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I have zero expertise in this, but I think some vaccines are MRNA and the others are the traditional style. Perhaps the SARS one led to the non-MRNA. I also read in that stat article I posted earlier that (at the time of the publishing last year) there had never been an MRNA vaccine used.Zod said:
I thought I'd read that they made a vaccine for SARS, and that vaccine is kind of gave them a legs up on using the same tech for a Covid19 vaccine?mrussel1 said:
This was the first vaccine using the technology I believe. Definitely wouldn't call it rushed, rather groundbreaking.Halifax2TheMax said:
But I thought the mRNA vaccine was rushed, being all new and all?gvn2fly1421 said:Weird then that he is still parading himself on twitter that way and his website still claims that. Regardless, I think his points are pretty spot on.
https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventorIT ALL STARTED WHEN…
Dr. Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccines (and DNA vaccines). He also discovered lipid mediated and naked RNA transfection technologies.
It all started when he was at the Salk Institute in 1987 and 1988. There, he pioneered in-vitro RNA transfection and also in-vivo RNA transfection (in frog embryos, as well as mice).
This resulted in his seminal paper: Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection RW Malone, PL Felgner, IM Verma. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) 86 (16), 6077-6081His filed patent and disclosures from the Salk included in-vivo RNA transfection and also methods for mRNA stabilization - now being claimed as invented by others. These are available for review.
His research was continued at Vical in 1989, where the first in-vivo mammalian rat experiments were designed by him. The mRNA, constructs, reagents were developed at the Salk institute and at Vical by Dr. Malone, this included dosing amounts for the in-vivo experiments. RNA and DNA were sent to Dr. Jon Wolff via Fedex. Dr.Wolff at the University of Wisconsin injected mice and rats. The initial patent disclosures for RNA and DNA vaccination were written by Dr. Malone in 1988-1989. Dr. Malone was also an inventor of DNA vaccines in 1988 and 1989.
This body of work resulted in over 10 patents and numerous publications, yielding about 7000 citations for this work. The paper was the first showing data for DNA and RNA side by side for in-vivo (the first paper for in-vivo DNA):Direct gene transfer into mouse muscle in vivo. Wolff JA, Malone RW, et al. Science. 1990;247(4949 Pt 1):1465-8. Cited in 4,750 articles, is the result of that work.
In 1989, research was performed that gave rise to the 10+ groundbreaking patents on mRNA vaccination, all with a priority date of March 3, 1989. This is the same priority date as the Salk Patent application, showing that the two institutions were working together (without Robert’s knowledge). These patents are the first published research on mRNA vaccination. The titles and links to the patents are listed in the documents below. These patents have proof of principle experiments on mRNA vaccines - that clearly document that the invention worked and that these are the first experiments showing this.
Vical was to license the Salk Technology. Instead, they hired Robert’s thesis advisor from the Salk and soon after, the Salk dropped the patent and Vical never pursued a license from the Salk. Due to an employee contract with Vical, this stopped Robert from working in the field commercially for a decade. Vical claimed all the Salk research happened at Vical and sent a cease and desist letter.
Dr. Malone carried on his research into mRNA vaccination during the 1990s, culminating in a mucosal patent that was issued in 2000. He also helped revolutionized the field of cationic liposomes for the use in RNA vaccinations. This work was so far ahead of its time, that only now is the world turning to mucosal mRNA vaccination as a method of immunization. For a listing of some of his work, see the publications at the end of this page.
Scientifically trained at UC Davis, UC San Diego, and at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology laboratories, Dr. Malone received his medical training at Northwestern University (MD) and Harvard University Medical School (Clinical Research Post Graduate) , and in Pathology at UC Davis, He has almost 100 peer-reviewed publications, and has been an invited speaker at about 50 conferences.0 -
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mrussel1 said:
I have zero expertise in this, but I think some vaccines are MRNA and the others are the traditional style. Perhaps the SARS one led to the non-MRNA. I also read in that stat article I posted earlier that (at the time of the publishing last year) there had never been an MRNA vaccine used.Zod said:
I thought I'd read that they made a vaccine for SARS, and that vaccine is kind of gave them a legs up on using the same tech for a Covid19 vaccine?mrussel1 said:
This was the first vaccine using the technology I believe. Definitely wouldn't call it rushed, rather groundbreaking.Halifax2TheMax said:
But I thought the mRNA vaccine was rushed, being all new and all?gvn2fly1421 said:Weird then that he is still parading himself on twitter that way and his website still claims that. Regardless, I think his points are pretty spot on.
https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventorIT ALL STARTED WHEN…
Dr. Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccines (and DNA vaccines). He also discovered lipid mediated and naked RNA transfection technologies.
It all started when he was at the Salk Institute in 1987 and 1988. There, he pioneered in-vitro RNA transfection and also in-vivo RNA transfection (in frog embryos, as well as mice).
This resulted in his seminal paper: Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection RW Malone, PL Felgner, IM Verma. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) 86 (16), 6077-6081His filed patent and disclosures from the Salk included in-vivo RNA transfection and also methods for mRNA stabilization - now being claimed as invented by others. These are available for review.
His research was continued at Vical in 1989, where the first in-vivo mammalian rat experiments were designed by him. The mRNA, constructs, reagents were developed at the Salk institute and at Vical by Dr. Malone, this included dosing amounts for the in-vivo experiments. RNA and DNA were sent to Dr. Jon Wolff via Fedex. Dr.Wolff at the University of Wisconsin injected mice and rats. The initial patent disclosures for RNA and DNA vaccination were written by Dr. Malone in 1988-1989. Dr. Malone was also an inventor of DNA vaccines in 1988 and 1989.
This body of work resulted in over 10 patents and numerous publications, yielding about 7000 citations for this work. The paper was the first showing data for DNA and RNA side by side for in-vivo (the first paper for in-vivo DNA):Direct gene transfer into mouse muscle in vivo. Wolff JA, Malone RW, et al. Science. 1990;247(4949 Pt 1):1465-8. Cited in 4,750 articles, is the result of that work.
In 1989, research was performed that gave rise to the 10+ groundbreaking patents on mRNA vaccination, all with a priority date of March 3, 1989. This is the same priority date as the Salk Patent application, showing that the two institutions were working together (without Robert’s knowledge). These patents are the first published research on mRNA vaccination. The titles and links to the patents are listed in the documents below. These patents have proof of principle experiments on mRNA vaccines - that clearly document that the invention worked and that these are the first experiments showing this.
Vical was to license the Salk Technology. Instead, they hired Robert’s thesis advisor from the Salk and soon after, the Salk dropped the patent and Vical never pursued a license from the Salk. Due to an employee contract with Vical, this stopped Robert from working in the field commercially for a decade. Vical claimed all the Salk research happened at Vical and sent a cease and desist letter.
Dr. Malone carried on his research into mRNA vaccination during the 1990s, culminating in a mucosal patent that was issued in 2000. He also helped revolutionized the field of cationic liposomes for the use in RNA vaccinations. This work was so far ahead of its time, that only now is the world turning to mucosal mRNA vaccination as a method of immunization. For a listing of some of his work, see the publications at the end of this page.
Scientifically trained at UC Davis, UC San Diego, and at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology laboratories, Dr. Malone received his medical training at Northwestern University (MD) and Harvard University Medical School (Clinical Research Post Graduate) , and in Pathology at UC Davis, He has almost 100 peer-reviewed publications, and has been an invited speaker at about 50 conferences.no expertise you say?speak authority then my friend......_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Oh no! Moscow Mitchy Baby has seen the light! POOTWH is going to be pissed now! Pissed I tell ya! And in 2022 they’ll all be telling everyone how ardent they were in the fight against covid but for that radical leftist Biden Administration.
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The UK won't approve vaccinations for children under 18. Thoughts?I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
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^^ Their experts said the low level of illness not worth risk of myocarditis-periocarditis unless immunocompromised.
30 UK children died to date.
Edit: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people
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tish said:^^ Their experts said the low level of illness not worth risk of myocarditis-periocarditis unless immunocompromised.
30 UK children died to date.
Edit: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-peopletish said:^^ Their experts said the low level of illness not worth risk of myocarditis-periocarditis unless immunocompromised.
30 UK children died to date.
Edit: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-peopleI suppose the challenge is that getting to herd immunity is almost impossible if kids aren't vaccinated. Here in Canada we seem to be topping out at 80% for people over the age of 12.. but for the whole population I think that's less than 70% so not enough for herd immunity, which does mean the virus would keep circulating around the unvaccinated, probably mutate and increases the odds of a vaccine resistant strain?It's a pretty tough thing. The argument in that article assumes nothing changes.. but it there are risks in not try to stamp out the virus as much as you can?0 -
I wonder what happens when all the kids have had covid instead. Loads of kids getting it here atm
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Many problems are from unvaccinated adults and its not all by choice. The countries where no vaccine is available is where this plot thickens. I still say international travel should be stopped for good while . So places have half a chance to heal and help other countries that are way poorer fight.
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Summary
Since April 2021, increased cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have been reported in the United States after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna), particularly in adolescents and young adults. There has not been a similar reporting pattern observed after receipt of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine (Johnson & Johnson).
In most cases, patients who presented for medical care have responded well to medications and rest and had prompt improvement of symptoms. Reported cases have occurred predominantly in male adolescents and young adults 16 years of age and older. Onset was typically within several days after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, and cases have occurred more often after the second dose than the first dose. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports of myocarditis and pericarditis following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older given the risk of COVID-19 illness and related, possibly severe complications, such as long-term health problems, hospitalization, and even death.
Background
Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the lining outside the heart. In both cases, the body’s immune system is causing inflammation in response to an infection or some other trigger. Symptoms can include chest pain, shortness of breath, or palpitations.
The severity of cases of myocarditis and pericarditis can vary. For the cases reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, most who presented to medical care have responded well to medications and rest.
Recommendations for Clinicians
- CDC continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older given the greater risk of other serious complications related to COVID-19, such as hospitalization, multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), or death.
- Report all cases of myocarditis and pericarditis post COVID-19 vaccination to VAERSexternal icon.
- Consider myocarditis and pericarditis in adolescents or young adults with acute chest pain, shortness of breath, or palpitations. In this younger population, coronary events are less likely to be a source of these symptoms.
- Ask about prior COVID-19 vaccination if you identify these symptoms, as well as relevant other medical, travel, and social history.
- For initial evaluation, consider an ECG, troponin level, and inflammatory markers such as C-reactive protein and erythrocyte sedimentation rate. In the setting of normal ECG, troponin, and inflammatory markers, myocarditis or pericarditis are unlikely.
- For suspected cases, consider consultation with cardiology for assistance with cardiac evaluation and management. Evaluation and management may vary depending on the patient age, clinical presentation, potential causes, or practice preference of the provider.
- For follow-up of patients with myocarditis, consult the new guidance from the American Heart Associationexternal icon.
- It is important to rule out other potential causes of myocarditis
and pericarditis. Consider consultation with infectious disease and/or
rheumatology to assist in this evaluation.
- Where available, evaluate for potential etiologies of myocarditis and pericarditis, particularly acute COVID-19 infection (e.g., PCR testing), prior SARS-CoV-2 infection (e.g., detection of SARS-CoV-2 nucleocapsid antibodies), and other viral etiologies (e.g., enterovirus PCR and comprehensive respiratory viral pathogen testing).
For more information- NIH materials on myocarditis and pericarditisexternal icon
- Frequently asked questions about VAERS reporting for COVID-19 vaccines VAERS – FAQs (hhs.gov)external icon
- How to report to VAERSexternal icon
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Scary stuff if you are a parent.
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https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/
5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland
According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.
This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.
Also, closer to home... The number was 6,000 last week.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
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This is the classic correlation, not causation situation. From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine. People die all the time, every day. Scotland's vax rate is over 50%. So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation. It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.gvn2fly1421 said:https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland
According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.
This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.
Also, closer to home... The number was 6,000 last week.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation. @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question. Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links? How could you think this isn't misleading?0 -
About his source....mrussel1 said:
This is the classic correlation, not causation situation. From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine. People die all the time, every day. Scotland's vax rate is over 50%. So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation. It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.gvn2fly1421 said:https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland
According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.
This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.
Also, closer to home... The number was 6,000 last week.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation. @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question. Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links? How could you think this isn't misleading?
Website makes false claims about vaccines and miscarriages
https://fullfact.org/online/Covid-vaccine-miscarriage-false/
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The daily expose? For fuck sakes. What a fucking joke. Does not matter what the thread name is. This thread is classic Facebook bullshit…nice going.Give Peas A Chance…0
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Kat said:We're going to stay on topic, thank you.
-->Discuss the topic and not the people discussing the topic.
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And you see no problem with how covid deaths were counted, correct? 30-60 days after a positive test if you passed away it was counted as a covid death. You see no issue with that, yet would like to label the links above as misinformation? I posted numerous links of gunshot victims, motorcycle crashes, etc. all counted as covid deaths, yet you are ok with that because it fits the narrative your party would like it to fit.mrussel1 said:
This is the classic correlation, not causation situation. From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine. People die all the time, every day. Scotland's vax rate is over 50%. So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation. It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.gvn2fly1421 said:https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland
According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.
This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.
Also, closer to home... The number was 6,000 last week.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation. @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question. Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links? How could you think this isn't misleading?
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