UK tribute band getting a cease and desist

Lost In Ohio · January 2021

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

lastexitlondon said:

Can't stand the foo s
Not for me.

They have a few songs that I absolutely love. Stacked Actors and White Limo for sure.

But yeah...now it seems manufactured. And their live shows are scripted as hell. A few years back I saw them in like September and then again in May. They did the same fucking show with a few exceptions and TOLD THE SAME FUCKING JOKES during breaks.

this is how a lot of bands operate. we've been spoiled into thinking the way PJ does it is the norm. it isn't.

One good thing (I'm guessing) about carbon-copy shows is that their fans probably don't travel as much. If they do 18 songs a show and they only have 22-24 possibilities, their fans aren't as likely to travel. This obviously means that local/nearby fans are more likely to get tickets.

One thing that does fecking annoying me? The way that Pearl Jam announces tours. They announce for South America for March and April. Rumors about Europe (June/July) and USA (September-November) are strong.

If they announced all three continents at once, people would be less likely to buy for other continents due to closer shows being officially announced.

The way Pearl Jam (and the Dead before them) do it is completely different. Say they do 32-35 songs per show and there's 300 songs they've played lifetime...not counting unique stuff like improvs, Outta My Mind and "One Note"... That's...how many billions of possible setlists? Someone else can run those permutations.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2021

Lost In Ohio said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

lastexitlondon said:

Can't stand the foo s
Not for me.

They have a few songs that I absolutely love. Stacked Actors and White Limo for sure.

But yeah...now it seems manufactured. And their live shows are scripted as hell. A few years back I saw them in like September and then again in May. They did the same fucking show with a few exceptions and TOLD THE SAME FUCKING JOKES during breaks.

this is how a lot of bands operate. we've been spoiled into thinking the way PJ does it is the norm. it isn't.

One good thing (I'm guessing) about carbon-copy shows is that their fans probably don't travel as much. If they do 18 songs a show and they only have 22-24 possibilities, their fans aren't as likely to travel. This obviously means that local/nearby fans are more likely to get tickets.

One thing that does fecking annoying me? The way that Pearl Jam announces tours. They announce for South America for March and April. Rumors about Europe (June/July) and USA (September-November) are strong.

If they announced all three continents at once, people would be less likely to buy for other continents due to closer shows being officially announced.

The way Pearl Jam (and the Dead before them) do it is completely different. Say they do 32-35 songs per show and there's 300 songs they've played lifetime...not counting unique stuff like improvs, Outta My Mind and "One Note"... That's...how many billions of possible setlists? Someone else can run those permutations.

yeah, living in a city they've visited twice (3 times if you count Sunfest in Gimli) over 30 years, it's been so hard to decide if I should travel or hope for a hometown show.

the thing about carbon copy shows: if you are a canadian band that is successful in canada and australia only, and have a tendency to release live albums, make sure your setlists and banter from tour to tour and live release to live release don't have all the same banter.

I'm looking at you, Tea Party/Jeff Martin. (he has released 3 or so live albums from different tours-ALL OF THEM HAVE THE SAME BETWEEN SONG BANTER)

FR181798 · January 2021

The bands management are there to look after their interest. Its not surprising the lawyers are saying the band is behind this as it sort of carries more weight to do so but it seems a stretch to think that band members are actively seeking out tribute acts and instructing threatening letters be sent out, sounds more like a management decision, I would be surprised if the band has much to do with mundane day to day stuff like this.

The name does just seem a little too close but then there are other tributes acts doing similar. A lot of tribute acts use a similar logo to the group they are a tribute to, so much so that you have to really look closely at the ads. Ive certainly looked twice. Then you have websites that seem to get confused by tribute acts.

Yes it would have been nicer if they were politely asked in a more personal way from management but also dont see it as the band members job to go phoning up tribute acts.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2021

FR181798 said:

The bands management are there to look after their interest. Its not surprising the lawyers are saying the band is behind this as it sort of carries more weight to do so but it seems a stretch to think that band members are actively seeking out tribute acts and instructing threatening letters be sent out, sounds more like a management decision, I would be surprised if the band has much to do with mundane day to day stuff like this.

The name does just seem a little too close but then there are other tributes acts doing similar. A lot of tribute acts use a similar logo to the group they are a tribute to, so much so that you have to really look closely at the ads. Ive certainly looked twice. Then you have websites that seem to get confused by tribute acts.

Yes it would have been nicer if they were politely asked in a more personal way from management but also dont see it as the band members job to go phoning up tribute acts.

agreed.

ry75guy · January 2021

mattcoz said:

It might also be an issue of needing to defend their trademark. I'm not a lawyer, but it is my understanding that they are required to defend their trademark against infringement or risk losing it. This would need to be done legally and not with a friendly letter. But, again, not a lawyer, so I may be wrong.

It believe it's this. It comes up at work for me. I assume 100% not personal from the band. If you do not fight off infringement of your copyright, you will be at risk of losing it. See Kleenex, Xerox, Nintendo and Velcro as examples of having to fight for their copyright. I also do think there is an added layer of people getting the bands confused. Just the fact that Band Is In Town confused them with each other is enough to make copyright lawyers worry.

on2legs · January 2021

I wonder if Pearl Jamm released their annual singles on time.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2021

on2legs said:

I wonder if Pearl Jamm released their annual singles on time.

Decemberr of every year

mattcoz · January 2021

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rummy said:

Off topic but the Foos are bigger than PJ? Damn.

They are a huge (the biggest?) mainstream rock band...

Pearl Jam played for something like 23.000 people here (And couldn't sell out that arena fully)

Foo Fighters play for 50.000+ people here. Like Metallica, Guns. Bruce etc.

Hmm, Foo Fighters played Wrigley and it wasn't nearly as big of a deal as when Pearl Jam did. I got tickets at the last minute and even walked around to find a better seat.

mcgruff10 · January 2021

mattcoz said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rummy said:

Off topic but the Foos are bigger than PJ? Damn.

They are a huge (the biggest?) mainstream rock band...

Pearl Jam played for something like 23.000 people here (And couldn't sell out that arena fully)

Foo Fighters play for 50.000+ people here. Like Metallica, Guns. Bruce etc.

Hmm, Foo Fighters played Wrigley and it wasn't nearly as big of a deal as when Pearl Jam did. I got tickets at the last minute and even walked around to find a better seat.

I would bet that the foo s tour has a few more dates than pj.

igotid88 · January 2021

mattcoz said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rummy said:

Off topic but the Foos are bigger than PJ? Damn.

They are a huge (the biggest?) mainstream rock band...

Pearl Jam played for something like 23.000 people here (And couldn't sell out that arena fully)

Foo Fighters play for 50.000+ people here. Like Metallica, Guns. Bruce etc.

Hmm, Foo Fighters played Wrigley and it wasn't nearly as big of a deal as when Pearl Jam did. I got tickets at the last minute and even walked around to find a better seat.

I think he meant in his country

RatherBe · January 2021

Pearl Jamm as the name of a tribute band is as unimaginative as you can possibly get. It's basically a typo. There are so many different song titles and lyrics they could have used. If I had a tribute band I'd want something a little more creative and unique. I actually find it baffling

PorchRats · January 2021

PJ has gotten lamer and lamer over the years... sad to see 😕

igotid88 · January 2021

PorchRats said:

PJ has gotten lamer and lamer over the years... sad to see 😕

No

igotid88 · January 2021

Should have named themselves Pearl Jam 2

https://youtu.be/loFXQSgbNMg

desolatejoy · January 2021

pjl44 said:

Hobbes said:

Pearl Jam forcing a name change. We've come full circle.

These guys absolutely need to change the name to Mookie Blaylockk

Haha, yes to this!

Why not go the whole hog & go for Mookiee Blaayloock?!? 🤷🏻‍♂️😊👍🏻

drakeheuer14 · January 2021

Maybe Pear L’Jam is the next best option.

RatherBe · January 2021

PorchRats said:

PJ has gotten lamer and lamer over the years... sad to see 😕

Porch Rats would be a great name for a Pearl Jam tribute band.

GavinClydesdale · January 2021

Bit sad to see Pearl Jam become Ticketmaster and speak through lawyers.
I do agree the name is too close and some of the merch is too close to what's likely subject to copyright.
Would prefer the band approached the cover band informally gave them a grace period and then followed up with the cease and desist if the cover band hadn't followed through.
Always wondered did Dave Abbruzzese and the tattooist get permission from the copyright holder of the Stickman design (being Jeff) prior to getting the tattoo? Maybe the license fee was some beer?

HughFreakingDillon · January 2021

GavinClydesdale said:

Bit sad to see Pearl Jam become Ticketmaster and speak through lawyers.
I do agree the name is too close and some of the merch is too close to what's likely subject to copyright.
Would prefer the band approached the cover band informally gave them a grace period and then followed up with the cease and desist if the cover band hadn't followed through.
Always wondered did Dave Abbruzzese and the tattooist get permission from the copyright holder of the Stickman design (being Jeff) prior to getting the tattoo? Maybe the license fee was some beer?

well this jumped the shark.

GavinClydesdale · January 2021

They accused Ticketmaster of being a monopolist, the enforcement of IP rights is monopolistic by its very nature. I'm not saying that its not a justifiable use of a monopoly to protect their creative endeavours but that they could have went about it in a way more consistent with the Pearl Jam ethos.

UK tribute band getting a cease and desist

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