Cleveland Indians to drop "Indians" from team name after 105 years

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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Padres…gots to go. 
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    Asking for a friend, is it okay that certain native tribes are so into gambling?  Did they appropriate Blackjack, Poker, Rouelette from the White man?  Should I be okay with this or try to cancel it?
    Lol.  Indigenous peoples like money… 
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    That Chiefs story is why I don’t a lot of weight on the original intent.  Well it appears that the intent was pure, if you will, that no longer matters since they have handled everything through stereotypes since.  

    The logo they use in their very first season in KC makes me question that story anyway.


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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    OnWis97 said:
    That Chiefs story is why I don’t a lot of weight on the original intent.  Well it appears that the intent was pure, if you will, that no longer matters since they have handled everything through stereotypes since.  

    The logo they use in their very first season in KC makes me question that story anyway.


    Is an arrowhead as a mascot that bad?  And I love the name of the stadium, I hope they never change that.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,357
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Please don't leave out Fighting Irish.  As someone who is a quarter Irish this always offended me.
    I would like to support a name change to the Weasels.  Or, Dickwads.  
    Tools would be acceptable, also.

    @darwinstheory
    Am I right or am I right?
    /s


    Dude how dare you bust on ND!! But yeah as a fellow Irishman we need to get rid of the Fighting Irish and the Celtics too.  

    That jealously doesn't look very good on him does it? I'm Irish as well. But I have too many ND related items to afford them to change their name!
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited July 2021
    darwinstheory said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Please don't leave out Fighting Irish.  As someone who is a quarter Irish this always offended me.
    I would like to support a name change to the Weasels.  Or, Dickwads.  
    Tools would be acceptable, also.

    @darwinstheory
    Am I right or am I right?
    /s


    Dude how dare you bust on ND!! But yeah as a fellow Irishman we need to get rid of the Fighting Irish and the Celtics too.  

    That jealously doesn't look very good on him does it? I'm Irish as well. But I have too many ND related items to afford them to change their name!
    Notre Dame is in fucking FRANCE!  How are they the fighting drunkards?  Makes no sense.  Should have been the Surrendering Freedom Fries. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    edited July 2021
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Padres…gots to go. 
    Seriously where does it stop? Side note, I would
    love to see a game in San Diego. Gorgeous stadium. 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Padres…gots to go. 
    And SD State Aztecs.  Nix ‘em. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Padres…gots to go. 
    Seriously where does it stop? Side note, I would
    love to see a game in San Diego. 
    I'm in SD right now, 5 min from the stadium.  Was going to go tonight to see the A's but my son feels like crap after eating two doubles from In n Out (who knew that was a bad idea?), so we're going Thursday against the Rockies.  It's a nice park. 
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    That Chiefs story is why I don’t a lot of weight on the original intent.  Well it appears that the intent was pure, if you will, that no longer matters since they have handled everything through stereotypes since.  

    The logo they use in their very first season in KC makes me question that story anyway.


    Is an arrowhead as a mascot that bad?  And I love the name of the stadium, I hope they never change that.  
    Im referring to everything in the story—the chop, the guy on the horse, and yes, the arrowhead.  As bad as Wahoo? No. But weaponry images portray an image.  Anyway, my point was that the team has been native since day 2 so I don’t know that the intention on day 1 matters.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    darwinstheory said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Please don't leave out Fighting Irish.  As someone who is a quarter Irish this always offended me.
    I would like to support a name change to the Weasels.  Or, Dickwads.  
    Tools would be acceptable, also.

    @darwinstheory
    Am I right or am I right?
    /s


    Perhaps Tools would be most fitting? I would have suggested Fucksticks, but I think the boys of Troy have dibs on that??
    Go to fuckstick.net.  a ND fan site!
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Padres…gots to go. 
    Seriously where does it stop? Side note, I would
    love to see a game in San Diego. 
    I'm in SD right now, 5 min from the stadium.  Was going to go tonight to see the A's but my son feels like crap after eating two doubles from In n Out (who knew that was a bad idea?), so we're going Thursday against the Rockies.  It's a nice park. 
    Two doubles?! Wow. Never been to San Diego, heard it is gorgeous.  Have fun!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Padres…gots to go. 
    Seriously where does it stop? Side note, I would
    love to see a game in San Diego. 
    I'm in SD right now, 5 min from the stadium.  Was going to go tonight to see the A's but my son feels like crap after eating two doubles from In n Out (who knew that was a bad idea?), so we're going Thursday against the Rockies.  It's a nice park. 
    Two doubles?! Wow. Never been to San Diego, heard it is gorgeous.  Have fun!
    Yeah, he's 19 and thinks he's invincible.  Idiot. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Padres…gots to go. 
    Seriously where does it stop? Side note, I would
    love to see a game in San Diego. 
    I'm in SD right now, 5 min from the stadium.  Was going to go tonight to see the A's but my son feels like crap after eating two doubles from In n Out (who knew that was a bad idea?), so we're going Thursday against the Rockies.  It's a nice park. 
    Two doubles?! Wow. Never been to San Diego, heard it is gorgeous.  Have fun!
    Yeah, he's 19 and thinks he's invincible.  Idiot. 
    Maybe call the front desk for some extra tp.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Padres…gots to go. 
    Seriously where does it stop? Side note, I would
    love to see a game in San Diego. 
    I'm in SD right now, 5 min from the stadium.  Was going to go tonight to see the A's but my son feels like crap after eating two doubles from In n Out (who knew that was a bad idea?), so we're going Thursday against the Rockies.  It's a nice park. 
    Two doubles?! Wow. Never been to San Diego, heard it is gorgeous.  Have fun!
    Yeah, he's 19 and thinks he's invincible.  Idiot. 
    19?  “You’re on your own; I am going to the game.”

     I love Dan Diego. That’s a nice ballpark, too.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    And the mentality behind it.  What does this remind you of?
    How the Kansas City Chiefs got their name and why it39s so controversial - CNN

    A Braves game? Now we want to get rid of the chop?  I can’t.  

    OH CRAP, haha!  That was on the page of Chief's photos for some reason.  I thought they were doing some tomahawk throw thing or whatever.  Yes, I admit it, "I'm dumb, I think I dumb..."

    dumb de dumb dumb dumb!   :lol:
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yet the Kansas City Chiefs refuse to change their name.
    Tell me why the Chiefs should change their name.  What is insulting about the Chiefs?

    again, where does it end?

    The word "Chief" technically refers to the leader of any group of people but, as well all likely well known, the way it is used, especially as a sports name, is related to Native Americans.  And ask a Native American what he or she thinks of using the word "Chief" that way and they are likely to respond, "So do you use the work n***** to describe something related to a black person?"  They really are similar words that way.  It's REALLY not cool to refer to an Indian as "chief" because historically it has been similar to calling a black person "n*****".
    Chief and the N word are definitely not equals, not even close. 
    So the world will be at peace when we get rid of the Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Vikings, Angels, Devils, Blackhawks...who am I missing?
    Please don't leave out Fighting Irish.  As someone who is a quarter Irish this always offended me.
    I would like to support a name change to the Weasels.  Or, Dickwads.  
    Tools would be acceptable, also.

    @darwinstheory
    Am I right or am I right?
    /s


    Dude how dare you bust on ND!! But yeah as a fellow Irishman we need to get rid of the Fighting Irish and the Celtics too.  
    I went to SC.  Busting on the holy rollers is a way of life.

    My husband’s Irish. He gives not a shit about the name…he just wants reparations, dammit  ;)
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    OnWis97 said:
    That Chiefs story is why I don’t a lot of weight on the original intent.  Well it appears that the intent was pure, if you will, that no longer matters since they have handled everything through stereotypes since.  

    The logo they use in their very first season in KC makes me question that story anyway.


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mcgruff10 said:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jefffedotin/2020/07/14/why-the-kansas-city-chiefs-team-name-may-not-actually-be-racist/?sh=3435192a2e1a

    Name Scrutiny Extends From Redskins To Chiefs, But Kansas City’s Mascot Has A Different Origin Story

    With Washington’s NFL team officially changing its nickname from the Redskins, Kansas City’s team name of the Chiefs has come under scrutiny.

    That name, however, was not derived from Native Americans. The Chiefs were named after former Kansas City mayor H. Roe Bartle, who helped the city land a pro football team in the early 1960s.

    The franchise, of course, has adopted Native American themes since then. Fans — some dressed in Native American attire — do the tomahawk chop in Arrowhead Stadium while Warpaint the horse gallops after touchdowns.

    One can make a strong case that those franchise staples offensively depict Native Americans as “savages” and should be changed.

    The mere nickname, though, has more innocuous roots. According to the Chiefs media guide, the Chiefs moniker was selected in honor of Bartle, who helped convince Lamar Hunt to move the Dallas Texans to Kansas City, as part of a name-the-team contest.

    Bartle, who was nearing the end of his second and final term as mayor when he persuaded Hunt, had tried to land pro football in Kansas City at least two other times during the AFL days.

    The mayor was nicknamed “the Chief” not only because of his 6-3, 300-pound-plus girth, but also his work with the Boy Scouts of America.

    After serving in the military during World War I and getting his law degree from the University of Chattanooga, Bartle started as a scout executive in Wyoming, following a training session in Kansas City. The number of scouts in his Wyoming area grew tenfold.

    After Bartle and Hunt initially met in Dallas, only Bartle and his chauffeur knew that Hunt was scouting the Kansas City location because he didn’t want to compete with the Dallas Cowboys for fans.

    Hunt surreptitiously checked into Kansas City’s Muehlebach Hotel under an assumed name, and when Bartle had to introduce him, he called him “Mr. Lamar,” according to Matt Fulks’ 100 Things Chiefs Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die.

    (Disclosure: I am an editor at Triumph Books, the publisher of 100 Things Chiefs Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die.)

    Bartle’s two four-year, mayoral terms ended in 1963. Hunt officially announced his team was moving from Dallas to Kansas City that year, and the Chiefs name was established in May.

    During the Chiefs’ franchise history, their Native American traditions have come under scrutiny as well.

    In 1992 the team stopped playing the tomahawk chop war chant at its home games. Fans, however, still sang the tune and did the arm motion before the franchise reinstituted it shortly thereafter.

    Vahe Gregorian, the columnist for The Kansas City Star, suggested rebranding the Chiefs name as a way to memorialize the six Kansas City firefighters who died in an explosion in 1988.

    And the City of Fountains actually has a prominent fountain located at the south end of Penn Valley Park, which features two bronze sculptures of firefighters.

    Less than two miles from that fountain is Bartle Hall. The major convention center in downtown Kansas City, Mo. is named in honor of the Chief who passed away on May 9, 1974.


    your article misses one key element of this:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/26/us/kansas-city-chiefs-nickname-mascot-spt/index.html

    The Chiefs are named for former Kansas City mayor Harold Roe Bartle, a White man who impersonated Native American culture.
    Before becoming mayor, Bartle was actively involved in leadership of the Boy Scouts of America. In 1925, he created the Tribe of Mic-O-Say, a scouting organization that drew on Native American heritage and customs. 

    Bartle was not a Native American, but claimed he was "inducted into a local tribute of the Arapaho people," according to Mohawk journalist Vincent Schilling. Bartle was called "Lone Bear," and later came to be colloquially known as "Chief."
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,112
    edited July 2021
    When I was in the Boy Scouts I was in Order of the Arrow.  It was a service organization that emphasized a lot of Native American traditions and beliefs.  I signed up to be a traditional dancer.  I made my own costume, dressed up and performed for various troops and other organizations.  I learned a lot, it was fun and very respectful.  I don’t see anything wrong with what bartle or myself did.  

    I even remember meeting with the Koshare dance team from Colorado, they were the freaking best out there.  They showed us pointers on how to dance and what to add to our costume.  They thought it was great that we were sharing their culture with the world.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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