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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,135
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk

    Creepy
    We must run in the same circles.  Two people sent me the porch one earlier today and these have followed.  
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Lol.  Yup this guy had a plan.  His only plan was jumping in bed with China which set Canada behind by a month or two…


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    You're trolling.  Quit mucking up the Pretenders thread. 
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Canada didn't invoke dispute clause when Chinese vaccine deal fell apart, documents reveal


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-didnt-invoke-dispute-clause-when-chinese-vaccine-deal-fell-apart-documents-reveal

    The idiot running this country has been getting bitched slapped by China since the Meng arrest and they are holding 2 Canadians hostage…what a joke.  

    The idiot PM is in bed with his Chinese buddies…
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Meltdown99 said:

    Canada didn't invoke dispute clause when Chinese vaccine deal fell apart, documents reveal


    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-didnt-invoke-dispute-clause-when-chinese-vaccine-deal-fell-apart-documents-reveal

    The idiot running this country has been getting bitched slapped by China since the Meng arrest and they are holding 2 Canadians hostage…what a joke.  

    The idiot PM is in bed with his Chinese buddies…
    What kind of leverage do you think Canada has compared to China? Each action or threat could be easily retaliated by the Chinese, to far greater relative impact to the Canadians than the Chinese.  I'm glad our government doesn't waste energy demonstrating whose balls are bigger, when there are things they could be doing for the nation which have material impact. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    botching about losing out on reported 50% effective vaccine?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mickeyrat said:
    botching about losing out on reported 50% effective vaccine?
    he'd bitch about trudeau if he cured cancer. hopeless. 
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  • hedonist
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk

    Creepy
    I love you. 
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,885
    edited August 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    You're trolling.  Quit mucking up the Pretenders thread. 
    All this talk about who's special. all I know is not me baby, I'm too precious...

    https://youtu.be/o6-0ypKuwv8
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,135
    hedonist said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk

    Creepy
    I love you. 
    Pathetic. Not.

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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    dankind said:
    mrussel1 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    dankind said:
    Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.

    So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
    I totally disagree with this statement.  All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test!  If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!

    Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms?  Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, *which has since been proven to not be a thing.

    Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US.  Anyone know who?
    Someone got really rich off the statin I take.  Therefore I'm not taking it anymore.  That'll show 'em. 
    I said "generally."

    But reactionaries gonna reactionary (*and of course, spread a little misinformation while they're at it).

    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    dankind said:
    Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.

    So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
    I totally disagree with this statement.  All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test!  If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!

    Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms?  Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.

    Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US.  Anyone know who?
    show me your data that suggests asymptomatic spread is not a thing. 

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00059-4/fulltext

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210110/59-percent-of-covid-cases-stem-from-asymptomatic-spread

    https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851
    Here I am getting accused of spreading misinformation, which oddly enough is the reason I got my timeout, or as I call it, my #FauciOuchie.  It is so dangerous for people to judge what mis (or dis) information is.  I define minsformation as information that goes against the narrative of "my" party and ultimately "The" party.  Prove me wrong.

    Anywho, to my point, maybe I should have said asymp spread is virtually non-existent, maybe "not a thing" was a little much.  Anyways, let's look at the data.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

    Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102

    Results  A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

    “From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”


  • gvn2fly1421
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    oftenreading said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    dankind said:
    Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.

    So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
    I totally disagree with this statement.  All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test!  If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!

    Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms?  Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.

    Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US.  Anyone know who?
    The list of companies that are producing COVID-19 diagnostic tests is a long one, when you include both PCR and antigen tests, as well as both medically delivered and self-tests. And I disagree that we are testing too much in general. 

    Thanks for that link! 

    Not directed at you but to the people who think we are not testing enough, a lady who works with my wife at a local hospital is fully vaccinated and had the virus.  Well, her son swallowed a quarter the other day and they took him to Vanderbilt.  It was then Vandy tested the kid and found he had the virus.  No symptoms.  So now, the lady who has had the virus and vaccine has to show a negative test to return to work or quarantine.  How does any of that make sense?

    And a side point, but whatever happened to natural immunity?  Why is that not discussed at all anymore?
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

    The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    edited August 2021
    Meltdown99 said:
    Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

    The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
    My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

    The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
    My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.

    This is because you can still spread it after being vaxxxed.
    Of course a woman working at a hospital should have to test if her kid has it. 
    Half of the people (and all of the people under 12) she interacts with may not have the vaccine.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

    The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
    My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
    Are the feds making you get tested under the force of law? No.  That's why I'm not upset.  I don't have to get tested. Quit being a victim. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    oftenreading said:
    More not great news. 

    Preliminary lab results suggest that the lambda variant may be more infectious and at least somewhat resistant to neutralizing antibodies from the vaccines. 

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/delta-infections-among-vaccinated-likely-contagious-lambda-variant-shows-vaccine-2021-08-02/

    If/when we do face a variant that escapes protection offered by the current vaccines, I think there is a high likelihood that the mRNA vaccines can be tweaked to be more specifically targeted, but this means getting back into waiting for vaccine production and roll out. 
    At this rate it never ends...
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    mrussel1 said:
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

    The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
    My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
    Are the feds making you get tested under the force of law? No.  That's why I'm not upset.  I don't have to get tested. Quit being a victim. 
    I see that coming soon if you want to be able to leave your house.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

    The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
    My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.
    I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it.  How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque.   I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…
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