When the vaccine arrives

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    oftenreading said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    brianlux said:
    I can appreciate the concern, but I don't think it will come to that because I think most people will be eager to be vaccinated.  In the 50's, almost every kid was vaccinated for polio.   There were a small number of people who suffered as ill results of the vaccination, but the reduction in cases of that crippling disease far outweighed the negative results and you almost never hear anyone say that the vaccination was a bad idea.  With the huge number of cases of COVID and the millions of deaths, I don't think there will be much resistance to the vaccination.
    But there will be resistance. There are 330 million Americans? If 25 million refuse? If 50 million refuse? Then the virus just keeps on doing what it does, right? Spreads rapidly like it has for the last 8 months.  And we truly never get back to normal. Hell if only 5 million refuse, then we can never fully move on with our lives, right?

    I'm not a doctor, so I don't know this for certain, but don't viruses eventually die out?  Geez, I hope so! 
    What's your take, Speedy?  Should the vaccine be mandatory?
    do viruses usually peak in the spring summer and fall? If anything, covid has proved to be a persistent virus.
    Viruses don’t generally “die out”; they persist as long as they find hosts to infect. They can also mutate, which can make them more, or less, virulent. 

    Whether a virus peaks in the warmer months or the colder months depends on the type of virus, and probably the external membrane of the virus. 

    Our future with covid  depends on the duration of the immune response. If the majority of people who either get infected or get vaccinated develop a durable lifelong immunity, then we will eventually put SARS-CoV2 behind us, but this doesn’t seem like the most likely scenario. If immunity lasts in the order of months, then we will probably get yearly waves of infection. If immunity lasts for years, we’ll probably get sporadic waves for the foreseeable future. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,948
    i will have to get it. i am in and out of so many hospitals and surgery centers and they all have different requirements for entrance. i am sure some of the big ones here in st louis will mandate it, so i will have to get it.

    my concern is this. viruses tend to mutate. will the vaccine be able to prevent all potential mutations, or will the vaccine cause immunity to one very particular strain?

    i am not in epidemiology so i have no idea. none of my management has any idea either. we are just going to go along with what is required of us.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,237
    oftenreading said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    oftenreading said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
    brianlux said:
    I can appreciate the concern, but I don't think it will come to that because I think most people will be eager to be vaccinated.  In the 50's, almost every kid was vaccinated for polio.   There were a small number of people who suffered as ill results of the vaccination, but the reduction in cases of that crippling disease far outweighed the negative results and you almost never hear anyone say that the vaccination was a bad idea.  With the huge number of cases of COVID and the millions of deaths, I don't think there will be much resistance to the vaccination.
    But there will be resistance. There are 330 million Americans? If 25 million refuse? If 50 million refuse? Then the virus just keeps on doing what it does, right? Spreads rapidly like it has for the last 8 months.  And we truly never get back to normal. Hell if only 5 million refuse, then we can never fully move on with our lives, right?

    I'm not a doctor, so I don't know this for certain, but don't viruses eventually die out?  Geez, I hope so! 
    What's your take, Speedy?  Should the vaccine be mandatory?
    do viruses usually peak in the spring summer and fall? If anything, covid has proved to be a persistent virus.
    Viruses don’t generally “die out”; they persist as long as they find hosts to infect. They can also mutate, which can make them more, or less, virulent. 

    Whether a virus peaks in the warmer months or the colder months depends on the type of virus, and probably the external membrane of the virus. 

    Our future with covid  depends on the duration of the immune response. If the majority of people who either get infected or get vaccinated develop a durable lifelong immunity, then we will eventually put SARS-CoV2 behind us, but this doesn’t seem like the most likely scenario. If immunity lasts in the order of months, then we will probably get yearly waves of infection. If immunity lasts for years, we’ll probably get sporadic waves for the foreseeable future. 
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,967
    mattsl1983 said:
    Even if it’s federally approved, and backed by scientist?  Why question this of all things now when for the past 6 months there’s been a demand for a cure?  I really don’t get where people honestly come from in their statements.  In one regard, yes let’s end this and science with fix it, the other regard science has a good solution but I’m not sure.  I have no idea where the ethics of the most ethical group lay, and how what is the right  thing for humanity gets questioned when it comes time for that individual to actually stand up and face the fire.  I’m amused by the mental gymnastics.  The government should run healthcare, but we don’t trust them?

    Because they have been stocked by your buddy Trump, as of late, and he is not someone I would trust.  With anything.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,801
    mattsl1983 said:
    Even if it’s federally approved, and backed by scientist?  Why question this of all things now when for the past 6 months there’s been a demand for a cure?  I really don’t get where people honestly come from in their statements.  In one regard, yes let’s end this and science with fix it, the other regard science has a good solution but I’m not sure.  I have no idea where the ethics of the most ethical group lay, and how what is the right  thing for humanity gets questioned when it comes time for that individual to actually stand up and face the fire.  I’m amused by the mental gymnastics.  The government should run healthcare, but we don’t trust them?
    I think you over-rated us. 

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Except putting on a mask won't make me shit blood or die from something unseen
    oh good god. LMAO
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,943
    If they start putting lojacks on people to see if they have been vaccinated or not I'll be crying foul.

    That would be a huge step out of bounds for the government and the crazies will/would have every right to act up.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    they can't make it mandatory. but private companies can. ticketmaster and live nation most likely will force people to show some type of proof. as will professional sports teams. large restaurant chains will too. 

    only issue i foresee is if they make it mandatory to show proof, please don't let that proof be easy to recognize on people, like a wristband or something. we really don't need public shaming or people getting violent with those without one. put it on your driver's license or some other form of ID. "get yer covid card, heeeeere!" 
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    I cant see why anyone  would not take a vaccine  that has been proven in method. I can understand  fear in the mrna kind but i still would take that. 
    Too many people think they are scientist's.  
    If someone employed me to do my job they can expect i do it correctly.  
    Same with all the tests and clearances.  
    Vaccines have saved millions of lives . TB. MMR . FLU .MENINGITIS. PNEUMONIA , so many more. 
    I do think we have a population  here in uk who will deny vaccine for covid but take all the others. Its just madness to me.


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,102
    lastexitlondon said:
    I cant see why anyone  would not take a vaccine  that has been proven in method. I can understand  fear in the mrna kind but i still would take that. 
    Too many people think they are scientist's.  
    If someone employed me to do my job they can expect i do it correctly.  
    Same with all the tests and clearances.  
    Vaccines have saved millions of lives . TB. MMR . FLU .MENINGITIS. PNEUMONIA , so many more. 
    I do think we have a population  here in uk who will deny vaccine for covid but take all the others. Its just madness to me.
    the issue is no one knows the long term effects. and we can't. otherwise we'll be waiting this out for years. however, i saw the chief dude for operation warp speed (can't recall his name) and he said that 95% of long term effects for vaccines show up in the first 40-60 days, which is somewhat encouraging to me. 
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    Yes  i agree and if you take astra zenica vaccine  for example  we know a lot already as its the same as flu jab in method.  So we have a great insight.  The mrna kind i get worry but in these times its a global pandemic  and to stop the death of many we as a human race must  take that chance  and its a slim one  i think.just my view


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    Also someone had to take all those others for a first time and  we still take them now. Thats a good sign. I remember  when all these unfounded MMR tales of autism came around
     All proved no so. And look at the  cases of measles now rising because  people  didnt  vaccinate.  All 4 of my kids had the  MMR . We still immunize people of indian and Pakistani  origin here because  they mix with relatives that bring  TB into the  uk.  Both of those  jabs have been studied and seem to help with covid very interesting.  But i mean we need vaccines . Even when these new ones are independently  reviewed and start rolling out so many will say no
     That's  sad to me but its everyones  right  for sure to decide


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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    no one is stopping anyone from taking those vaccines.  Your body your choice.  My choice is not to take a vaccine that is being rushed to market...

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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 15,069
    Meltdown99 said:
    no one is stopping anyone from taking those vaccines.  Your body your choice.  My choice is not to take a vaccine that is being rushed to market...

    I'll let others develop that twitch...

    You may not need it if you have had covid 


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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,378
    I plan on getting the vaccine when it is available. The one Pfizer has developed was done outside of Operation Warpspeed, so at least in my mind it has been free of the potential mishandling and interference by the administration. 
  • pjhawks
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    Meltdown99 said:
    no one is stopping anyone from taking those vaccines.  Your body your choice.  My choice is not to take a vaccine that is being rushed to market...

    I'll let others develop that twitch...

    what if an employer requires you to take one?  at least one airline is talking about requiring a vaccine to board.  Ticketmaster is talking about requiring a negative test to attend shows.  I understand the trepidation but in some ways decisions to take may be more difficult than you think.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,296
    talk. talk talk talk. any firm plans or something more concrete than talk?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,668
    edited November 2020
    There were problems with the swine flu vaccine. But I don't know what percentage.had problems. But was a big story at the time here in Sweden. Kids getting narcolepsy

    But if you live in society, you are to respect society. That's the deal. Which taking a vaccine to stop a pandemic is a part of. 
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,378
    pjhawks said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    no one is stopping anyone from taking those vaccines.  Your body your choice.  My choice is not to take a vaccine that is being rushed to market...

    I'll let others develop that twitch...

    what if an employer requires you to take one?  at least one airline is talking about requiring a vaccine to board.  Ticketmaster is talking about requiring a negative test to attend shows.  I understand the trepidation but in some ways decisions to take may be more difficult than you think.
    I work in the maintenance department of a correctional facility that has had dozens of staff and offenders test positive. We received an email recently with a poll question asking us if we would be interested in receiving the vaccine when it became available. At least for now, it seems like it will not be mandatory here. 
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    pjhawks said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    no one is stopping anyone from taking those vaccines.  Your body your choice.  My choice is not to take a vaccine that is being rushed to market...

    I'll let others develop that twitch...

    what if an employer requires you to take one?  at least one airline is talking about requiring a vaccine to board.  Ticketmaster is talking about requiring a negative test to attend shows.  I understand the trepidation but in some ways decisions to take may be more difficult than you think.
    Those are all very good points.  I work for a school board and I highly doubt they can make the a condition of employment.  Even though I work for a school board I am going to be low priority in the pecking order.  I guess I will have to cross that bridge when I come to it...
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