When the vaccine arrives

SPEEDY MCCREADY

lastexitlondon said:

April i would be happy with.  Looks like I will be July-sept here in uk

I was truly optimistic in November, when the vaccine was going to arrive, that we would get it distributed quickly. I truly thought, after all the complete nonsense here in America, on how we handled this virus, that we could at least be able to get the vaccine out. I couldnt of been more wrong. 

Meltdown99

I was hoping by September.  Our federal government has fucked up the vaccine purchasing so bad our government is stealing vaccines from organization that supplies developing nations...yes, Canada is getting vaccines from the vaccine food bank...how fucking embarrassing is that...

and people will vote the corrupt prime minister back in...no matter how many die.

It would not be surprise me that it early 2022...

oftenreading

Meltdown99 said:

I was hoping by September.  Our federal government has fucked up the vaccine purchasing so bad our government is stealing vaccines from organization that supplies developing nations...yes, Canada is getting vaccines from the vaccine food bank...how fucking embarrassing is that...

and people will vote the corrupt prime minister back in...no matter how many die.

It would not be surprise me that it early 2022...

Ha ha! I wondered how long it would take for you to post something inaccurate about COVAX.

When I read that Canada was going to get vaccines from COVAX, I wondered how that worked, since I had also only read about it in the context of providing vaccine to lower income countries. Turns out that it was set up to provide vaccine access to all countries, with wealthier nations having the option of providing funding for less wealthy nations and receiving up to 20% of their vaccine requirements through the program.

From the Gavi fact page:

WHAT IS COVAX?

COVAX is one of three pillars of the Access to COVID-19 Tools (ACT) Accelerator, which was launched in April by the World Health Organization (WHO), the European Commission and France in response to this pandemic. Bringing together governments, global health organisations, manufacturers, scientists, private sector, civil society and philanthropy, with the aim of providing innovative and equitable access to COVID-19 diagnostics, treatments and vaccines. The COVAX pillar is focussed on the latter. It is the only truly global solution to this pandemic because it is the only effort to ensure that people in all corners of the world will get access to COVID-19 vaccines once they are available, regardless of their wealth.

Coordinated by Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) and the WHO, COVAX will achieve this by acting as a platform that will support the research, development and manufacturing of a wide range of COVID-19 vaccine candidates, and negotiate their pricing. All participating countries, regardless of income levels, will have equal access to these vaccines once they are developed. The initial aim is to have 2 billion doses available by the end of 2021, which should be enough to protect high risk and vulnerable people, as well as frontline healthcare workers.

For lower-income funded nations, who would otherwise be unable to afford these vaccines, as well as a number of higher-income self-financing countries that have no bilateral deals with manufacturers, COVAX is quite literally a lifeline and the only viable way in which their citizens will get access to COVID-19 vaccines. For the wealthiest self-financing countries, some of which may also be negotiating bilateral deals with vaccine manufacturers, it serves as an invaluable insurance policy to protect their citizens, both directly and indirectly. On the one hand it will provide direct protection by increasing their chances of securing vaccine doses. Yet, at the same time by procuring COVID-19 vaccines through COVAX, these nations will also indirectly protect their citizens by reducing the chances of resurgence by ensuring that the rest of the world gets access to doses too.

further info at link: https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/covax-explained

shadowcast

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

brianlux said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

brianlux said:

I can appreciate the concern, but I don't think it will come to that because I think most people will be eager to be vaccinated.  In the 50's, almost every kid was vaccinated for polio.   There were a small number of people who suffered as ill results of the vaccination, but the reduction in cases of that crippling disease far outweighed the negative results and you almost never hear anyone say that the vaccination was a bad idea.  With the huge number of cases of COVID and the millions of deaths, I don't think there will be much resistance to the vaccination.

But there will be resistance. There are 330 million Americans? If 25 million refuse? If 50 million refuse? Then the virus just keeps on doing what it does, right? Spreads rapidly like it has for the last 8 months.  And we truly never get back to normal. Hell if only 5 million refuse, then we can never fully move on with our lives, right?

I'm not a doctor, so I don't know this for certain, but don't viruses eventually die out?  Geez, I hope so! 

What's your take, Speedy?  Should the vaccine be mandatory?

Ok, my coffee has kicked in, and I am thinking a little clearer. All of us who choose to get the vaccine will be able to get on with our lives. We will no longer be in danger, correct? If that's the case, then I guess those who refuse will have to deal with the repercussions. I guess as long as we are forever no longer in danger, once we get vaccinated, then we don't have to do a national plan as far as proof of being vaccinated. That's as long as its a forever thing. Which I guess that's what the vaccine is all about. A forever solution to not being infected. Though, I still think having employers and business forcing proof of vaccination is not a bad idea. If you have 250 employees, and 50 choose not to get the vaccine, whats to stop all 50 from not catching the virus? We all have seen how this virus spreads.

And YES a very big YES to mandatory vaccine. The last 8 months have been brutal. LETS END THIS.

And now I think of traveling abroad. Should any American thinking of boarding a plane be forced to have proof of being vaccinated? Do we allow Americans to travel abroad without being vaccinated? I say NO WAY! You want to travel abroad? You must be vaccinated. Right? Or do I need more coffee to think this over? Hahahaha

What a terrible & naïve take take on this.