Viruses / Vaccines

mrussel1

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

This is the classic correlation, not causation situation.  From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine.  People die all the time, every day.  Scotland's vax rate is over 50%.  So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation.  It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.  

Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation.  @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question.  Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links?  How could you think this isn't misleading?

And you see no problem with how covid deaths were counted, correct?  30-60 days after a positive test if you passed away it was counted as a covid death.  You see no issue with that, yet would like to label the links above as misinformation?  I posted numerous links of gunshot victims, motorcycle crashes, etc. all counted as covid deaths, yet you are ok with that because it fits the narrative your party would like it to fit.  

Okay so you're arguing that COVID isn't dangerous, and the path to that argument is spreading other misinformation.  Do I have that right?  

gvn2fly1421

Meltdown99 said:

The daily expose?  For fuck sakes.  What a fucking joke.  Does not matter what the thread name is.  This thread is classic Facebook bullshit…nice going.

Is a link to the Public Health of Scotland better, Francis?  Which by the way, the article clearly links.

https://publichealthscotland.scot/publications/covid-19-statistical-report/covid-19-statistical-report-23-june-2021/

mickeyrat

changed any minds yet? might thought too busy living life but here we are

mrussel1

gvn2fly1421 said:

Meltdown99 said:

The daily expose?  For fuck sakes.  What a fucking joke.  Does not matter what the thread name is.  This thread is classic Facebook bullshit…nice going.

Is a link to the Public Health of Scotland better, Francis?  Which by the way, the article clearly links.

https://publichealthscotland.scot/publications/covid-19-statistical-report/covid-19-statistical-report-23-june-2021/

No one argued that the numbers were wrong, it's the conclusion.  Think before you post man.  Try to think critically.  

benjs

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

Another lovely find. 
1) Nowhere in the data does it state that the the deaths were due to these vaccines, or even CoVID-19! The "Daily Expose"/"daily crock of shit" decided to add that statement in themselves.
2) Nowhere in this article does it state the anticipated number of deaths over this period of time, nor that these are excess deaths (i.e. amount of fatalities above the anticipated amount across a society)

Until these two questions are answered, what is one supposed to get out of your post?

Merkin Baller

Awesome thread.

Great job, mods. 

gvn2fly1421

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

This is the classic correlation, not causation situation.  From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine.  People die all the time, every day.  Scotland's vax rate is over 50%.  So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation.  It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.  

Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation.  @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question.  Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links?  How could you think this isn't misleading?

And you see no problem with how covid deaths were counted, correct?  30-60 days after a positive test if you passed away it was counted as a covid death.  You see no issue with that, yet would like to label the links above as misinformation?  I posted numerous links of gunshot victims, motorcycle crashes, etc. all counted as covid deaths, yet you are ok with that because it fits the narrative your party would like it to fit.  

Okay so you're arguing that COVID isn't dangerous, and the path to that argument is spreading other misinformation.  Do I have that right?  

For me, obviously one of the vaccine hesitant, I am arguing that there is a risk for me either way, catching the virus or getting the vaccine.  Now, I feel both of those risks would be small to me, considering I am a relatively healthy under 40 male.  I have chosen to forgo the vaccine until we have some real, long term data showing me that the vaccine is truly "safe and effective".  

Imagine with me something so "safe and effective" that we have to be told over and over again how safe and effective it is.  The safety is obviously up in the air with all the side effects and possible death related to it, and the effectiveness is questionable as well seeing as how all of these people are catching the virus and still spreading it and still having their lives disrupted.  

And because I have been here numerous times on this board, I know what comes next...  But the vaccine will reduce the symptoms of covid.  Right, the same virus that most people do not even know they have.  Those symptoms.  Again, I think most on this board think if you get covid you are either going to the hospital for an extended trip or going to die, both of which are so low odds of happening, let's say the same chance of having something bad happen when taking the vaccine, that I personally would rather take my chance with the virus.

I honestly do not see why my stance is so controversial to the point of being called names.  And also, imagine wanting to be the keeper of what data/information gets published and what doesn't...  Yikes, now that is scary...

hedonist

Merkin Baller said:

Awesome thread.

Great job, mods. 

Yup, no shit! Another new one next week?

Third time, charm, yada yada

benjs

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

You're amongst a great audience on that site, btw. Check out Sorcha's posts on the comments here - https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/20/covid-vaccines-are-killing-people-at-a-79-higher-rate-than-covid-19-in-the-uk-according-to-statistics/

Halifax2TheMax

One side posts conspiracy theories and deliberate misinformation and the other fact based science. Same-same.

cblock4life

gvn2fly1421 said:

Kat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Kat said:

Thank you, RunIntoTheRain. It's important that we're not spreading misinformation here. 

For the record Kat, I was not trying to spread misinformation at all.  At one time, everything I posted was true.  Until, it wasn't. 

We're aware of that. If there is a next time, please be sure to correct or edit your post or make a new post or request your post be deleted with us so we don't need to do the correcting. Thank you.

I didn't know a correction was made until I saw the post above, which I thought did a good job of updating my original post.  

Kind of dangerous being the misinformation police IMO.  At what point will the line be drawn?  Cincy's post above seems to be misinformation.  Will an update be coming to that?

My suggestion to all is to just stop engaging with you.  We know where you stand and vice versa.  You can believe what you want and you’re free to make decisions for yourself.  

Pretty sure that’s Kat’s job 

gimmesometruth27

in before the lock

gimmesometruth27

why don't we just post articles from imjustaskingquestionsman.com....

and we wonder why we are not further along in our coming out of this thing.

cincybearcat

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

This is the classic correlation, not causation situation.  From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine.  People die all the time, every day.  Scotland's vax rate is over 50%.  So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation.  It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.  

Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation.  @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question.  Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links?  How could you think this isn't misleading?

And you see no problem with how covid deaths were counted, correct?  30-60 days after a positive test if you passed away it was counted as a covid death.  You see no issue with that, yet would like to label the links above as misinformation?  I posted numerous links of gunshot victims, motorcycle crashes, etc. all counted as covid deaths, yet you are ok with that because it fits the narrative your party would like it to fit.  

Okay so you're arguing that COVID isn't dangerous, and the path to that argument is spreading other misinformation.  Do I have that right?  

For me, obviously one of the vaccine hesitant, I am arguing that there is a risk for me either way, catching the virus or getting the vaccine.  Now, I feel both of those risks would be small to me, considering I am a relatively healthy under 40 male.  I have chosen to forgo the vaccine until we have some real, long term data showing me that the vaccine is truly "safe and effective".  

Imagine with me something so "safe and effective" that we have to be told over and over again how safe and effective it is.  The safety is obviously up in the air with all the side effects and possible death related to it, and the effectiveness is questionable as well seeing as how all of these people are catching the virus and still spreading it and still having their lives disrupted.  

And because I have been here numerous times on this board, I know what comes next...  But the vaccine will reduce the symptoms of covid.  Right, the same virus that most people do not even know they have.  Those symptoms.  Again, I think most on this board think if you get covid you are either going to the hospital for an extended trip or going to die, both of which are so low odds of happening, let's say the same chance of having something bad happen when taking the vaccine, that I personally would rather take my chance with the virus.

I honestly do not see why my stance is so controversial to the point of being called names.  And also, imagine wanting to be the keeper of what data/information gets published and what doesn't...  Yikes, now that is scary...

Forgo the vaccine you say?  In the coronavirus thread you got closed, you stated:

" Like I said, I am fully vaccinated now and a lot of it is your analysis.  So many thanks!"

Or am I reading one of these posts wrong? Cause you can't be vaccinated and have "chosen to forgo the vaccine"

Ledbetterman10

gimmesometruth27 said:

in before the lock

Why? This is one aspect of "interneting" that I'll just never understand; the people that need to be "in before the lock." Well you're in. Good to have ya. 

gvn2fly1421

cincybearcat said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

This is the classic correlation, not causation situation.  From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine.  People die all the time, every day.  Scotland's vax rate is over 50%.  So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation.  It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.  

Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation.  @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question.  Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links?  How could you think this isn't misleading?

And you see no problem with how covid deaths were counted, correct?  30-60 days after a positive test if you passed away it was counted as a covid death.  You see no issue with that, yet would like to label the links above as misinformation?  I posted numerous links of gunshot victims, motorcycle crashes, etc. all counted as covid deaths, yet you are ok with that because it fits the narrative your party would like it to fit.  

Okay so you're arguing that COVID isn't dangerous, and the path to that argument is spreading other misinformation.  Do I have that right?  

For me, obviously one of the vaccine hesitant, I am arguing that there is a risk for me either way, catching the virus or getting the vaccine.  Now, I feel both of those risks would be small to me, considering I am a relatively healthy under 40 male.  I have chosen to forgo the vaccine until we have some real, long term data showing me that the vaccine is truly "safe and effective".  

Imagine with me something so "safe and effective" that we have to be told over and over again how safe and effective it is.  The safety is obviously up in the air with all the side effects and possible death related to it, and the effectiveness is questionable as well seeing as how all of these people are catching the virus and still spreading it and still having their lives disrupted.  

And because I have been here numerous times on this board, I know what comes next...  But the vaccine will reduce the symptoms of covid.  Right, the same virus that most people do not even know they have.  Those symptoms.  Again, I think most on this board think if you get covid you are either going to the hospital for an extended trip or going to die, both of which are so low odds of happening, let's say the same chance of having something bad happen when taking the vaccine, that I personally would rather take my chance with the virus.

I honestly do not see why my stance is so controversial to the point of being called names.  And also, imagine wanting to be the keeper of what data/information gets published and what doesn't...  Yikes, now that is scary...

Forgo the vaccine you say?  In the coronavirus thread you got closed, you stated:

" Like I said, I am fully vaccinated now and a lot of it is your analysis.  So many thanks!"

Or am I reading one of these posts wrong? Cause you can't be vaccinated and have "chosen to forgo the vaccine"

I thought my sarcasm meter was off the charts with posts like...

"BTW, for those wondering, I am fully vaccinated now.  I would show you my card but I only posted it to my Facebook.  Took one shot of Pfizer and one Moderna.  Ready for the Pfizer booster in 4-6 months and may get the J&J in a few weeks for extra protection!"

or...

"To help spur a vaccine drive for my area, very redneck-y if you catch my drift, I am going to do several raffles.  Guns, booze, American flags, truck nuts, the works.  I will report back in several weeks and let y'all know how I do.  Just trying to spread the word on the power of the vaccine.  I really didn't even experience any side effects, just couldn't use my right arm for three days, which was really weird.  You know like when you get dental work and they numb your mouth and your lips feel like they are droopy.  That's what my right arm felt like.  The weird part was I got the jab in the left arm.  Oh well, I am rambling now. "

...but apparently it was not clear enough.  BTW, how is that 401k looking?  Probably not much different than two days ago when you blamed the "Unvaxxed-holes" or was it "Antivax-holes" for your retirement savings being depleted.  

mrussel1

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

This is the classic correlation, not causation situation.  From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine.  People die all the time, every day.  Scotland's vax rate is over 50%.  So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation.  It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.  

Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation.  @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question.  Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links?  How could you think this isn't misleading?

And you see no problem with how covid deaths were counted, correct?  30-60 days after a positive test if you passed away it was counted as a covid death.  You see no issue with that, yet would like to label the links above as misinformation?  I posted numerous links of gunshot victims, motorcycle crashes, etc. all counted as covid deaths, yet you are ok with that because it fits the narrative your party would like it to fit.  

Okay so you're arguing that COVID isn't dangerous, and the path to that argument is spreading other misinformation.  Do I have that right?  

For me, obviously one of the vaccine hesitant, I am arguing that there is a risk for me either way, catching the virus or getting the vaccine.  Now, I feel both of those risks would be small to me, considering I am a relatively healthy under 40 male.  I have chosen to forgo the vaccine until we have some real, long term data showing me that the vaccine is truly "safe and effective".  

Imagine with me something so "safe and effective" that we have to be told over and over again how safe and effective it is.  The safety is obviously up in the air with all the side effects and possible death related to it, and the effectiveness is questionable as well seeing as how all of these people are catching the virus and still spreading it and still having their lives disrupted.  

And because I have been here numerous times on this board, I know what comes next...  But the vaccine will reduce the symptoms of covid.  Right, the same virus that most people do not even know they have.  Those symptoms.  Again, I think most on this board think if you get covid you are either going to the hospital for an extended trip or going to die, both of which are so low odds of happening, let's say the same chance of having something bad happen when taking the vaccine, that I personally would rather take my chance with the virus.

I honestly do not see why my stance is so controversial to the point of being called names.  And also, imagine wanting to be the keeper of what data/information gets published and what doesn't...  Yikes, now that is scary...

This post is reasonable; however, the 'evidence' you choose to share is misinformation and unreasonable.  While many here can probably understand vaccine hesitant (while not agreeing with it), posting bullshit is level deeper.  That's attempting to either justify or influence others using poor reasoning and conclusions.  That's what pisses people off (at least that's what pisses me off).  And I'm only pissed off because I know there are lots of people who read these posts without commenting.  

Poncier

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

This is the classic correlation, not causation situation.  From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine.  People die all the time, every day.  Scotland's vax rate is over 50%.  So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation.  It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.  

Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation.  @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question.  Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links?  How could you think this isn't misleading?

And you see no problem with how covid deaths were counted, correct?  30-60 days after a positive test if you passed away it was counted as a covid death.  You see no issue with that, yet would like to label the links above as misinformation?  I posted numerous links of gunshot victims, motorcycle crashes, etc. all counted as covid deaths, yet you are ok with that because it fits the narrative your party would like it to fit.  

Okay so you're arguing that COVID isn't dangerous, and the path to that argument is spreading other misinformation.  Do I have that right?  

For me, obviously one of the vaccine hesitant, I am arguing that there is a risk for me either way, catching the virus or getting the vaccine.  Now, I feel both of those risks would be small to me, considering I am a relatively healthy under 40 male.  I have chosen to forgo the vaccine until we have some real, long term data showing me that the vaccine is truly "safe and effective".  

Imagine with me something so "safe and effective" that we have to be told over and over again how safe and effective it is.  The safety is obviously up in the air with all the side effects and possible death related to it, and the effectiveness is questionable as well seeing as how all of these people are catching the virus and still spreading it and still having their lives disrupted.  

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No issue with your choice to remain unvaccinated...issue is when you willfully and knowingly post misleading as well as out right false information as you have done on a number of occasions.

Ledbetterman10

A co-worker of mine says she knows three fully-vaccinated people that caught COVID and were hospitalized. I wonder if that's the Delta Variant at work. Is there any data out there suggesting that vaccinated people being hospitalized is due to the variant? 

Bentleyspop

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/18/5522-people-have-died-within-28-days-of-having-a-covid-19-vaccine-in-scotland-according-to-public-health-scotland/

5,522 people have died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 Vaccine in Scotland according to Public Health Scotland

According to the spreadsheet provided by Public Health Scotland; which includes the quantity of deaths by type of vaccine and the date they occurred, 1,877 deaths have been due to the Pfizer mRNA jab, 3,643 deaths have been due to the AstraZeneca viral vector jab, and 2 deaths have been due to the Moderna mRNA jab.

This equates to an average of 920 deaths occurring every month due to the Covid-19 vaccines in Scotland alone. Outnumbering the average number of people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland by 866 per month.

Also, closer to home...  The number was 6,000 last week.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

This is the classic correlation, not causation situation.  From what is here, you can not declare that the cause of death within 28 days was the vaccine.  People die all the time, every day.  Scotland's vax rate is over 50%.  So comparing deaths of vaccinated people to COVID 19 deaths (which this paper did), is the very definition of misinformation.  It's misleading, unclear and leads people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions.  

Were I the moderator, I would take down this post or at least mark it as misinformation.  @gvn2fly1421 - this is a serious question.  Do you critically think about what you post before you post it, or are you just grabbing links?  How could you think this isn't misleading?

And you see no problem with how covid deaths were counted, correct?  30-60 days after a positive test if you passed away it was counted as a covid death.  You see no issue with that, yet would like to label the links above as misinformation?  I posted numerous links of gunshot victims, motorcycle crashes, etc. all counted as covid deaths, yet you are ok with that because it fits the narrative your party would like it to fit.  

Okay so you're arguing that COVID isn't dangerous, and the path to that argument is spreading other misinformation.  Do I have that right?  

For me, obviously one of the vaccine hesitant, I am arguing that there is a risk for me either way, catching the virus or getting the vaccine.  Now, I feel both of those risks would be small to me, considering I am a relatively healthy under 40 male.  I have chosen to forgo the vaccine until we have some real, long term data showing me that the vaccine is truly "safe and effective".  

Imagine with me something so "safe and effective" that we have to be told over and over again how safe and effective it is.  The safety is obviously up in the air with all the side effects and possible death related to it, and the effectiveness is questionable as well seeing as how all of these people are catching the virus and still spreading it and still having their lives disrupted.  

And because I have been here numerous times on this board, I know what comes next...  But the vaccine will reduce the symptoms of covid.  Right, the same virus that most people do not even know they have.  Those symptoms.  Again, I think most on this board think if you get covid you are either going to the hospital for an extended trip or going to die, both of which are so low odds of happening, let's say the same chance of having something bad happen when taking the vaccine, that I personally would rather take my chance with the virus.

I honestly do not see why my stance is so controversial to the point of being called names.  And also, imagine wanting to be the keeper of what data/information gets published and what doesn't...  Yikes, now that is scary...

Part of the problem is your source material and how you present it.

If you want to be un-vaxxed that's your choice.
However, it is a selfish act with no consideration for those around you.
What we do know is that if you are vaccinated you have a much greater chance of not getting sick even with a positive test.
We also know by not getting vaccinated you have a greater chance of death for yourself and those around you.
Life is about the choices we make.
Some live and die because of their choices.

Namaste