each day comes  more actual factual information and im keen to learn from what is happening  

Iit has been proven that we were lied to..

I would like to see the proof.  I'm not doubting you, but every time someone tries to share something like this with me, upon follow up it usually ends up being some info taken out of context. 

or they just back up and say "I don't want to be attacked". I have yet to see any proof that there was lying. And I've looked. 

23scidoo

static111 said:

23scidoo said:

lastexitlondon said:

I dont think lies are being told  . With each day comes  more actual factual information and im keen to learn from what is happening  

Iit has been proven that we were lied to..

I would like to see the proof.  I'm not doubting you, but every time someone tries to share something like this with me, upon follow up it usually ends up being some info taken out of context. 

Don't tell me you still believe the ''bαt'' theory??

HughFreakingDillon

23scidoo said:

static111 said:

23scidoo said:

lastexitlondon said:

I dont think lies are being told  . With each day comes  more actual factual information and im keen to learn from what is happening  

Iit has been proven that we were lied to..

I would like to see the proof.  I'm not doubting you, but every time someone tries to share something like this with me, upon follow up it usually ends up being some info taken out of context. 

Don't tell me you still believe the ''bαt'' theory??

let's take a step back here a moment. you have no problems believing aliens exist and have visited us, but you have a problem with a perfectly plausible explanation based on scientific facts of it happening several times in the past? zoonotic diseases, anyone? 

was it a lab leak? maybe
was it the wet market? also maybe. 

the signs now point to the first being the more likely scenario. But initially there was no reason to believe it was. especially since China isn't exactly transparent with any information towards the outside world. 

and the people going so far as to believe that fauci had a hand in this, and it was intentional. um. haha. 

23scidoo

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

static111 said:

23scidoo said:

lastexitlondon said:

I dont think lies are being told  . With each day comes  more actual factual information and im keen to learn from what is happening  

Iit has been proven that we were lied to..

I would like to see the proof.  I'm not doubting you, but every time someone tries to share something like this with me, upon follow up it usually ends up being some info taken out of context. 

Don't tell me you still believe the ''bαt'' theory??

let's take a step back here a moment. you have no problems believing aliens exist and have visited us, but you have a problem with a perfectly plausible explanation based on scientific facts of it happening several times in the past? zoonotic diseases, anyone? 

was it a lab leak? maybe
was it the wet market? also maybe. 

the signs now point to the first being the more likely scenario. But initially there was no reason to believe it was. especially since China isn't exactly transparent with any information towards the outside world. 

and the people going so far as to believe that fauci had a hand in this, and it was intentional. um. haha. 

i can't understand you..
zoonotic diseases
lab leak
wet market
please decide..

lastexitlondon

Lab leak yes.
I have no idea about politics.