The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

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  • brianlux
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    JB16057 said:
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    ^^^ Interesting conversation, JB and tn'g. 
    I lived in Sequim from around 1989 to 1993 and the whole Dungeness Valley area has tremendous views of the Olympic Mountains.  At that time, the logging only took place in the lower elevations of the mountains on U.S. Forest lands (and I hope that's still the case).  Nevertheless, it was really a drag watching these giant clear cuts being slashed into the slopes.  I use paper, I have pencils, etc., so I would be a hypocrite to say I'm against logging (although logging could be hugely reduced by growing hemp instead), but there are less invasive ways to log that even to this day are not always followed.  I swear, sometimes it seemed to me that the logging in the lower Olympic mountains was carried out by trolls.  One time there was a huge clear-cut made in the shape of a question mark.  My thought was, "Well, OK, wtf is with that?"  
    I spent a lot of free time at the Railroad Bridge Park that crosses the Dungeness Rive and don't recall that river having a lot of silt blockage or debris.  I wonder if that has begun to change? 
    Such a beautiful area.  I'm sorry to hear there are these issues going on there.
    Sequim is a beautiful city and area. I understand the need to log for both the products we use and how it can be beneficial to the environment. The local logging companies around here are just going to town. I have a friend that is surrounded by the US Forest lands. They are going through and clear cutting a ton of trees. Nowadays they don't have to cut the trees down with chainsaws by hand. They have those big machines that grab the trees and cut them. They can demolish a whole forest in a day. The whole situation is really sad because they should be looking into the less invasive ways of logging but money always corrupts.


    That's very sad to hear.  What's particularly frustrating is that I'm told much of that lumber is not even used for domestic purposes but instead is shipped out of the country.  Selling off our forests for profit seems like a hugely unwise idea.
    Positive is our forests are overgrown and come drought season can burn down very easily.

    Negative is Loggers are there to cut down trees, not worry about environmental impacts.

    Another downfall is if you don't replant.  Cut down one and plant 2, then weed them out so you get good growth spurts.

    Forest management (I have issues with that term because we are so arrogant as to think we can manage nature better that nature can) seems to vary from place to place.  I haven't kept up on things up there enough to say how it is now, but Washington has had some terrible management in the past.  I remember one time seeing a U.S. Forest Service sign on a road leading into the rain forest area in the western Olympics that was "revised" from saying "Managed Forest" to "Manged Forest".  There was a thin strip of evergreens all along the road but beyond that facade, utter forest devastation. 
    Forrest management was done by the native Americans quite successfully for years.  Aborigines would do control burns to prevent massive wild fires.

    I have said we should learn or take a page from their books or hire them to continue the practice.

    Trees that are on top of each other and grow like thickets aren't very productive forests to me.  I am open to a conversation about them.

    I am also for cutting and replanting .

    Good point.  Malcolm Margolin talks about this in his book about Bay Area native Americans, The Ohlone Way and the descriptions given be early European visitors to the area that Margolin dug up gives a clear image of how well balance ecosystems were her out west in those days long ago.  The differences in the picture the author paints for us as to what the ecosystems looked like here a mere 175 to 200 years ago as compared to today is overwhelming.
    The indigenous tribes did do some control burning and what also helped was that fires in the Sierras started by lightning were not suppressed and so naturally allowed fires to sweep through underbrush often enough to keep a good balance. 
    Everything got thrown off out here after Europeans moved in and proliferation to the point of overpopulation.  The indigenous peoples had very stable and reasonable population numbers.
    They more than anyone understood sustainability.  If you hunt/fish it all out then it won't return.

    I am reminded of the part in Lord of the Bushwillies(Flies) when they kill the momma boar.  They now left all the piglets to die without momma to take care of them.

    Exactly!  Is as though they had a natural inborn sense of maintaining balance heightened by learned experience. 
    I am very big on conservation.  My family will ask "why" i threw it back or let it go.  I explain that there are rules and regulations for a reason and if everyone breaks them there won't be anything left for me to catch at all...

    Excellent!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Instead of focusing so much on fools who lure us so frequently with their nonsense, it's refreshing to see words in the news like these by true heroes like Terry Tempest Williams:


    Terry Tempest Williams

    What my body knows

    The story my body wants to tell is that my body and the body of Earth are One.

    Our power and the power of Earth are intrinsically bound in generosity and regeneration, not scarcity and sacrifice. Renewal, abundance, retreat and restoration are the seasons within us.

    But we forget what real power looks like – because the power of the patriarchy has disguised what hurts us as what we deserve. The assaults on my body are akin to the assaults wounding the body of Earth, but I am human and that alone makes me complicit in the degradation and sacrilege of Nature. Atonement is possible.

    The story my body wants to tell is that she is tired.

    She is tired of running on fumes, the same fumes killing the planet by burning coal and oil and gas. The story of my body is exhaustion. Am I listening? She is telling me that the energy I count on is a false energy, a lie sputtering from the flames of sheer will, fear and illusion.

    The story my body wants to tell is that she is grieving.

    She is sick from not being heard, or seen, or cared for, while I am taking care of everyone else except my own beloved body, my one and only body – flesh of my flesh called Earth.

    My body understands I take her for granted, and why wouldn’t I? We are conditioned, as women, to believe there is divine purpose in busyness and distraction – forgetting ourselves, forgetting the soul-needs of our children: the soil, the air, savannas and forests, wetlands and oceans. My body is my collaborator, whether I think about her or not. She continues to construct my health and wellbeing in the blood and bones of my body, even as my nervous system registers danger and adrenal glands sound the alarm. Every muscle and organ is inflamed with the heartache of this burning world.

    The story my body wants to tell is a warning.

    Our bodies and the body of Earth are changing quickly, alchemically, through the violence of climate collapse. We are supporting a collective death by suicide. But our indigenous sisters, like the Women of Bears Ears, mentors in the red rock desert of southern Utah, are committed to “the rematriation of Mother Earth”, bringing forth harmony and wholeness from the wisdom and ceremonies passed on to them through generations. New rituals tapping the hearts of women worldwide are being born commensurate with this moment. Our ancestors are with us. With our hands on the Earth, we will know what to do. Earth care is self-care.

    The story my body wants to tell is a story of love.

    It is time to lay our bodies down on the Mother and defend her creation – we breathe – we breathe ourselves back into the insistence of Beauty. Our tears will fall as rain in the desert, in sorrow and relief. We will rise, drenched in joy, and lead. Our bodies on Earth, of Earth, for Earth will be fearless – keening and singing, chanting and dancing, circling the planet in defiance and prayer, as our stay against extinction, both human and wild. We locate the pulse that refuses to cease – because what my body knows is: life follows life.

    Terry Tempest Williams is a writer, conservationist and activist





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  • mickeyrat
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    Green New Deal? Imagine that? Fucking AOC.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:
    They just started building the infrastructure for windmills off our coast here on Long Island a few weeks ago.  This obviously wasn't part of the current deal that went through.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Journey to the Center of the Earth, anyone? Seems like it might possibly split the earth in two but who knows, maybe we'll all become Mole People? Crazy.

    In an effort to ease fossil-fuel reliance, an MIT spinoff plans to dig the deepest holes on Earth

    By David Abel Globe Staff,Updated March 18, 2022, 8:49 a.m.

    Miles below ground, where pressures are intense and temperatures far exceed the boiling point of water, dense layers of super-hot rocks offer the promise of a natural, inexhaustible supply of clean energy.

    Environmentalists have long dreamed of a way to reach those depths to tap the potential geothermal energy in those rocks, but the technological and financial barriers have been too great.

    Now, officials at an MIT spinoff say they believe they’ve figured out how to drill as deep as 12 miles into the Earth’s crust, using a special laser that they say is powerful enough to blast through granite and basalt.

    In the coming years, Quaise Energy, named for a section of Nantucket, plans to dig some of the deepest boreholes in history to reach rocks that can exceed temperatures of 1,000 degrees and surface a kind of heavy steam that has the potential to provide enormous quantities of energy. By the end of the decade, their hope is to capture the steam and use it to run turbines at power plants.

    “By drilling deeper, hotter, and faster than ever before possible, Quaise aspires to provide abundant and reliable clean energy for all humanity,” said Carlos Araque, a former MIT student and employee, whose new company has raised $63 million to prove its technology. “This could provide a path to energy independence for every nation and enable a rapid transition off fossil fuels.”

    Like nuclear fusion, a perennially elusive effort to harness the energy that powers stars, deep geothermal wells have long been viewed as a panacea for those hoping to displace our dependence on oil and gas with the energy from super-hot rocks. Shallower geothermal wells, which rely on the consistent heat underground, have long been a source of energy.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/18/science/an-effort-rid-world-fossil-fuels-an-mit-spinoff-plans-dig-deepest-holes-earth/


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  • tempo_n_groove
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    A few billion dollar land lease was passed last month for offshore turbines here in NY/NJ.
  • mickeyrat
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    Journey to the Center of the Earth, anyone? Seems like it might possibly split the earth in two but who knows, maybe we'll all become Mole People? Crazy.

    In an effort to ease fossil-fuel reliance, an MIT spinoff plans to dig the deepest holes on Earth

    By David Abel Globe Staff,Updated March 18, 2022, 8:49 a.m.

    Miles below ground, where pressures are intense and temperatures far exceed the boiling point of water, dense layers of super-hot rocks offer the promise of a natural, inexhaustible supply of clean energy.

    Environmentalists have long dreamed of a way to reach those depths to tap the potential geothermal energy in those rocks, but the technological and financial barriers have been too great.

    Now, officials at an MIT spinoff say they believe they’ve figured out how to drill as deep as 12 miles into the Earth’s crust, using a special laser that they say is powerful enough to blast through granite and basalt.

    In the coming years, Quaise Energy, named for a section of Nantucket, plans to dig some of the deepest boreholes in history to reach rocks that can exceed temperatures of 1,000 degrees and surface a kind of heavy steam that has the potential to provide enormous quantities of energy. By the end of the decade, their hope is to capture the steam and use it to run turbines at power plants.

    “By drilling deeper, hotter, and faster than ever before possible, Quaise aspires to provide abundant and reliable clean energy for all humanity,” said Carlos Araque, a former MIT student and employee, whose new company has raised $63 million to prove its technology. “This could provide a path to energy independence for every nation and enable a rapid transition off fossil fuels.”

    Like nuclear fusion, a perennially elusive effort to harness the energy that powers stars, deep geothermal wells have long been viewed as a panacea for those hoping to displace our dependence on oil and gas with the energy from super-hot rocks. Shallower geothermal wells, which rely on the consistent heat underground, have long been a source of energy.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/18/science/an-effort-rid-world-fossil-fuels-an-mit-spinoff-plans-dig-deepest-holes-earth/



    ok, have a basic understanding of its benefits. first question, what could go wrong? what if enough of these holes are drilled, the redulting release fundamentally alters that system underground, then what,
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    Journey to the Center of the Earth, anyone? Seems like it might possibly split the earth in two but who knows, maybe we'll all become Mole People? Crazy.

    In an effort to ease fossil-fuel reliance, an MIT spinoff plans to dig the deepest holes on Earth

    By David Abel Globe Staff,Updated March 18, 2022, 8:49 a.m.

    Miles below ground, where pressures are intense and temperatures far exceed the boiling point of water, dense layers of super-hot rocks offer the promise of a natural, inexhaustible supply of clean energy.

    Environmentalists have long dreamed of a way to reach those depths to tap the potential geothermal energy in those rocks, but the technological and financial barriers have been too great.

    Now, officials at an MIT spinoff say they believe they’ve figured out how to drill as deep as 12 miles into the Earth’s crust, using a special laser that they say is powerful enough to blast through granite and basalt.

    In the coming years, Quaise Energy, named for a section of Nantucket, plans to dig some of the deepest boreholes in history to reach rocks that can exceed temperatures of 1,000 degrees and surface a kind of heavy steam that has the potential to provide enormous quantities of energy. By the end of the decade, their hope is to capture the steam and use it to run turbines at power plants.

    “By drilling deeper, hotter, and faster than ever before possible, Quaise aspires to provide abundant and reliable clean energy for all humanity,” said Carlos Araque, a former MIT student and employee, whose new company has raised $63 million to prove its technology. “This could provide a path to energy independence for every nation and enable a rapid transition off fossil fuels.”

    Like nuclear fusion, a perennially elusive effort to harness the energy that powers stars, deep geothermal wells have long been viewed as a panacea for those hoping to displace our dependence on oil and gas with the energy from super-hot rocks. Shallower geothermal wells, which rely on the consistent heat underground, have long been a source of energy.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/18/science/an-effort-rid-world-fossil-fuels-an-mit-spinoff-plans-dig-deepest-holes-earth/



    ok, have a basic understanding of its benefits. first question, what could go wrong? what if enough of these holes are drilled, the redulting release fundamentally alters that system underground, then what,
    From what I can gather, earthquakes are one downside. But yea, uncharted territory and who knows? Break the earth in two?
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  • mickeyrat
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    mickeyrat said:
    Journey to the Center of the Earth, anyone? Seems like it might possibly split the earth in two but who knows, maybe we'll all become Mole People? Crazy.

    In an effort to ease fossil-fuel reliance, an MIT spinoff plans to dig the deepest holes on Earth

    By David Abel Globe Staff,Updated March 18, 2022, 8:49 a.m.

    Miles below ground, where pressures are intense and temperatures far exceed the boiling point of water, dense layers of super-hot rocks offer the promise of a natural, inexhaustible supply of clean energy.

    Environmentalists have long dreamed of a way to reach those depths to tap the potential geothermal energy in those rocks, but the technological and financial barriers have been too great.

    Now, officials at an MIT spinoff say they believe they’ve figured out how to drill as deep as 12 miles into the Earth’s crust, using a special laser that they say is powerful enough to blast through granite and basalt.

    In the coming years, Quaise Energy, named for a section of Nantucket, plans to dig some of the deepest boreholes in history to reach rocks that can exceed temperatures of 1,000 degrees and surface a kind of heavy steam that has the potential to provide enormous quantities of energy. By the end of the decade, their hope is to capture the steam and use it to run turbines at power plants.

    “By drilling deeper, hotter, and faster than ever before possible, Quaise aspires to provide abundant and reliable clean energy for all humanity,” said Carlos Araque, a former MIT student and employee, whose new company has raised $63 million to prove its technology. “This could provide a path to energy independence for every nation and enable a rapid transition off fossil fuels.”

    Like nuclear fusion, a perennially elusive effort to harness the energy that powers stars, deep geothermal wells have long been viewed as a panacea for those hoping to displace our dependence on oil and gas with the energy from super-hot rocks. Shallower geothermal wells, which rely on the consistent heat underground, have long been a source of energy.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/18/science/an-effort-rid-world-fossil-fuels-an-mit-spinoff-plans-dig-deepest-holes-earth/



    ok, have a basic understanding of its benefits. first question, what could go wrong? what if enough of these holes are drilled, the redulting release fundamentally alters that system underground, then what,
    From what I can gather, earthquakes are one downside. But yea, uncharted territory and who knows? Break the earth in two?

    initial thought is that heat + steam trapped for a purpose, release it?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Journey to the Center of the Earth, anyone? Seems like it might possibly split the earth in two but who knows, maybe we'll all become Mole People? Crazy.

    In an effort to ease fossil-fuel reliance, an MIT spinoff plans to dig the deepest holes on Earth

    By David Abel Globe Staff,Updated March 18, 2022, 8:49 a.m.

    Miles below ground, where pressures are intense and temperatures far exceed the boiling point of water, dense layers of super-hot rocks offer the promise of a natural, inexhaustible supply of clean energy.

    Environmentalists have long dreamed of a way to reach those depths to tap the potential geothermal energy in those rocks, but the technological and financial barriers have been too great.

    Now, officials at an MIT spinoff say they believe they’ve figured out how to drill as deep as 12 miles into the Earth’s crust, using a special laser that they say is powerful enough to blast through granite and basalt.

    In the coming years, Quaise Energy, named for a section of Nantucket, plans to dig some of the deepest boreholes in history to reach rocks that can exceed temperatures of 1,000 degrees and surface a kind of heavy steam that has the potential to provide enormous quantities of energy. By the end of the decade, their hope is to capture the steam and use it to run turbines at power plants.

    “By drilling deeper, hotter, and faster than ever before possible, Quaise aspires to provide abundant and reliable clean energy for all humanity,” said Carlos Araque, a former MIT student and employee, whose new company has raised $63 million to prove its technology. “This could provide a path to energy independence for every nation and enable a rapid transition off fossil fuels.”

    Like nuclear fusion, a perennially elusive effort to harness the energy that powers stars, deep geothermal wells have long been viewed as a panacea for those hoping to displace our dependence on oil and gas with the energy from super-hot rocks. Shallower geothermal wells, which rely on the consistent heat underground, have long been a source of energy.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/18/science/an-effort-rid-world-fossil-fuels-an-mit-spinoff-plans-dig-deepest-holes-earth/



    ok, have a basic understanding of its benefits. first question, what could go wrong? what if enough of these holes are drilled, the redulting release fundamentally alters that system underground, then what,
    From what I can gather, earthquakes are one downside. But yea, uncharted territory and who knows? Break the earth in two?

    initial thought is that heat + steam trapped for a purpose, release it?
    I thought the schematic in the article illustrated water being pumped down, heated to steam to run turbines and the condensate being returned to be reheated? I didn’t think they were venting steam to be used as it was just high intensity heat.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    mickeyrat said:
    Journey to the Center of the Earth, anyone? Seems like it might possibly split the earth in two but who knows, maybe we'll all become Mole People? Crazy.

    In an effort to ease fossil-fuel reliance, an MIT spinoff plans to dig the deepest holes on Earth

    By David Abel Globe Staff,Updated March 18, 2022, 8:49 a.m.

    Miles below ground, where pressures are intense and temperatures far exceed the boiling point of water, dense layers of super-hot rocks offer the promise of a natural, inexhaustible supply of clean energy.

    Environmentalists have long dreamed of a way to reach those depths to tap the potential geothermal energy in those rocks, but the technological and financial barriers have been too great.

    Now, officials at an MIT spinoff say they believe they’ve figured out how to drill as deep as 12 miles into the Earth’s crust, using a special laser that they say is powerful enough to blast through granite and basalt.

    In the coming years, Quaise Energy, named for a section of Nantucket, plans to dig some of the deepest boreholes in history to reach rocks that can exceed temperatures of 1,000 degrees and surface a kind of heavy steam that has the potential to provide enormous quantities of energy. By the end of the decade, their hope is to capture the steam and use it to run turbines at power plants.

    “By drilling deeper, hotter, and faster than ever before possible, Quaise aspires to provide abundant and reliable clean energy for all humanity,” said Carlos Araque, a former MIT student and employee, whose new company has raised $63 million to prove its technology. “This could provide a path to energy independence for every nation and enable a rapid transition off fossil fuels.”

    Like nuclear fusion, a perennially elusive effort to harness the energy that powers stars, deep geothermal wells have long been viewed as a panacea for those hoping to displace our dependence on oil and gas with the energy from super-hot rocks. Shallower geothermal wells, which rely on the consistent heat underground, have long been a source of energy.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/18/science/an-effort-rid-world-fossil-fuels-an-mit-spinoff-plans-dig-deepest-holes-earth/



    ok, have a basic understanding of its benefits. first question, what could go wrong? what if enough of these holes are drilled, the redulting release fundamentally alters that system underground, then what,
    So they do geothermal heating already.  It's a hole drilled on an angle and works like a straw to heat or cool a house.  It would be neat if they could figure a way to do that for homes in the suburbs.

    These bigger cities would benefit from the deeper holes it would seem.
  • Lerxst1992
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    So if we are lucky geothermal could be ready by 2112? 

    In the meantime we in the US make bad heating/energy decisions that do more harm than good.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    So if we are lucky geothermal could be ready by 2112? 

    In the meantime we in the US make bad heating/energy decisions that do more harm than good.
    Seems maybe it’ll be ready in 6 years. From the article:

    With $40 million raised just last month, he vows his company will complete a prototype of its drilling machines within two years, prove it can dig miles-deep boreholes two years later somewhere on the West Coast, and build a power plant by 2028.
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  • mickeyrat
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    So if we are lucky geothermal could be ready by 2112? 

    In the meantime we in the US make bad heating/energy decisions that do more harm than good.
    Seems maybe it’ll be ready in 6 years. From the article:

    With $40 million raised just last month, he vows his company will complete a prototype of its drilling machines within two years, prove it can dig miles-deep boreholes two years later somewhere on the West Coast, and build a power plant by 2028.

    oh man. so many fault lines.......
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  • JB16057
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    mickeyrat said:
    So if we are lucky geothermal could be ready by 2112? 

    In the meantime we in the US make bad heating/energy decisions that do more harm than good.
    Seems maybe it’ll be ready in 6 years. From the article:

    With $40 million raised just last month, he vows his company will complete a prototype of its drilling machines within two years, prove it can dig miles-deep boreholes two years later somewhere on the West Coast, and build a power plant by 2028.

    oh man. so many fault lines.......
    I agree. This doesn't seem like a good idea. I am not an expert in this field but this seems as crazy and dangerous as fracking. There are too many unknowns and once we break something, we won't be able to fix it.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    So if we are lucky geothermal could be ready by 2112? 

    In the meantime we in the US make bad heating/energy decisions that do more harm than good.
    Seems maybe it’ll be ready in 6 years. From the article:

    With $40 million raised just last month, he vows his company will complete a prototype of its drilling machines within two years, prove it can dig miles-deep boreholes two years later somewhere on the West Coast, and build a power plant by 2028.

    oh man. so many fault lines.......
    I agree. This doesn't seem like a good idea. I am not an expert in this field but this seems as crazy and dangerous as fracking. There are too many unknowns and once we break something, we won't be able to fix it.
    They would have to shore the hole.   An open hole not reinforced is just a recipe for disaster.

    Look, they have done small scale geothermal before.  Sweden or Norway puts it's Co2 back in the ground so we have things in place that resemble this.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JB16057 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    So if we are lucky geothermal could be ready by 2112? 

    In the meantime we in the US make bad heating/energy decisions that do more harm than good.
    Seems maybe it’ll be ready in 6 years. From the article:

    With $40 million raised just last month, he vows his company will complete a prototype of its drilling machines within two years, prove it can dig miles-deep boreholes two years later somewhere on the West Coast, and build a power plant by 2028.

    oh man. so many fault lines.......
    I agree. This doesn't seem like a good idea. I am not an expert in this field but this seems as crazy and dangerous as fracking. There are too many unknowns and once we break something, we won't be able to fix it.
    You mean like the climate? Maybe the west coast is the wrong location but continuing to rely on fossil fuels is also crazy and dangerous. Personally, I believe it’s too late. I may just live long enough to witness the end of life on earth as we know it.
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    Although as we all know, local weather is not an indicator of global climate, but I can't help but feel wary of the sense I get from the west coast weather this year.  Since very early in January we have had very little rain (maybe and inch total) and it feels like summer- low 80's here in the foothills.  Not too many years ago, we were snowed in for three days around this time date, and in my 26 years here in El Dorado County, we have had the traditional annual "snow on the dogwood" late winter/ early spring snow.  Very doubtful this year.  Crazy.
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