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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,372
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion should be "get the vaccine", but instead it is that our freedoms are being taken away again. 
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,956
    edited July 2021
    'newspaper' is a stretch.  rag/tabloid is more appropriate.
    As others stated, the obvious response is that the number represented there is only about half of the people in America - get the vaccine!
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,551
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 
    How We'll Know When The COVID-19 Crisis Is Over
    https://www.npr.org/2021/07/10/1014374383/covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic-when-its-over
    The question of when the crisis will be over is a layered one — with different answers from local, national and global perspectives.



    At this point - who knows?  All those people who said 'it's just the flu' were kinda right.

    We were unable to stop CV19 because people refused to take basic measures protect themselves, their friends, their families, or their neighbors.

    Now, we'll be stuck with evolving variants reoccurring every year.  I suspect there will be an annual flu shot, and CV19 shot for years to come.

    One good thing that came out of this, was our ability to safely & quickly develop mRNA vaccines.  If only we could convince people to get them.  
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,956
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,551
    F Me In The Brain said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    JeBurkhardt said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion should be "get the vaccine", but instead it is that our freedoms are being taken away again. 
    It's not saying that just looking at the cover.  It asks why vaccinated people have to wear them again.

    I asked about the numbers though to make sure they were actually correct as more of you are into it very deeply.

    Thank you for the responses.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,956
    elvistheking44 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.

    I am glad all of your family is beyond the age of 12.  Not all of us can say that.  I believe there are close to 50 million people in the US who are under the age of 12 and not eligible to receive the vaccine.

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

    My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

    Get some perspective in your lives. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    Merkin Baller said:
    I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

    My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

    Get some perspective in your lives. 
    If that happened today 1/2 the country would think it's a conspiracy.  The draft most likely will never happen again because of Vietnam though.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,635
    Because this is a site dedicated to a band...

    "These two creaking relics are just the tip of the Rock Stars Who Have Said Dumb Shit About COVID iceberg."

    Eric Clapton, Van Morrison, and the alarming rise of the Covid conspiracy rock star.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    elvistheking44 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

    Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    I have no problem putting a piece of cloth over my face if it’s in the interest of protecting the immune compromised or those who want but can’t get a vaccine, because it’s a minor inconvenience at best. 

    My goodness, imagine if some of you came of age during WWII or Vietnam & got drafted? What we’re being asked to do for our country right now doesn’t even compare. 

    Get some perspective in your lives. 
    If that happened today 1/2 the country would think it's a conspiracy.  The draft most likely will never happen again because of Vietnam though.
    Miss my point more. 
  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    elvistheking44 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.
    However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Hobbes said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.
    However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.
    Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

    Don't tread on me!!!!!!!
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,956
    Merkin Baller said:
    Hobbes said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.
    However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.
    Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

    Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

    This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 
    #1, I think this is a good idea.
    #2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Hobbes
    Hobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,438
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Hobbes said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.
    However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.
    Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

    Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

    This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 
    #1, I think this is a good idea.
    #2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"
    Breathalyzers violate my HIPAA rights, dammit!!!
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,956
    Hobbes said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Hobbes said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    This is the cover of today’s post here in NY. This is typically a right leaning newspaper. 

    Take what you will from it. Can anyone debunk them numbers? Are they right?

    'typically a right leaning newspaper' is an understatement

    The numbers are right.  It's the conclusion that is wrong.
    The conclusion is opinion….right or wrong. The numbers are facts. We’ve been told to follow the science, look at the numbers, look at the data…..when does it end? I just don’t get it. 

    So what do you take from those numbers?  How do you follow the science?
    Do you get vaccinated?
    Only about 50% of the population of the US is vaccinated.  This is why there is still reason for very serious measures to be taken...
    Fully vaccinated here, entire family is. I only know a few that aren’t. It’s their call at this point. The science and numbers show vaccines work. We are a free society, you can’t have it both ways. Freedom to speak your mind, freedom to worship a god of your choice, freedom of the press and freedom to choose if you want to get vaccinated or not. The doom and gloom needs to stop. If you want to play with your life and choose not to that’s on you. We don’t need media constantly throwing despair in our face 24/7 any longer.
    However, the consequence of one's choice not to vaccinate is not limited to that individual.
    Some people want to drive drunk, but this fascist country with all it's rules & laws won't let them. 

    Don't tread on me!!!!!!!

    This is a great parallel.  Imagine if you had to pass a breathalyzer test to start your car?  Every car, not just the person who is forced to after multiple DUIs. 
    #1, I think this is a good idea.
    #2, people would lose their fucking minds.  "What happened to our freedom?!"
    Breathalyzers violate my HIPAA rights, dammit!!!

    Ha.  You used the proper abbreviation, though.  ;)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
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