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not taking the bait.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Well, sounds to me like in this case @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.Jearlpam0925 said:
Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.Spiritual_Chaos said:So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?
Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Would pay "streaming a vault show at nugs" money to watch the meeting Obama had with Trump in the oval office.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
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Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Well, sounds to me like in this case @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.Jearlpam0925 said:
Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.Spiritual_Chaos said:So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?
Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?0 -
I'm sitting this one out
No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.Jearlpam0925 said:
Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Well, sounds to me like in this case @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.Jearlpam0925 said:
Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.Spiritual_Chaos said:So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?
Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?
But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day.
Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box
And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I registered online, I don’t think my signature is on file anywhere except maybe my driver’s license from 20 years ago.jeffbr said:
It is just GOP scare tactics to cast doubt and uncertainty. My state has been all mail in voting for over a decade. You have to be a registered voter to get a ballot mailed - but GOP would call those unsolicited since we don't have to request one each election. And the signature is checked on each against the voter registration. If signatures don't match the ballot us rejected. We have very little voter fraud in the state and it works well. I received my ballot last Thursday, dropped it in a ballot box on Friday morning, and by Monday the tracking on the election site showed my ballot had been received and counted. The fear mongering from the right about mail-in voting is getting boring.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So, as long as you have a ballot - that equals a vote and no checks are being done for it to be cast? A ballot is no way checked of against an individual in any step of the process?mace1229 said:
They're just being mailed out then either mailed back or dropped off at a voting box, no ID needed for a mail ballot. So you can steal a ballot from a mail box or get one misdelivered to you and still fill it out. And I'm sure someone who died within the last few months will probably still be getting a ballot in the mail. One reason I think its stupid for people who didn't even request one.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Are there precedent for this, or is it fear mongering?mace1229 said:More than voting twice, because I think there are measures against that, are ballots being misdelivered or stolen from the mail, or ballots being mailed to dead people and their relatives fill it out.
Like I said, it will certainly happen, but not in numbers big enough to actually change the results.
And still, wouldn't you need something more to vote than a ballot (as in being checked off against your ID)... so why would a dead person be able to vote?
So the fact there is going to be fraud is real. Saying its going to be hundreds of thousands of ballots stolen from the post office in a swing state and filled out for Biden is fear mongering.
So if I found 25 ballots, I could just send them in an envelope in the ordinary mail and they would all be counted?
Hmm... Sounds a bit shaky.0 -
Bidenmace1229 said:
I registered online, I don’t think my signature is on file anywhere except maybe my driver’s license from 20 years ago.jeffbr said:
It is just GOP scare tactics to cast doubt and uncertainty. My state has been all mail in voting for over a decade. You have to be a registered voter to get a ballot mailed - but GOP would call those unsolicited since we don't have to request one each election. And the signature is checked on each against the voter registration. If signatures don't match the ballot us rejected. We have very little voter fraud in the state and it works well. I received my ballot last Thursday, dropped it in a ballot box on Friday morning, and by Monday the tracking on the election site showed my ballot had been received and counted. The fear mongering from the right about mail-in voting is getting boring.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So, as long as you have a ballot - that equals a vote and no checks are being done for it to be cast? A ballot is no way checked of against an individual in any step of the process?mace1229 said:
They're just being mailed out then either mailed back or dropped off at a voting box, no ID needed for a mail ballot. So you can steal a ballot from a mail box or get one misdelivered to you and still fill it out. And I'm sure someone who died within the last few months will probably still be getting a ballot in the mail. One reason I think its stupid for people who didn't even request one.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Are there precedent for this, or is it fear mongering?mace1229 said:More than voting twice, because I think there are measures against that, are ballots being misdelivered or stolen from the mail, or ballots being mailed to dead people and their relatives fill it out.
Like I said, it will certainly happen, but not in numbers big enough to actually change the results.
And still, wouldn't you need something more to vote than a ballot (as in being checked off against your ID)... so why would a dead person be able to vote?
So the fact there is going to be fraud is real. Saying its going to be hundreds of thousands of ballots stolen from the post office in a swing state and filled out for Biden is fear mongering.
So if I found 25 ballots, I could just send them in an envelope in the ordinary mail and they would all be counted?
Hmm... Sounds a bit shaky.
texas, right? dont they have voter id laws?
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I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.Jearlpam0925 said:
Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Well, sounds to me like in this case @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.Jearlpam0925 said:
Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.Spiritual_Chaos said:So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?
Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?
But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day.
Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box
And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.
My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.0 -
I'm sitting this one out
In Sweden you have 18 days to vote, but the actual election day (last day of voting) is on a Sunday.Jearlpam0925 said:
I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.Spiritual_Chaos said:
No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.Jearlpam0925 said:
Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Well, sounds to me like in this case @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.Jearlpam0925 said:
Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.Spiritual_Chaos said:So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?
Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?
But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day.
Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box
And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.
My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.
Ofc you should be eligible/register to vote automatically just by being a citizen.
Don't see why it should be any other way if one wants to be called a democracy.
But don't wanna come off as I'm dunking on the US and get PM:s about it. So will end the discussion. Maybe there are super-duper great reasons for having to jump through hoops to vote.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
BidenFingers crossed for some voting reform. We could use a lot of it.0
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Uh oh, somebody’s not looking so great. Visions of prison dancing in Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat’s head?
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Coloradomickeyrat said:mace1229 said:
I registered online, I don’t think my signature is on file anywhere except maybe my driver’s license from 20 years ago.jeffbr said:
It is just GOP scare tactics to cast doubt and uncertainty. My state has been all mail in voting for over a decade. You have to be a registered voter to get a ballot mailed - but GOP would call those unsolicited since we don't have to request one each election. And the signature is checked on each against the voter registration. If signatures don't match the ballot us rejected. We have very little voter fraud in the state and it works well. I received my ballot last Thursday, dropped it in a ballot box on Friday morning, and by Monday the tracking on the election site showed my ballot had been received and counted. The fear mongering from the right about mail-in voting is getting boring.Spiritual_Chaos said:
So, as long as you have a ballot - that equals a vote and no checks are being done for it to be cast? A ballot is no way checked of against an individual in any step of the process?mace1229 said:
They're just being mailed out then either mailed back or dropped off at a voting box, no ID needed for a mail ballot. So you can steal a ballot from a mail box or get one misdelivered to you and still fill it out. And I'm sure someone who died within the last few months will probably still be getting a ballot in the mail. One reason I think its stupid for people who didn't even request one.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Are there precedent for this, or is it fear mongering?mace1229 said:More than voting twice, because I think there are measures against that, are ballots being misdelivered or stolen from the mail, or ballots being mailed to dead people and their relatives fill it out.
Like I said, it will certainly happen, but not in numbers big enough to actually change the results.
And still, wouldn't you need something more to vote than a ballot (as in being checked off against your ID)... so why would a dead person be able to vote?
So the fact there is going to be fraud is real. Saying its going to be hundreds of thousands of ballots stolen from the post office in a swing state and filled out for Biden is fear mongering.
So if I found 25 ballots, I could just send them in an envelope in the ordinary mail and they would all be counted?
Hmm... Sounds a bit shaky.
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Lol. Using COVID lock down economy that the Dems wanted and enforced and their voters actually agree with against him. How 'bout the same graphic as of 3/1/2020?cutz said:
Do you guys really thing people voting for Biden are that stupid? Oh, wait.Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
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You're president for the whole term. Is the ad unfair?EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. Using COVID lock down economy that the Dems wanted and enforced and their voters actually agree with against him. How 'bout the same graphic as of 3/1/2020?cutz said:
Do you guys really thing people voting for Biden are that stupid? Oh, wait.0 -
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Come on, have you forgotten that it’s actually Biden and the Democrats fault that the virus was poorly managed. If the blue states would just open up we could have a much better economy and only a few more 100,000s of deaths. Democrat Hoax. *sarcasm*mrussel1 said:
You're president for the whole term. Is the ad unfair?EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. Using COVID lock down economy that the Dems wanted and enforced and their voters actually agree with against him. How 'bout the same graphic as of 3/1/2020?cutz said:
Do you guys really thing people voting for Biden are that stupid? Oh, wait.Scio me nihil scire
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What an ignorant statement. Why don't you holster that Trump boner before you make more of a fool of yourself. Basically what you are saying is that using Trump's failed approach to handling Covid against him because states had to take their own action is punishing him unfairly, but using them in his favor when the states created jobs and things were fine before that isn't. You can't have it both ways. Failure to lead and provide clear guidance for the entire country has a consequence and this is it. Whether a state locked down to save lives or didn't and eventually cost lives didn't end up keeping more jobs anyway. People aren't going to be able to work if they are going to be exposed to a virus without any clear plan on how to recover or respond to it. If what you were saying is true, then only blue states should have experienced job loss, which is not the case. But yeah, yeah, yeah, you keep saying Trump is going to lose so no big deal. Pretty sure you'd be pretty stoked to take a victory lap if he didn't though.EdsonNascimento said:
Lol. Using COVID lock down economy that the Dems wanted and enforced and their voters actually agree with against him. How 'bout the same graphic as of 3/1/2020?cutz said:
Do you guys really thing people voting for Biden are that stupid? Oh, wait.It's a hopeless situation...0
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