Viruses / Vaccines

Poncier · July 2021

JB16057 said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

This is in reference to a specific outbreak stemming from July 4th week in Provincetown, not a state wide number or anything.
Summer holiday weekends in P-Town are basically a huge bacchanal (and I'd be willing to bet since last year was a wash out they went extra hard and heavy this year feeling they were through the pandemic), there are lots of small cramped clubs, folks in very close quarters, drinking, dancing, sweating and then there's the post closing activities. Saw an interview on local news a couple weeks ago with a guy who contracted Covid July 4th week there, said he and his friends basically did a 6 consecutive day/night bender. So I think behavior had a lot to do with this outbreak.

Behavior doesn't have anything to do with the efficacy of the COVID vaccines.

But it has plenty to do with occurrence of an outbreak.
And there were a reported 10,000 folks there that weekend, rained the whole time, everyone was inside...the efficacy is in the 90-95% range for the mRNA vaccines and around 65% for J&J in terms of spread prevention, numbers line up with the article reporting 274 breakthrough cases. Key element is the vaxxed folks are avoiding severe illness and worse Virus continues to evolve as viruses are want to do, the large swath of the US population refusing the vaccine has allowed the Delta variant to gain a strong hold in the US.

mrussel1 · July 2021

elvistheking44 said:

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Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not. The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated. The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated. However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick. There’s no other way around it.

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death. However, vax deniers or whatever you want to call them, who refuse to get it for non medical reasons, are still selfish assholes.

As an example, a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now. She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son. He caught it, brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband. Selfish.

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check. This isn't a game or politics.

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill, the stats mean less. 1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

Weston is a big boy and a physician. Pretty sure I'm not telling him something he doesn't know or an anecdote he hasn't heard. If I offend him, I'm sure he'll say something

My point all day has been…..enjoy the good, not elaborate on the bad. No one can seem to get that. I feel like some enjoy the lock down, no social contact, no so outside communication….

I went to the Padres game yesterday, snorkeled in LaJolla today and just got back from dinner in Little Italy. So you're assumptions are just off.

mrussel1 · July 2021

Poncier said:

JB16057 said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

This is in reference to a specific outbreak stemming from July 4th week in Provincetown, not a state wide number or anything.
Summer holiday weekends in P-Town are basically a huge bacchanal (and I'd be willing to bet since last year was a wash out they went extra hard and heavy this year feeling they were through the pandemic), there are lots of small cramped clubs, folks in very close quarters, drinking, dancing, sweating and then there's the post closing activities. Saw an interview on local news a couple weeks ago with a guy who contracted Covid July 4th week there, said he and his friends basically did a 6 consecutive day/night bender. So I think behavior had a lot to do with this outbreak.

Behavior doesn't have anything to do with the efficacy of the COVID vaccines.

But it has plenty to do with occurrence of an outbreak.
And there were a reported 10,000 folks there that weekend, rained the whole time, everyone was inside...the efficacy is in the 90-95% range for the mRNA vaccines and around 65% for J&J in terms of spread prevention, numbers line up with the article reporting 274 breakthrough cases. Key element is the vaxxed folks are avoiding severe illness and worse Virus continues to evolve as viruses are want to do, the large swath of the US population refusing the vaccine has allowed the Delta variant to gain a strong hold in the US.

That's interesting. I didn't realize the denominator was so high there. The Texas thing also had 10% breakthrough. That's good news that the numbers are staying there. I hope that continues.

brianlux · July 2021

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not. The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated. The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated. However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick. There’s no other way around it.

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death. However, vax deniers or whatever you want to call them, who refuse to get it for non medical reasons, are still selfish assholes.

As an example, a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now. She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son. He caught it, brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband. Selfish.

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check. This isn't a game or politics.

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill, the stats mean less. 1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

Weston is a big boy and a physician. Pretty sure I'm not telling him something he doesn't know or an anecdote he hasn't heard. If I offend him, I'm sure he'll say something

My point all day has been…..enjoy the good, not elaborate on the bad. No one can seem to get that. I feel like some enjoy the lock down, no social contact, no so outside communication….

I went to the Padres game yesterday, snorkeled in LaJolla today and just got back from dinner in Little Italy. So you're assumptions are just off.

YOU'RE FROM CALIFORNIA?! I NEED A PADRES T-SHIRT, MAN!!! YA GOTTA GET ME A PADRES T-SHIRT MAN!!! YOU HAVE TO!!!

mickeyrat · July 2021

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not. The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated. The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated. However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick. There’s no other way around it.

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death. However, vax deniers or whatever you want to call them, who refuse to get it for non medical reasons, are still selfish assholes.

As an example, a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now. She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son. He caught it, brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband. Selfish.

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check. This isn't a game or politics.

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill, the stats mean less. 1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

Weston is a big boy and a physician. Pretty sure I'm not telling him something he doesn't know or an anecdote he hasn't heard. If I offend him, I'm sure he'll say something

My point all day has been…..enjoy the good, not elaborate on the bad. No one can seem to get that. I feel like some enjoy the lock down, no social contact, no so outside communication….

I went to the Padres game yesterday, snorkeled in LaJolla today and just got back from dinner in Little Italy. So you're assumptions are just off.

YOU'RE FROM CALIFORNIA?! I NEED A PADRES T-SHIRT, MAN!!! YA GOTTA GET ME A PADRES T-SHIRT MAN!!! YOU HAVE TO!!!

in California not from... .

you cant get something from mlb.com?

cincybearcat · July 2021

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not. The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated. The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated. However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick. There’s no other way around it.

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death. However, vax deniers or whatever you want to call them, who refuse to get it for non medical reasons, are still selfish assholes.

As an example, a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now. She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son. He caught it, brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband. Selfish.

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check. This isn't a game or politics.

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill, the stats mean less. 1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

Weston is a big boy and a physician. Pretty sure I'm not telling him something he doesn't know or an anecdote he hasn't heard. If I offend him, I'm sure he'll say something

My point all day has been…..enjoy the good, not elaborate on the bad. No one can seem to get that. I feel like some enjoy the lock down, no social contact, no so outside communication….

Yeah let’s just all ignore the potential negative and focus on those that haven’t had serious effects or even death!!!! Yeah everyone...except of course those 4+ million dead. But who cares...thoughts and prayers and nothing but good info!!

The good info would be people getting vaccinated.

Weston1283 · July 2021

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not. The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated. The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated. However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick. There’s no other way around it.

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death. However, vax deniers or whatever you want to call them, who refuse to get it for non medical reasons, are still selfish assholes.

As an example, a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now. She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son. He caught it, brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband. Selfish.

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check. This isn't a game or politics.

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill, the stats mean less. 1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

Weston is a big boy and a physician. Pretty sure I'm not telling him something he doesn't know or an anecdote he hasn't heard. If I offend him, I'm sure he'll say something

My point all day has been…..enjoy the good, not elaborate on the bad. No one can seem to get that. I feel like some enjoy the lock down, no social contact, no so outside communication….

The bad, which is people STILL not getting vaccinated, is worth elaborating on

Spunkie · July 2021

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/epidemiological-economic-research-data/mathematical-modelling.html

This month's Canadian federal government modelling.

josevolution · July 2021

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1421317447542530049?s=21
Tejas coming on strong to take the lead!

PJPOWER · July 2021

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1421317447542530049?s=21
Tejas coming on strong to take the lead!

Actually, per the article you posted, California is still in the lead. TX definitely has a lot of idiots refusing the vaccine, though. Not looking forward to the next few months.

josevolution · July 2021

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1421317447542530049?s=21
Tejas coming on strong to take the lead!

Actually, per the article you posted, California is still in the lead. TX definitely has a lot of idiots refusing the vaccine, though. Not looking forward to the next few months.

Yes

mickeyrat · July 2021

Florida said hold my beer....

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-health-business-arts-and-entertainment-florida-01fa89e1d9491ab075c5deb689af1ea8

Florida breaks record with more than 21,000 new COVID cases

By MIKE SCHNEIDER

12 mins ago

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Florida reported 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state’s highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, according to federal health data released Saturday, as its theme park resorts again started asking visitors to wear masks indoors.

The state has become the new national epicenter for the virus, accounting for around a fifth of all new cases in the U.S. as the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus continues to spread.

Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has resisted mandatory mask mandates and vaccine requirements, and along with the state Legislature, has limited local officials’ ability to impose restrictions meant to stop the spread of COVID-19. DeSantis on Friday barred school districts from requiring students to wear masks when classes resume next month.

The latest numbers were recorded on Friday and released on Saturday on the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's website. The figures show how quickly the number of cases is rising in the Sunshine State: only a day earlier, Florida reported 17,093 new daily cases. The previous peak in Florida had been 19,334 cases reported on Jan. 7, before the availability of vaccinations became widespread.

The state reported 409 deaths this week, bringing the total to more than 39,000 since its first in March 2020. The state’s peak happened in mid-August 2020, when 1,266 people died over a seven-day period. Deaths usually follow increases in hospitalizations by a few weeks.

DeSantis has blamed the surge on a seasonal increase — more Floridians are indoors because of the hot weather with air conditioning circulating the virus. About 60% of Floridians 12 and older are vaccinated, ranking it about midway among the states.

The Florida Hospital Association said Friday that statewide COVID-19 hospitalizations are nearing last year’s peak, and one of the state's largest health care systems, AdventHealth’s Central Florida Division, this week advised it would no longer be conducting nonemergency surgeries in order to free up resources for COVID-19 patients.

Universal Orlando Resort and SeaWorld on Saturday became the latest theme park resorts in Florida to again ask visitors to wear masks indoors, with Universal also ordering its employees to wear face coverings to protect against COVID-19, which has been surging across the state.

All workers at Universal’s Florida park on Saturday started being required to wear masks while indoors as the employees returned to practicing social distancing. The home to Harry Potter and Despicable Me rides also asked visitors to follow federal and local health guidelines by voluntarily wearing face coverings indoors.

“The health and safety of our guests and team members is always our top priority,” Universal said in a statement.

Health officials on Friday announced that coronavirus cases in Florida had jumped 50% over the past week with COVID-19 hospitalizations in the state nearing last year’s peak.

SeaWorld on Saturday posted on its website that it was recommending that visitors follow recently updated federal recommendations and wear face coverings while indoors.

The change in policy this week at the theme park resorts came after the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that everyone wear masks indoors, regardless of vaccination status.

Crosstown rival Walt Disney World started requiring employees and guests older than 2 to wear masks on Friday, but it also went a step further. The Walt Disney Co. said in a statement that it will be requiring all salaried and non-union hourly employees in the U.S. who work on site to be fully vaccinated.

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mickeyrat · August 2021

wish I understood these people.

https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-south-dakota-sd-state-wire-ba6541e476b9e904440de87d9f56d6f3

South Dakota's Noem doesn't plan to ratchet up vaccine push

By STEPHEN GROVES

Yesterday

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem says she has no plans to ratchet up her messaging to urge people to get a COVID-19 vaccine, even as Republican leaders across the country try to persuade vaccine skeptics to roll up their sleeves and take the shots in response to a new, more contagious variant that has sent caseloads soaring in some areas.

The Republican governor told The Associated Press this week she believes her messaging has reached “a saturation level where people start to tune you out."

South Dakota's Department of Health is trying a targeted approach to reach groups where vaccine uptake has been low. But it has been months since the governor used her position to encourage the vaccine, even with infections rising again in the state after a steep decline in the spring and early summer.

Noem's rise as a potential contender for the 2024 GOP presidential ticket has been mostly fueled by her hands-off approach to the pandemic.

Other party leaders and conservative cable news personalities, facing a fresh wave of infections spurred by the delta virus variant, have sounded the alarm in recent weeks and tried to convince people to get the shot. Republican governors such as Arkansas’ Asa Hutchinson, who recently took over as chairman of the National Governors Association, have called combating vaccine resistance a priority and used their positions to advocate for the shot.

Noem initially championed the arrival of the vaccine, putting out a video message in March to say she was “trusting people to do the right thing” in getting the shot and posting a social media photo of her rolling up a sleeve for it. She also touted how South Dakota initially had one of the country's highest rates of vaccinations. But the state's vaccination rate has since tumbled into the bottom half of states, with under half of the total population fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Meanwhile, virus cases in the state have more than doubled in the last two weeks, though the rate remained lower than at any other point besides the early days of the pandemic.

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cp3iverson · August 2021

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID. Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not. The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated. The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated. However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick. There’s no other way around it.

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death. However, vax deniers or whatever you want to call them, who refuse to get it for non medical reasons, are still selfish assholes.

As an example, a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now. She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son. He caught it, brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband. Selfish.

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check. This isn't a game or politics.

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill, the stats mean less. 1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

Weston is a big boy and a physician. Pretty sure I'm not telling him something he doesn't know or an anecdote he hasn't heard. If I offend him, I'm sure he'll say something

My point all day has been…..enjoy the good, not elaborate on the bad. No one can seem to get that. I feel like some enjoy the lock down, no social contact, no so outside communication….

I went to the Padres game yesterday, snorkeled in LaJolla today and just got back from dinner in Little Italy. So you're assumptions are just off.

Friars!!!!!

cp3iverson · August 2021

Im doing my part. Lol.

All of my employees have been told that they can leave to get the vaccine during working hours and not have to use sick time/lunch time/break time/ etc. Counts as hours worked. They can leave for the day if they want. If they feel like crap the next day they can just work from home. So far two have taken me up on it (and they came to work the next day

)

its tough. A lot of these guys and girls in their 20s and 30s just dont seem to want it. It’s not political whatsoever. They just think they’re immortal.

Pap · August 2021

Immunization Agenda 2030: A Global Strategy to Leave No One Behind

Kat · August 2021

I'm no longer skeptical after reading more than just the headline. Thanks to everyone for discussing that spreader event. Now I'm just sad that the vaxxed are apparently not as safe as we had hoped we would be. I'll keep wearing my mask, etc., because of underlying conditions and I hope everyone gets vaxxed. The news this morning was full about how the hospitals and staff are overwhelmed again by the unvaxxed. Some good news is that vaxxing numbers are up...I have some hope from that. Be safe all and have a great week.

Meltdown99 · August 2021

PJNB · August 2021

Kat said:

I'm no longer skeptical after reading more than just the headline. Thanks to everyone for discussing that spreader event. Now I'm just sad that the vaxxed are apparently not as safe as we had hoped we would be. I'll keep wearing my mask, etc., because of underlying conditions and I hope everyone gets vaxxed. The news this morning was full about how the hospitals and staff are overwhelmed again by the unvaxxed. Some good news is that vaxxing numbers are up...I have some hope from that. Be safe all and have a great week.

Less than 1% of fully vaccinated people experience a breakthrough Covid-19 infection, analysis finds

From CNN’s Deidre McPhillips

Less than 1% of fully vaccinated people experienced a breakthrough infection, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation analysis of official state data.

The federal government only reports data on breakthrough infections that result in hospitalization or death.

According to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, less than 0.004% of people who have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19 experienced a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization, and less than 0.001% have died from the disease. That’s about 6,600 severe breakthrough cases out of more than 163 million fully vaccinated people.

But the KFF analysis shows that breakthrough infections of any kind are also extremely rare.

About half of states report data on Covid-19 breakthrough cases, and in each of those states, less than 1% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough infection, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.9% in Oklahoma.

Also, more than 90% of cases – and more than 95% of hospitalizations and deaths – have been among unvaccinated people, according to the KFF analysis. In most states, more than 98% of cases were among the unvaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-08-02-21/h_4258aa07cbf2206435b5f84328ddab33

For me these numbers are incredibly good. I feel the opposite and think these vaccines are working better than I could of ever imagined especially when you take into account we are now dealing with a variant that was not even out yet when the vaccines were being produced.

mcgruff10 · August 2021

Big crawfish festival in nj just canceled because of the delta variant. Grant it a lot of musicians were coming in from low vax states like Louisiana but it still makes me a tad nervous about shn. Festival had about 10k people a day.

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