The all-purpose heavy duty Climate Chaos thread (sprinkled with hope).
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tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Ahh yes, Gold mining towns. We used to seek them out and traverse through the old mines and scavenge. The more barren the better. A lot of those towns still haven't recovered sans some tourism? Virginia City, Jerome, Tombstone and Bisbee are the only ones I can think of that still function where a place like Randsburg and Goler will never see a renaissance.brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.0 -
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.Scio me nihil scire
There are no kings inside the gates of eden0 -
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.0 -
I could support a Democratic Socialist New Deal, for sure!static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.Yes!Yang never had a chance to become president and I sometimes sort of regret some of the money I donated for his campaign, but on the other hand, if it helped get his message out about some of the ideas he has, maybe it wasn't such a bad investment after all!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.Scio me nihil scire
There are no kings inside the gates of eden0 -
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I have heard that about those states up in that area. I was in Iowa a few years back and it happened to be Chadwicks area he lived in. He wrote me a DM and said "dud, how the hell did you manage to be out my way!?!" We chuckled about that.brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.
But I never saw that, nor was I looking for it, in Iowa.
I'm a fan of western PA. 4 seasons, hills and waterways.0 -
How weak do you have to be to avoid an entire state, in case some people may have a different viewpoint than yours? Weirdbrianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.0 -
Out of My Mind and Time said:
How weak do you have to be to avoid an entire state, in case some people may have a different viewpoint than yours? Weirdbrianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.
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now do trumpsters who refuse to go to "shithole, crime riddled, democrat controlled cities". which is false, to boot.Out of My Mind and Time said:
How weak do you have to be to avoid an entire state, in case some people may have a different viewpoint than yours? Weirdbrianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
I have heard that about those states up in that area. I was in Iowa a few years back and it happened to be Chadwicks area he lived in. He wrote me a DM and said "dud, how the hell did you manage to be out my way!?!" We chuckled about that.brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.
But I never saw that, nor was I looking for it, in Iowa.
I'm a fan of western PA. 4 seasons, hills and waterways.Did you get to meet Chadwick? I sure would have loved to.Western NY, oh yeah, for sure! I lived in the Dunkirk/Fredonia area for two years. The seasons, the Concord grape vineyards and apple orchards, lake Erie, the rolling hills- I loved it out there!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:
I could support a Democratic Socialist New Deal, for sure!static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.Yes!Yang never had a chance to become president and I sometimes sort of regret some of the money I donated for his campaign, but on the other hand, if it helped get his message out about some of the ideas he has, maybe it wasn't such a bad investment after all!The renewable jobs are there for the taking in coal country, if they want to build that industry. I’m sure Brandon would open the checkbook to make it happen. Alas, they’d rather torch the planet0 -
Tough transition changing paths of a company, no?Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:
I could support a Democratic Socialist New Deal, for sure!static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.Yes!Yang never had a chance to become president and I sometimes sort of regret some of the money I donated for his campaign, but on the other hand, if it helped get his message out about some of the ideas he has, maybe it wasn't such a bad investment after all!The renewable jobs are there for the taking in coal country, if they want to build that industry. I’m sure Brandon would open the checkbook to make it happen. Alas, they’d rather torch the planet0 -
Out of My Mind and Time said:
How weak do you have to be to avoid an entire state, in case some people may have a different viewpoint than yours? Weirdbrianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.After years and years of calling the libs criminals, owning the libs, hating the libs, intimidating the libs with yer guns and killing our babies with yer assault weapons, let’s just pretend it’s all just a different viewpoint.0 -
Never met Chadwick. I was gone by the time we chatted unfortunately.brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
I have heard that about those states up in that area. I was in Iowa a few years back and it happened to be Chadwicks area he lived in. He wrote me a DM and said "dud, how the hell did you manage to be out my way!?!" We chuckled about that.brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.
But I never saw that, nor was I looking for it, in Iowa.
I'm a fan of western PA. 4 seasons, hills and waterways.Did you get to meet Chadwick? I sure would have loved to.Western NY, oh yeah, for sure! I lived in the Dunkirk/Fredonia area for two years. The seasons, the Concord grape vineyards and apple orchards, lake Erie, the rolling hills- I loved it out there!0 -
LOLLerxst1992 said:How weak do you have to be to avoid an entire state, in case some people may have a different viewpoint than yours? WeirdAfter years and years of calling the libs criminals, owning the libs, hating the libs, intimidating the libs with yer guns and killing our babies with yer assault weapons, let’s just pretend it’s all just a different viewpoint.
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Out of My Mind and Time said:
How weak do you have to be to avoid an entire state, in case some people may have a different viewpoint than yours? Weirdbrianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
We will go on no matter what happens. Hell, if the world goes to shit it's those rural places that I would rather be in.static111 said:
I have seen the future brother, it is murder...tempo_n_groove said:
If you listen to Andrew Yang and the obsolescence of certain jobs it would be wise for America to invest in it's future.static111 said:
Almost like we need a Socialist Green New Deal... A man can dream...brianlux said:tempo_n_groove said:
Mining coal from the topside or underground is still a job though and they have been in a sharp decline looking at those charts.mickeyrat said:
they didnt for the losses stemming from mountain top removal processes that dodnt require the same number of minerstempo_n_groove said:
I hope the coal states have a contingency plan or there will be a whole lot of people unemployed.mickeyrat said:2010 to 2020 mining jobs in the u.s.
If you go out to those mining areas there isn't a whole lot going on usually and the other areas that stopped mining are just dead towns with no life.
Put up some wind turbines in those areas for a shot of life?
I understand for the need to stop burning coal. It's just the areas that they effect are bad off as it is. I think of the old steel areas too. Most of those towns never recovered.I agree that cities that go into poverty because of outsourcing or, in the case of coal, discontinuation, need some kind of help with a recovery plan. I remember passing through downtown Akron, Ohio after the tire industry had moved out. The place was like a ghost town. It was strange and sad.The difference, of course, is that Akron and steel towns like Bethlehem PA, etc. suffered due to corporate greed moving the industry and manufacturing to other countries where they could get cheap slave labor. Coal towns, on the other hand, may die because their industry needs to. What they need is a transition plan. I think that could happen if there is a will to make it happen.There are a number of towns and small cities in California that died when gold mining dried up. Places like Coloma became something close to being ghost towns but eventually recovered through things like tourism and wine country. But that had at least as much to do with luck and local than planning. Hopefully coal town will receive help through good planning.
But seriously we would have to stop with guns and war, proxy or otherwise and I'm not sure that the future will take precedent before it is too late.
You are wise to have experience in both the worlds of urban and rural.
But I would avoid Idaho. I'm told that these days that state is turning into a completely anti-tolerance, anti-anything-close to liberal, major bastion of the hard core right. Sounds a bit scary to me! Too bad, because much of the state is beautiful.
Talk about weird. How weak do you have to be to say I've avoided that state? I've been through Idaho. I have already stated that many parts of it are beautiful. It's then true believer, gun toting, nature hating, women suppressing, ignorant people who are flocking to that area and who want to create a Tumpster paradise I avoid. And it's not "weak" for me to want to avoid them, it's smart. I've known them, I've talked to them. They have proven time and again they are not worth my time. And don't assume I am a bleeding heart liberal either. I act and react to things in ways that make sense to me, not that fit some label.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Out of My Mind and Time said:
LOLLerxst1992 said:How weak do you have to be to avoid an entire state, in case some people may have a different viewpoint than yours? WeirdAfter years and years of calling the libs criminals, owning the libs, hating the libs, intimidating the libs with yer guns and killing our babies with yer assault weapons, let’s just pretend it’s all just a different viewpoint.9We hate the polices and the guns. And the dead children. Y’all hate the libs.
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