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BidenHughFreakingDillon said:
if biden wins, i sincerely hope he enacts some type of election reform. not just the electoral college (if he can), but also presidential elections at the state level. these asshole republicans being allowed to basically suppress the vote and gerrymander their areas so they never lose is absurd.PJPOWER said:Voted in person last Friday. Took a whole of 10 minutes from the time I left my house to pressing the “cast ballot” button. Easy Peesy!
Yes to both! The RepresentUs movement is doing good work to (among other things) end gerrymandering.
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Bidenmrussel1 said:
I'd say the only thing that isn't good about it is that there are still 43% of voters who think tRump does deserve to be re-elected. How many million is that? Million upon millions of people still support this man? Scary!
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yeah but....shy tRump voters, et almrussel1 said:Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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of course it is. but it doesn't matter unless every one of those people gets out and votes!!mrussel1 said:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Bidenmrussel1 said:
Agreed. It's absolutely disheartening that it's not at least 80% that say he does not deserve a second term.
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Gern Blansten said:Both sides gerrymander....it's a ridiculous system that allows itIf the Patriots beat the Raiders 90-10, both sides scored points.0
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mrussel1 said:
So that's an interesting point. Now I admit I have not read all of the Federalist (or the anti-Federalist) papers, but the concept of the SCOTUS having final say in laws was not necessarily enshrined in the Constitution, it's more Marbury v Madison that set the precedent and the two other branches acquiesced to that concept.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Representative democracy, to be exactSpiritual_Chaos said:
Seems you guys mix and match between the two in discussions.Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
In Sweden you have 18 days to vote, but the actual election day (last day of voting) is on a Sunday.Jearlpam0925 said:
I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.Jearlpam0925 said:
Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Well, sounds to me like in this case @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.Jearlpam0925 said:
Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.Spiritual_Chaos said:So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?
Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?
But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day.
Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box
And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.
My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.
Ofc you should be eligible/register to vote automatically just by being a citizen.
Don't see why it should be any other way if one wants to be called a democracy.
But don't wanna come off as I'm dunking on the US and get PM:s about it. So will end the discussion. Maybe there are super-duper great reasons for having to jump through hoops to vote.We are not a democracy, we are a republic. This give our elected representatives greater power to make voting more difficult.
Not to open the pandoras box again on here about Obama having the wrong facts:It’s great that SC is back, but he cut out the essential portion of my comment.
I was referring to the Supreme Court and the final say on our laws, such as voting laws.
As you know, The people do not have direct access to vote for this branch of govt. Only the senate and electoral college have a voice, institutions that give more power to acreage than people.That case may be put to the test with this election. SCOTUS’ near intervention in the PA mail ballot case this week is very concerning, since it fully involves a state setting it’s own election laws as decided in its own courts. If Barrett were sworn in, they may have overruled the state court.Pelosi probably has more constitutional power than SCOTUS when it comes to the electoral college and contested elections, but many, after the Gore fiasco, as programmed to believe SCOTUS has absolute say.0 -
mickeyrat said:PJPOWER said:
The gerrymandering is a little absurd, I agree, but I don’t see the electoral college going away and I don’t think it should. It may need some reform, but we are not a direct democracy and our union of states would not function too well in that environment in my opinion.HughFreakingDillon said:
if biden wins, i sincerely hope he enacts some type of election reform. not just the electoral college (if he can), but also presidential elections at the state level. these asshole republicans being allowed to basically suppress the vote and gerrymander their areas so they never lose is absurd.PJPOWER said:Voted in person last Friday. Took a whole of 10 minutes from the time I left my house to pressing the “cast ballot” button. Easy Peesy!one reform is proportional electoral votes....would mean a more national focus on more states than just a handful....The electoral college is a remnant of America’s original sin.
The framers needed to give slave owner states more power so they could ratify the constitution, but of course at the same time giving no power to the actual slaves.0 -
Bidenmrussel1 said:
No I got it...but I my head still spins that this whiny, kleptocratic, nepotistic, lunatic has any support. Like, we should have been able to talk to strangers on the street about this nightmare. I was kinda making a joke (and, of course, taking the gray cloud instead of the silver lining, which is that from an election perspective, it's not good for Trump).
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staunch republicans would vote for a giraffe if it promised to uphold their racist and misogynistic policies.OnWis97 said:mrussel1 said:
No I got it...but I my head still spins that this whiny, kleptocratic, nepotistic, lunatic has any support. Like, we should have been able to talk to strangers on the street about this nightmare. I was kinda making a joke (and, of course, taking the gray cloud instead of the silver lining, which is that from an election perspective, it's not good for Trump).
it's clear this isn't about trump. this about upholding conservative "values" (see also: white privilege)By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
BidenAfter 2016 I am so hesitant to get excited about any poll.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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I'm watching the 60 Minutes interview released by Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat and he claims repeatedly that they have a healthcare plan. Repeatedly. I just visited his campaign website and Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat's WH website. Can someone please point out the health care plan or policy and explain it to me? Links below:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/donald-j-trump/
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden's healthcare plan, as posted on his website, no explanation required, for comparison:
https://joebiden.com/healthcare/
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people keep telling me he's not an idiot, that he's some brilliant fucking strategist and marketing genius. i just can't watch him for more than 30 consecutive seconds and not come to that same conclusion every single time. he's the biggest idiot to hold the white house, ever. all he does is parrot the talking points his handlers give him, knowing full well he can't recall details, so he just uses stupid adjectives like "best" and "biggest" and his fave: "like you've never seen before". he literally has no fucking clue what he's talking about.Halifax2TheMax said:I'm watching the 60 Minutes interview released by Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat and he claims repeatedly that they have a healthcare plan. Repeatedly. I just visited his campaign website and Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat's WH website. Can someone please point out the health care plan or policy and explain it to me? Links below:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/donald-j-trump/
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden's healthcare plan, as posted on his website, no explanation required, for comparison:
https://joebiden.com/healthcare/
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maybe he was intelligent years ago. i honestly don't know. but he's so incredibly over his head it is truly staggering.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
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Yeah I give him credit for manipulating the media but that isn't really a good quality. It's a quality of a fucking horrible leader.HughFreakingDillon said:
people keep telling me he's not an idiot, that he's some brilliant fucking strategist and marketing genius. i just can't watch him for more than 30 consecutive seconds and not come to that same conclusion every single time. he's the biggest idiot to hold the white house, ever. all he does is parrot the talking points his handlers give him, knowing full well he can't recall details, so he just uses stupid adjectives like "best" and "biggest" and his fave: "like you've never seen before". he literally has no fucking clue what he's talking about.Halifax2TheMax said:I'm watching the 60 Minutes interview released by Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat and he claims repeatedly that they have a healthcare plan. Repeatedly. I just visited his campaign website and Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat's WH website. Can someone please point out the health care plan or policy and explain it to me? Links below:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/donald-j-trump/
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden's healthcare plan, as posted on his website, no explanation required, for comparison:
https://joebiden.com/healthcare/
"You go back home to mommy." Send his sorry, lying, racist, misogynistic, piece of shit back to his mommy.
maybe he was intelligent years ago. i honestly don't know. but he's so incredibly over his head it is truly staggering.
I am amazed that intelligent people vote for him.
I just spoke with a pretty wealthy client a little bit ago. They receive some farm subsidy checks on some farm ground that they own and they had called to ask me a question relating to that income. Before we got off the phone the guy says "if Biden wins we probably won't get these checks anymore....I'm not expecting them at least"....
Those checks have come for years regardless of who is in the WH. The ignorance is just astounding.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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Same....PJNB said:
Very true. We keep hearing this is not 2016 but after Nov 3 comes and goes and if Trump is still the president polls are irrelevant for ever to me.mcgruff10 said:After 2016 I am so hesitant to get excited about any poll.
It's hard for me because I am surrounded by tRumpsters. Indiana is just a hotbed of ignorant Fox News addicts. It just seems like tRump has this in the bag based on what I see around me.
How these morons focus on Hunter Biden when the tRump children are benefitting directly in plain view just blows my mind.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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BidenWhy is Pearl Jam releasing a concert the night of the last debate? Trying to make sure Joe doesn’t mess this up in front of an audience right before the election?hippiemom = goodness0
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same with the 60 minutes interview. and every journalist out there. every single time he brings up hunter they should be clapping back with the nepotism. is ivanka and jared qualified? not one iota. how about cozying up to china and then ivanka gets a shitload of patents approved in china right after? FFS is there any journalist out there that is prepared to actually ask him tough questions? i haven't seen it. if you actually have the guy one on one where he can't just move on, ask these goddamn questions. profiting off white house business at his properties. the list is endless, and it's all been verified. the media is complicit at every step of his rise to power and during.Gern Blansten said:
Same....PJNB said:
Very true. We keep hearing this is not 2016 but after Nov 3 comes and goes and if Trump is still the president polls are irrelevant for ever to me.mcgruff10 said:After 2016 I am so hesitant to get excited about any poll.
It's hard for me because I am surrounded by tRumpsters. Indiana is just a hotbed of ignorant Fox News addicts. It just seems like tRump has this in the bag based on what I see around me.
How these morons focus on Hunter Biden when the tRump children are benefitting directly in plain view just blows my mind.
how about defrauding kids with cancer with their charity and how they are banned from ever operating one ever again? jesus, where are the real journalists?
peppering him with the same questions about masks for 5 minutes is useless.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
BidenJust saw a poll down here in Texas that shows Biden leading by 1. If he takes Texas it’s all over.Scio me nihil scire
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