The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).

cblock4life

I can’t imagine watching/reading about this and not believing this is real.  I cried the entire time I watched it last night then cried more today when I found out there were 1.8 million in donations to the World Food Program raised in 24 hours to help feed these children.  The bad, the good, it’s all very heart wrenching. 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/madagascar-verge-climate-change-induced-famine/story?id=80857410

cblock4life

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Oh, if only it were so easy!

Some friends of ours recently got an electric car, a Hyundai Kona.  I was a bit shocked when they said it cast a little over $42,000.  Whoa!  It does have some extra bells and whistles but still, I wonder how many people are going to be able to afford to change over to electric when are no other choices nay more?

And how much will these electric cars actually help?  Honest question.  I have concerns.  Is all this electricity needed to charge million upon millions of electric cars going to come from clean energy sources?  What about all the mining for rare earths minerals that are used in the batteries?  Will the electric car actually reduce global warming?  I have to ask!

I’ve maintained that electric cars will always be a small percentage of the market…just to expensive.  Banning the sale of ICE vehicles are just a pie in the sky idea dreamed up by activist politicians.  In Canada idiot PM thinks he can ban ICE by 2035…lmfao…more and more people will just invest their money in fixing up and restoring ICE vehicles.

Then there is this little problem of recharging them while on the go…I’ve driven out west through norther Ontario…you can go long stretches between gas stations.  

My father worked 35 years for Ontario hydro…he doubts the grid could handle mass amounts of vehicles needing recharged every night.  

I’m more excited for the hydrogen fuel cell.  And Toyota is focused on that more than electric.  I’d like to see where that goes.

But at the end of the day every single thing we do as humans impact the environment…and until people wake up and realize there are just way too many of us.  Obviously it’s hard to control the population, but our government can be smarter about immigration.

We can’t even figure out how to recycle?  So personally I think we are past the point of no return…

All we can do is prepare, maybe watch Waterworld to get some tips on living on water…hehehe.

This all makes sense to me (and thanks for the info). 

There are something like 275 million cars in the U.S. alone.  Imagine the power grid trying to handle all that!  And where does all that power come from?  Cover the deserts with solar panels... which are mostly plastic, which is oil... and they only last about, what?, 15 years?

Car crazy America, is how one author puts it.  There's just no way it's gonna happen.  Even hydrogen fuel cell cars.  275 million cars in the U.S.  Add another 25 million cars in Canada and 50 million in Mexico.  Now were up to 350 million cars in North America alone, and those figure are from 2019 so probably closer to 375 or 400 million vehicles.  And what about all those private and commercial planes and motor boats and jet skies and lawn mowers and holy fuck knows what else uses gas and/ or electricty.  Where does all the stuff come from to make these things?  All the metal and plastic?  All the heavy metals and rare earths for computers and batteries?  Mines where all the trees have been stripped! 

Car crazy world is... well... crazy!

Too many people?  Yep!  Bingo again, man, you got it.  When will we start talking about that?  No one seems to want to talk about that!

Oh, and Waterword.  That movie got panned but I liked it!

Me too!  Still watch it if it’s on. Not enough to buy or rent though 

brianlux

cblock4life said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

Oh, if only it were so easy!

Some friends of ours recently got an electric car, a Hyundai Kona.  I was a bit shocked when they said it cast a little over $42,000.  Whoa!  It does have some extra bells and whistles but still, I wonder how many people are going to be able to afford to change over to electric when are no other choices nay more?

And how much will these electric cars actually help?  Honest question.  I have concerns.  Is all this electricity needed to charge million upon millions of electric cars going to come from clean energy sources?  What about all the mining for rare earths minerals that are used in the batteries?  Will the electric car actually reduce global warming?  I have to ask!

I’ve maintained that electric cars will always be a small percentage of the market…just to expensive.  Banning the sale of ICE vehicles are just a pie in the sky idea dreamed up by activist politicians.  In Canada idiot PM thinks he can ban ICE by 2035…lmfao…more and more people will just invest their money in fixing up and restoring ICE vehicles.

Then there is this little problem of recharging them while on the go…I’ve driven out west through norther Ontario…you can go long stretches between gas stations.  

My father worked 35 years for Ontario hydro…he doubts the grid could handle mass amounts of vehicles needing recharged every night.  

I’m more excited for the hydrogen fuel cell.  And Toyota is focused on that more than electric.  I’d like to see where that goes.

But at the end of the day every single thing we do as humans impact the environment…and until people wake up and realize there are just way too many of us.  Obviously it’s hard to control the population, but our government can be smarter about immigration.

We can’t even figure out how to recycle?  So personally I think we are past the point of no return…

All we can do is prepare, maybe watch Waterworld to get some tips on living on water…hehehe.

This all makes sense to me (and thanks for the info). 

There are something like 275 million cars in the U.S. alone.  Imagine the power grid trying to handle all that!  And where does all that power come from?  Cover the deserts with solar panels... which are mostly plastic, which is oil... and they only last about, what?, 15 years?

Car crazy America, is how one author puts it.  There's just no way it's gonna happen.  Even hydrogen fuel cell cars.  275 million cars in the U.S.  Add another 25 million cars in Canada and 50 million in Mexico.  Now were up to 350 million cars in North America alone, and those figure are from 2019 so probably closer to 375 or 400 million vehicles.  And what about all those private and commercial planes and motor boats and jet skies and lawn mowers and holy fuck knows what else uses gas and/ or electricty.  Where does all the stuff come from to make these things?  All the metal and plastic?  All the heavy metals and rare earths for computers and batteries?  Mines where all the trees have been stripped! 

Car crazy world is... well... crazy!

Too many people?  Yep!  Bingo again, man, you got it.  When will we start talking about that?  No one seems to want to talk about that!

Oh, and Waterword.  That movie got panned but I liked it!

Me too!  Still watch it if it’s on. Not enough to buy or rent though 

Very cool!  Now if I could just spell correctly.   

brianlux

cblock4life said:

I can’t imagine watching/reading about this and not believing this is real.  I cried the entire time I watched it last night then cried more today when I found out there were 1.8 million in donations to the World Food Program raised in 24 hours to help feed these children.  The bad, the good, it’s all very heart wrenching. 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/madagascar-verge-climate-change-induced-famine/story?id=80857410

Oh man, terribly sad. 
As I said earlier, I don't think money alone will solve the problem.  But those kids are starving and without guilt.  Do you or anyone know of an agency that collects funds to help these people- an agency that does not pocket an exorbitant amount for their own infrastructure and over-pay their top people?  I'd like to know because we still have tithing money to disburse for environmental and social issues before the end of the year. We're always happy to do that.
Thanks for suggestions.

tempo_n_groove

Interesting article about solar panels mixed in with crops.  It saves the crops from having to use so much water.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1054942590/solar-energy-colorado-garden-farm-land

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

Interesting article about solar panels mixed in with crops.  It saves the crops from having to use so much water.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1054942590/solar-energy-colorado-garden-farm-land

Interesting!  That is SO much better an option than placing the panel on fragile desert ecosystems.  Good job, farmers!

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Interesting article about solar panels mixed in with crops.  It saves the crops from having to use so much water.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1054942590/solar-energy-colorado-garden-farm-land

Interesting!  That is SO much better an option than placing the panel on fragile desert ecosystems.  Good job, farmers!

It really is amazing how much more efficient the crops and water are in this situation, AND you are making renewable energy!

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Interesting article about solar panels mixed in with crops.  It saves the crops from having to use so much water.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1054942590/solar-energy-colorado-garden-farm-land

Interesting!  That is SO much better an option than placing the panel on fragile desert ecosystems.  Good job, farmers!

It really is amazing how much more efficient the crops and water are in this situation, AND you are making renewable energy!

Win/ win!

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Interesting article about solar panels mixed in with crops.  It saves the crops from having to use so much water.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1054942590/solar-energy-colorado-garden-farm-land

Interesting!  That is SO much better an option than placing the panel on fragile desert ecosystems.  Good job, farmers!

It really is amazing how much more efficient the crops and water are in this situation, AND you are making renewable energy!

Win/ win!

It's my good news for the day.

There was another article that talked about fixing the way we transfer water and I thought of you.  When I have time I'll try and find it to post as I remember you talking about wanting to move water across the states to areas that are lacking.

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Interesting article about solar panels mixed in with crops.  It saves the crops from having to use so much water.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1054942590/solar-energy-colorado-garden-farm-land

Interesting!  That is SO much better an option than placing the panel on fragile desert ecosystems.  Good job, farmers!

It really is amazing how much more efficient the crops and water are in this situation, AND you are making renewable energy!

Win/ win!

It's my good news for the day.

There was another article that talked about fixing the way we transfer water and I thought of you.  When I have time I'll try and find it to post as I remember you talking about wanting to move water across the states to areas that are lacking.

Great- will look for it.

mickeyrat

ummmmm......

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/blizzard-warning-issued-hawaii-least-202000069.html

A blizzard warning has been issued for Hawaii, with at least 12 inches of snow forecast this weekend.  The warning is in effect for the Big Island summits from...

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

ummmmm......

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/blizzard-warning-issued-hawaii-least-202000069.html

A blizzard warning has been issued for Hawaii, with at least 12 inches of snow forecast this weekend.  The warning is in effect for the Big Island summits from...

From the article:  "A blizzard warning for tropical Hawaii may come as a surprise, but snow is not uncommon; the summits of the Big Island's Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa volcanoes reach nearly 14,000 feet in elevation."

My wife's business partner and friend of many years lived of the Island of Hawaii ("the big island") a long time ago and she says snow on the mountain summits was no uncommon.  I was surprised to hear that until finding out how high some of the summits are.  But yeah, "snow in Hawaii" does have a strange ring to it!

Meltdown99

SELF-DRIVING CAR KEEPS DRIVING ITSELF BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL OWNER

https://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/183082/self-driving-car-keeps-driving-itself-back-to-its-original-owner/

mickeyrat

  https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2021/mexico-fertilizer-nitrous-oxide-emissions/

hedonist

Meltdown99 said:

SELF-DRIVING CAR KEEPS DRIVING ITSELF BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL OWNER

https://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/183082/self-driving-car-keeps-driving-itself-back-to-its-original-owner/

I find this hilarious…though I do feel for those two. 

(there’s really a “Tezlo”?)

tempo_n_groove

Chile is going through a Constitutional convention right now and are going to rewrite their constitution.

In it they are going to put in place rules about not destroying the country for the future and for the indigenous.  That has a lot of promise to it.

Chile is one of the leading miners of Lithium and the demand for Lithium batteries has climbed over the years.

This will be an ongoing project and I am interested on what they come up with.

static111

tempo_n_groove said:

Chile is going through a Constitutional convention right now and are going to rewrite their constitution.

In it they are going to put in place rules about not destroying the country for the future and for the indigenous.  That has a lot of promise to it.

Chile is one of the leading miners of Lithium and the demand for Lithium batteries has climbed over the years.

This will be an ongoing project and I am interested on what they come up with.

Likely they will come up with a US Govt backed coup to keep the EV batteries flowing.

tempo_n_groove

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Chile is going through a Constitutional convention right now and are going to rewrite their constitution.

In it they are going to put in place rules about not destroying the country for the future and for the indigenous.  That has a lot of promise to it.

Chile is one of the leading miners of Lithium and the demand for Lithium batteries has climbed over the years.

This will be an ongoing project and I am interested on what they come up with.

Likely they will come up with a US Govt backed coup to keep the EV batteries flowing.

150 different people are writing it so that would have to be one hell of a coup.

static111

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Chile is going through a Constitutional convention right now and are going to rewrite their constitution.

In it they are going to put in place rules about not destroying the country for the future and for the indigenous.  That has a lot of promise to it.

Chile is one of the leading miners of Lithium and the demand for Lithium batteries has climbed over the years.

This will be an ongoing project and I am interested on what they come up with.

Likely they will come up with a US Govt backed coup to keep the EV batteries flowing.

150 different people are writing it so that would have to be one hell of a coup.

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-caribbean-ap-top-news-venezuela-honduras-2ded14659982426c9b2552827734be83  lot of historical precedence for us jumping in.  Some for the better some for completely selfish business reasons.

edit: here is more info summarized in wikipedia....note there is even a previous case of US involvement of a previous coup in Chile

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

I know this is supposed to be a hopeful and sensible thread, but I think I am too pessimistic after viewing the behavior of the US for so long.

tempo_n_groove

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

static111 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Chile is going through a Constitutional convention right now and are going to rewrite their constitution.

In it they are going to put in place rules about not destroying the country for the future and for the indigenous.  That has a lot of promise to it.

Chile is one of the leading miners of Lithium and the demand for Lithium batteries has climbed over the years.

This will be an ongoing project and I am interested on what they come up with.

Likely they will come up with a US Govt backed coup to keep the EV batteries flowing.

150 different people are writing it so that would have to be one hell of a coup.

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-caribbean-ap-top-news-venezuela-honduras-2ded14659982426c9b2552827734be83  lot of historical precedence for us jumping in.  Some for the better some for completely selfish business reasons.

edit: here is more info summarized in wikipedia....note there is even a previous case of US involvement of a previous coup in Chile

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

I know this is supposed to be a hopeful and sensible thread, but I think I am too pessimistic after viewing the behavior of the US for so long.

150 people voted by the citizens to change it...  I think the people will get it right.