Viruses / Vaccines

Poncier

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

This is in reference to a specific outbreak stemming from July 4th week in Provincetown, not a state wide number or anything.
Summer holiday weekends in P-Town are basically a huge bacchanal (and I'd be willing to bet since last year was a wash out they went extra hard and heavy this year feeling they were through the pandemic), there are lots of small cramped clubs, folks in very close quarters, drinking, dancing, sweating and then there's the post closing activities. Saw an interview on local news a couple weeks ago with a guy who contracted Covid July 4th week there, said he and his friends basically did a 6 consecutive day/night bender. So I think behavior had a lot to do with this outbreak.

JB16057

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

Do you remember when Fauci said we didn't need to wear masks? The reality was that he knew that we should've been wearing masks but had to lie to the public to protect the mask supply. How many lives could've been saved had he been honest from the start?(that's a whole other point)

I've always believed that there have been more breakthrough cases than have been reported for the same reasoning. Many anti-vaxxers ask, "why should I get the vaccine if I'm still going to get sick?" If there are quite a few breakthrough cases, this could fuel their anti vaccine stance.

I know better and realize that the vaccine will help reduce how sick you could possibly get. I am hearing of quite a few vaccinated people getting sick. How many Democrats left Texas for Washington DC? How many of them caught COVID? That's just one instance of a group of quite a few vaccinated people that got sick.

JB16057

Poncier said:

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

This is in reference to a specific outbreak stemming from July 4th week in Provincetown, not a state wide number or anything.
Summer holiday weekends in P-Town are basically a huge bacchanal (and I'd be willing to bet since last year was a wash out they went extra hard and heavy this year feeling they were through the pandemic), there are lots of small cramped clubs, folks in very close quarters, drinking, dancing, sweating and then there's the post closing activities. Saw an interview on local news a couple weeks ago with a guy who contracted Covid July 4th week there, said he and his friends basically did a 6 consecutive day/night bender. So I think behavior had a lot to do with this outbreak.

 Behavior doesn't have anything to do with the efficacy of the COVID vaccines.

brianlux

Poncier said:

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

This is in reference to a specific outbreak stemming from July 4th week in Provincetown, not a state wide number or anything.
Summer holiday weekends in P-Town are basically a huge bacchanal (and I'd be willing to bet since last year was a wash out they went extra hard and heavy this year feeling they were through the pandemic), there are lots of small cramped clubs, folks in very close quarters, drinking, dancing, sweating and then there's the post closing activities. Saw an interview on local news a couple weeks ago with a guy who contracted Covid July 4th week there, said he and his friends basically did a 6 consecutive day/night bender. So I think behavior had a lot to do with this outbreak.

Partying with large groups during COVID- what could go wrong?https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/27/ozarks-lake-covid-unvaccinated-500784?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Even some conservatives and FOX gets it!

Missouri has seen an aggressive surge in Covid cases since early July, representing one of the largest outbreaks in the nation. Caseloads and hospitalizations returned to levels not seen since the thick of the pandemic last year. Over the last seven-day period, the state saw an average of 1,500 new Covid cases a day—the highest in six months—and an average of three deaths per day, according to the state’s health department.

In the past week, high-profile Republicans and conservatives have seemingly awakened to promoting the vaccine as cases explode. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, whose state saw a 400 percent increase in Covid hospitalizations in recent weeks declared, “it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.” And Fox news’ Sean Hannity told viewers “I believe in the science of vaccination.”

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1

from this article....

The outbreak in Provincetown — a seaside tourist spot on Cape Cod in the county with Massachusetts’ highest vaccination rate — has so far included more than 900 cases. About three-quarters of them were people who were fully vaccinated.

Travis Dagenais, who was among the many vaccinated people infected, said “throwing caution to the wind” and partying in crowds for long nights over the July Fourth holiday was a mistake in hindsight.

“The dominant public messaging has been that the vaccine means a return to normal,” the 35-year-old Boston resident said Thursday. “Unfortunately, I’ve now learned it’s a few steps toward normal, not the zero-to-sixty that we seem to have undertaken.”

Dagenais credits being vaccinated with easing the worst of the flu-like symptoms in a couple of days. He has recovered.

Like many states, Massachusetts lifted all COVID-19 restrictions in late May, ahead of the traditional Memorial Day start of the summer season. Provincetown this week reinstated an indoor mask requirement for everyone.

mickeyrat

doubt very much it will sway any here but maybe the lurkers can be persuaded....

They Spurned the Vaccine. Now They Want You to Know They Regret It. https://nyti.ms/2V5uGGH

josevolution

https://twitter.com/heidinbc/status/1421251759972945923?s=21
Not sure how or when this will all end..

mrussel1

JB16057 said:

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

Do you remember when Fauci said we didn't need to wear masks? The reality was that he knew that we should've been wearing masks but had to lie to the public to protect the mask supply. How many lives could've been saved had he been honest from the start?(that's a whole other point)

I've always believed that there have been more breakthrough cases than have been reported for the same reasoning. Many anti-vaxxers ask, "why should I get the vaccine if I'm still going to get sick?" If there are quite a few breakthrough cases, this could fuel their anti vaccine stance.

I know better and realize that the vaccine will help reduce how sick you could possibly get. I am hearing of quite a few vaccinated people getting sick. How many Democrats left Texas for Washington DC? How many of them caught COVID? That's just one instance of a group of quite a few vaccinated people that got sick.

10% of them got sick, and coincidentally the vaccine is 90% effective against the original strain. 

So to be sure I'm reading your assessment here on Fauci, you support wearing masks,  right?

hedonist

brianlux said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

This is in reference to a specific outbreak stemming from July 4th week in Provincetown, not a state wide number or anything.
Summer holiday weekends in P-Town are basically a huge bacchanal (and I'd be willing to bet since last year was a wash out they went extra hard and heavy this year feeling they were through the pandemic), there are lots of small cramped clubs, folks in very close quarters, drinking, dancing, sweating and then there's the post closing activities. Saw an interview on local news a couple weeks ago with a guy who contracted Covid July 4th week there, said he and his friends basically did a 6 consecutive day/night bender. So I think behavior had a lot to do with this outbreak.

Partying with large groups during COVID- what could go wrong?https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/27/ozarks-lake-covid-unvaccinated-500784?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Even some conservatives and FOX gets it!

Missouri has seen an aggressive surge in Covid cases since early July, representing one of the largest outbreaks in the nation. Caseloads and hospitalizations returned to levels not seen since the thick of the pandemic last year. Over the last seven-day period, the state saw an average of 1,500 new Covid cases a day—the highest in six months—and an average of three deaths per day, according to the state’s health department.

In the past week, high-profile Republicans and conservatives have seemingly awakened to promoting the vaccine as cases explode. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, whose state saw a 400 percent increase in Covid hospitalizations in recent weeks declared, “it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.” And Fox news’ Sean Hannity told viewers “I believe in the science of vaccination.”

Being conservative in itself does not equate to a terrible or ignorant person. FYI.

Weston1283

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

elvistheking44

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

mrussel1

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death.  However,  vax deniers or whatever you want to call them,  who refuse to get it for non medical reasons,  are still selfish assholes.   

As an example,  a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now.  She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son.  He caught it,  brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband.  Selfish. 

elvistheking44

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death.  However,  vax deniers or whatever you want to call them,  who refuse to get it for non medical reasons,  are still selfish assholes.   

As an example,  a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now.  She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son.  He caught it,  brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband.  Selfish. 

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

mrussel1

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death.  However,  vax deniers or whatever you want to call them,  who refuse to get it for non medical reasons,  are still selfish assholes.   

As an example,  a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now.  She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son.  He caught it,  brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband.  Selfish. 

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check.  This isn't a game or politics. 

elvistheking44

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death.  However,  vax deniers or whatever you want to call them,  who refuse to get it for non medical reasons,  are still selfish assholes.   

As an example,  a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now.  She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son.  He caught it,  brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband.  Selfish. 

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check.  This isn't a game or politics. 

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

brianlux

hedonist said:

brianlux said:

Poncier said:

Kat said:

I'm having a problem believing that headline. Whatever the truth is, I'm going to hold back on my judgment. That number just doesn't go along with all the other information we're getting. Color me highly skeptical on that one.

This is in reference to a specific outbreak stemming from July 4th week in Provincetown, not a state wide number or anything.
Summer holiday weekends in P-Town are basically a huge bacchanal (and I'd be willing to bet since last year was a wash out they went extra hard and heavy this year feeling they were through the pandemic), there are lots of small cramped clubs, folks in very close quarters, drinking, dancing, sweating and then there's the post closing activities. Saw an interview on local news a couple weeks ago with a guy who contracted Covid July 4th week there, said he and his friends basically did a 6 consecutive day/night bender. So I think behavior had a lot to do with this outbreak.

Partying with large groups during COVID- what could go wrong?https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/27/ozarks-lake-covid-unvaccinated-500784?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Even some conservatives and FOX gets it!

Missouri has seen an aggressive surge in Covid cases since early July, representing one of the largest outbreaks in the nation. Caseloads and hospitalizations returned to levels not seen since the thick of the pandemic last year. Over the last seven-day period, the state saw an average of 1,500 new Covid cases a day—the highest in six months—and an average of three deaths per day, according to the state’s health department.

In the past week, high-profile Republicans and conservatives have seemingly awakened to promoting the vaccine as cases explode. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, whose state saw a 400 percent increase in Covid hospitalizations in recent weeks declared, “it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.” And Fox news’ Sean Hannity told viewers “I believe in the science of vaccination.”

Being conservative in itself does not equate to a terrible or ignorant person. FYI.

True.  Point taken.  I could have worded that better!

mrussel1

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death.  However,  vax deniers or whatever you want to call them,  who refuse to get it for non medical reasons,  are still selfish assholes.   

As an example,  a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now.  She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son.  He caught it,  brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband.  Selfish. 

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check.  This isn't a game or politics. 

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill,  the stats mean less.  1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.  

elvistheking44

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death.  However,  vax deniers or whatever you want to call them,  who refuse to get it for non medical reasons,  are still selfish assholes.   

As an example,  a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now.  She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son.  He caught it,  brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband.  Selfish. 

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check.  This isn't a game or politics. 

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill,  the stats mean less.  1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.  

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

mrussel1

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death.  However,  vax deniers or whatever you want to call them,  who refuse to get it for non medical reasons,  are still selfish assholes.   

As an example,  a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now.  She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son.  He caught it,  brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband.  Selfish. 

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check.  This isn't a game or politics. 

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill,  the stats mean less.  1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.  

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

Weston is a big boy and a physician.  Pretty sure I'm not telling him something he doesn't know or an anecdote he hasn't heard.   If I offend him,  I'm sure he'll say something

elvistheking44

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

Weston1283 said:

Haven’t caught up on the thread but I still think the USA has relatively beaten COVID.  Cases are skyrocketing, but deaths are not.  The majority of the at risk population has gotten vaccinated.  The delta variant is contagious and dangerous for the unvaccinated.  However, the story for the last 7 months, and going forward, has been and will always remain the same.  

Choose to get vaccinated or choose to get sick.  There’s no other way around it.  

I am also expecting my booster shot this fall/winter 

Go away. Nobody wants your good news here.

Incorrect. We respect Weston. He's pointing out the success of the vaccine in preventing severe illness and death.  However,  vax deniers or whatever you want to call them,  who refuse to get it for non medical reasons,  are still selfish assholes.   

As an example,  a girl that works for me tested positive and is sick now.  She was fully vaxed as was every member of her family except the 21 year old son.  He caught it,  brought it into the house. Now they are very worried about her immuno compromised husband.  Selfish. 

“Incorrect”……..but here is some more doom and gloom.

Sorry for your reality check.  This isn't a game or politics. 

He posted something good…..you immediately posted something bad. Doom and gloom.

Well when someone who has worked for you for 12 years is home with the virus and worried about her husband getting seriously ill,  the stats mean less.  1% mortality rate is nothing until a member of your family is in the 1%.  

Fair enough. But let Weston enjoy his post. Don’t bring him down right away.

Weston is a big boy and a physician.  Pretty sure I'm not telling him something he doesn't know or an anecdote he hasn't heard.   If I offend him,  I'm sure he'll say something

My point all day has been…..enjoy the good, not elaborate on the bad. No one can seem to get that. I feel like some enjoy the lock  down, no social contact, no so outside communication….