HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

this a big deal, and one that many people have been wanting to know:

Health Minister Audrey Gordon says one-third of Manitoba's COVID-19 hospitalizations are because of the virus itself. The other 66% are people who are in hospital for other reasons, but also happen to have COVID-19. That would represent ~300 of the current 454 hospitalizations

so the true number of covid CAUSED hospitalizations is 2/3 lower than what the public has been getting told for the past two years. Not that this means it's not a serious disease (I'm personally terrified of it), but jesus, tell us the truth already. FINALLY. TWO YEARS IN. 

Does this refer to current hospitalizations or to all hospitalizations over the covid pandemic? Because if it refers to the current situation then your first sentence in the second paragraph is likely incorrect. We may never get all of this data but given what appears to be the differential severity of the different variants, it is likely that the covid positive hospitalizations earlier in the pandemic were more related to illness due to infection. 

I just meant it's 2/3 lower now, and the public has not been told the true number for the past two years. Sorry, bad wording. You're right, earlier on it could easily (and probably was) a lot closer, but it still would have been nice having the true numbers, instead of public health just brushing it off. 

Meltdown99 said:

Oodles of fine folks graduate Ontario universities and colleges every year with some sort of medical training…many of those folks needs to go to the US to work…why?  Because we have no jobs?  Now that we need these people, the government has not conducted any hiring blitzes to get staff in these hospitals…not to mention the many folks who come to this country with medical degrees who are driving cabs…help these folks meet our qualifications quicker and get them into healthcare settings where they want be and could help ease the Covid strain on the system.  There is always a way, there is a lack of will.

it’s easier to continue to hurt business, children and people with lockdowns than address the problem.

What's the difference between KN95 and KF94 masks?

Canadian truckers already en route should get reprieve amid vaccine mandate confusion: industry leader

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/canadian-truckers-already-en-route-should-get-reprieve-amid-vaccine-mandate-confusion-industry-leader-1.5739996

Meltdown99 said:

Canada's public health doc is projecting 100 to 250 thousand daily cases in the coming weeks.  Looks like the vaccine us not working.  No way Canada has that many unvaccinated.   

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Canada's public health doc is projecting 100 to 250 thousand daily cases in the coming weeks.  Looks like the vaccine us not working.  No way Canada has that many unvaccinated.   

The data is pretty locked in now, that the original vaccines don’t really help against this variant.  The booster does, but at some 50 to 80% clip, much lower than against the strains for which it was designed.  

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Canada's public health doc is projecting 100 to 250 thousand daily cases in the coming weeks.  Looks like the vaccine us not working.  No way Canada has that many unvaccinated.   

The data is pretty locked in now, that the original vaccines don’t really help against this variant.  The booster does, but at some 50 to 80% clip, much lower than against the strains for which it was designed.  

You mean the vaccines don't really help that much in catching the virus. But they still help in preventing more serious illness. 

That's an important distinction. I know you understand this but just putting it out there for some who don't.

Yes absolutely. It's less effective against prevention,  highly effective against severe disease.  

It does bring up an interesting debate on the OSHA mandate though.  When it was 90+% effective at prevention,  then I was a heavy advocate for the mandate.  If it is not effective at prevention,  does it get closer to personal at that point vs public health?  In other words if it's not stopping spread does the federal govt have a right or interest in mandating it? People who refuse the vax may have severe disease and death,  but that outcome is not communicable.  

Now some may bring up seat belts or helmet laws, there is a difference.  Those went through legislative processes.  The SCOTUS did not rule that vax mandates were not constitutional, rather whether the OHS could unilaterally require. 

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Canada's public health doc is projecting 100 to 250 thousand daily cases in the coming weeks.  Looks like the vaccine us not working.  No way Canada has that many unvaccinated.   

The data is pretty locked in now, that the original vaccines don’t really help against this variant.  The booster does, but at some 50 to 80% clip, much lower than against the strains for which it was designed.  

You mean the vaccines don't really help that much in catching the virus. But they still help in preventing more serious illness. 

That's an important distinction. I know you understand this but just putting it out there for some who don't.

Yes absolutely. It's less effective against prevention,  highly effective against severe disease.  

It does bring up an interesting debate on the OSHA mandate though.  When it was 90+% effective at prevention,  then I was a heavy advocate for the mandate.  If it is not effective at prevention,  does it get closer to personal at that point vs public health?  In other words if it's not stopping spread does the federal govt have a right or interest in mandating it? People who refuse the vax may have severe disease and death,  but that outcome is not communicable.  

Now some may bring up seat belts or helmet laws, there is a difference.  Those went through legislative processes.  The SCOTUS did not rule that vax mandates were not constitutional, rather whether the OHS could unilaterally require. 

I would argue the seat belt/helmet laws...when the public is too stupid to protect itself the government has to step in.

This is a public health issue that requires swift action....no time for legislation in this fucked up political climate.