Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mrussel1

Biden

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

cutz said:

https://twitter.com/therealscapper/status/1319051446638301192

Lol. Using COVID lock down economy that the Dems wanted and enforced and their voters actually agree with against him. How 'bout the same graphic as of 3/1/2020?

Do you guys really thing people voting for Biden are that stupid? Oh, wait.

You're president for the whole term.  Is the ad unfair?

Come on, have you forgotten that it’s actually Biden and the Democrats fault that the virus was poorly managed. If the blue states would just open up we could have a much better economy and only a few more 100,000s of deaths. Democrat Hoax.  *sarcasm*

We need herd "mentality".

Lerxst1992

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what's the deal with all the mail voting? Corona? Or is it some kind of movement..?

Both.
I don't agree with the mass mail out ballots that's been going on. Some counties or states are mailing ballots to every registered voter, whether they asked for one or not. To think that there wont be any fraud is naïve. To also think the fraud will be exclusively one party and in large enough amounts to actually impact the election is also naïve. But I still think someone should have to request a mail ballot to receive one. 

To think the tech doesn’t exist to rapidly check ID numbers, names, addresses and signatures** on ballots received to registration records is naive. And it’s also Trump Fake News.

But your use of the double dot on the i is exemplary 

**in accordance with the voting laws of a particular state

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

cutz said:

https://twitter.com/therealscapper/status/1319051446638301192

Lol. Using COVID lock down economy that the Dems wanted and enforced and their voters actually agree with against him. How 'bout the same graphic as of 3/1/2020?

Do you guys really thing people voting for Biden are that stupid? Oh, wait.

You're president for the whole term.  Is the ad unfair?

What is the loss of jobs per capita in the US compared to the rest of the western world (under covid)? In line with, more or less?

Lerxst1992

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?

Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?

Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.

Well, sounds to me like in this case  @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.

Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.

No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.

But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day. 

Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID  = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box

And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.

I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.

My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.

In Sweden you have 18 days to vote, but the actual election day (last day of voting) is on a Sunday.

Ofc you should be eligible/register to vote automatically just by being a citizen.

Don't see why it should be any other way if one wants to be called a democracy.

But don't wanna come off as I'm dunking on the US and get PM:s about it. So will end the discussion. Maybe there are super-duper great reasons for having to jump through hoops to vote.

We are not a democracy, we are a republic. This give our elected representatives greater power to make voting more difficult.

The reason it’s more difficult to vote is the same reason the number of justices need to be added if the US has any chance for meaningful change such as healthcare. Our constitution gives more power to the smaller and whiter and rural states, giving them more power in senate elections and the electoral college. To have the final say on laws here, these are the only pathways to having any say.

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?

Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?

Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.

Well, sounds to me like in this case  @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.

Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.

No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.

But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day. 

Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID  = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box

And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.

I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.

My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.

In Sweden you have 18 days to vote, but the actual election day (last day of voting) is on a Sunday.

Ofc you should be eligible/register to vote automatically just by being a citizen.

Don't see why it should be any other way if one wants to be called a democracy.

But don't wanna come off as I'm dunking on the US and get PM:s about it. So will end the discussion. Maybe there are super-duper great reasons for having to jump through hoops to vote.

We are not a democracy, we are a republic. This give our elected representatives greater power to make voting more difficult.

Seems you guys mix and match between the two in discussions.

Not to open the pandoras box again on here about Obama having the wrong facts:

 

mrussel1

Biden

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?

Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?

Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.

Well, sounds to me like in this case  @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.

Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.

No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.

But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day. 

Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID  = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box

And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.

I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.

My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.

In Sweden you have 18 days to vote, but the actual election day (last day of voting) is on a Sunday.

Ofc you should be eligible/register to vote automatically just by being a citizen.

Don't see why it should be any other way if one wants to be called a democracy.

But don't wanna come off as I'm dunking on the US and get PM:s about it. So will end the discussion. Maybe there are super-duper great reasons for having to jump through hoops to vote.

We are not a democracy, we are a republic. This give our elected representatives greater power to make voting more difficult.

Seems you guys mix and match between the two in discussions.

Not to open the pandoras box again on here about Obama having the wrong facts:

 

Representative democracy,  to be exact

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?

Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?

Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.

Well, sounds to me like in this case  @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.

Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.

No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.

But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day. 

Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID  = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box

And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.

I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.

My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.

In Sweden you have 18 days to vote, but the actual election day (last day of voting) is on a Sunday.

Ofc you should be eligible/register to vote automatically just by being a citizen.

Don't see why it should be any other way if one wants to be called a democracy.

But don't wanna come off as I'm dunking on the US and get PM:s about it. So will end the discussion. Maybe there are super-duper great reasons for having to jump through hoops to vote.

We are not a democracy, we are a republic. This give our elected representatives greater power to make voting more difficult.

Seems you guys mix and match between the two in discussions.

Not to open the pandoras box again on here about Obama having the wrong facts:

 

Representative democracy,  to be exact

Well, that is the default form of a democracy.

mickeyrat

Biden

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

cutz said:

https://twitter.com/therealscapper/status/1319051446638301192

Lol. Using COVID lock down economy that the Dems wanted and enforced and their voters actually agree with against him. How 'bout the same graphic as of 3/1/2020?

Do you guys really thing people voting for Biden are that stupid? Oh, wait.

You're president for the whole term.  Is the ad unfair?

Come on, have you forgotten that it’s actually Biden and the Democrats fault that the virus was poorly managed. If the blue states would just open up we could have a much better economy and only a few more 100,000s of deaths. Democrat Hoax.  *sarcasm*

We need herd "mentality".

doesn't he already enjoy that very thing?

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?

Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?

Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.

Well, sounds to me like in this case  @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.

Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.

No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.

But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day. 

Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID  = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box

And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.

I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.

My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.

In Sweden you have 18 days to vote, but the actual election day (last day of voting) is on a Sunday.

Ofc you should be eligible/register to vote automatically just by being a citizen.

Don't see why it should be any other way if one wants to be called a democracy.

But don't wanna come off as I'm dunking on the US and get PM:s about it. So will end the discussion. Maybe there are super-duper great reasons for having to jump through hoops to vote.

We are not a democracy, we are a republic. This give our elected representatives greater power to make voting more difficult.

Seems you guys mix and match between the two in discussions.

Not to open the pandoras box again on here about Obama having the wrong facts:

Representative democracy,  to be exact

It’s great that SC is back, but he cut out the essential portion of my comment.

I was referring to the Supreme Court and the final say on our laws, such as voting laws.

As you know, The people do not have direct access to vote for this branch of govt. Only the senate and electoral college have a voice, institutions that  give more power to acreage than people. 

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?

Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?

Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.

Well, sounds to me like in this case  @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.

so does canada. so it's a wash. 

stuckinline

Biden

Here's what happens to your ballot in Cuyahoga County in Ohio:

https://fox8.com/news/i-team/i-team-heres-what-happens-to-your-ballot-after-you-vote-in-cuyahoga-county/

mickeyrat

Biden

emergency trip to vegas for a family thing. intended to early this morning. my boe is in a former dept store. works great.  except when the line is around the building.....

the black mark  on the right is the front door. the black mark on the left is the farthest I could see where the line ends? suspect it goes behind the building? guessing about 250 people with 15 to 20 cars pulling in when I did. cant wait... need some sleep.

mace1229

Lerxst1992 said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what's the deal with all the mail voting? Corona? Or is it some kind of movement..?

Both.
I don't agree with the mass mail out ballots that's been going on. Some counties or states are mailing ballots to every registered voter, whether they asked for one or not. To think that there wont be any fraud is naïve. To also think the fraud will be exclusively one party and in large enough amounts to actually impact the election is also naïve. But I still think someone should have to request a mail ballot to receive one. 

To think the tech doesn’t exist to rapidly check ID numbers, names, addresses and signatures** on ballots received to registration records is naive. And it’s also Trump Fake News.

But your use of the double dot on the i is exemplary 

**in accordance with the voting laws of a particular state

Mail ballots already have names and addresses. Not all states require signatures. Many of the states that do check signatures check it against your driver's license, which could be 10 or 20 years old. A signature that I did on an electronic screen at the DMV 10 years ago won't match what I sign on a piece of paper today.  I don't have a lot of faith that the signature check is very accurate or precise, but even if it is there's still a lot of states that don't do it. 
I thought it was 19, this article says 18 states don't verify it. I believe some state sonly require a witness signature on the envelope. 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/07/upshot/mail-voting-ballots-signature-matching.html
But its a moot point, like I said before, there is definitely going to be some fake ballots or signatures. But not in big enough numbers to change the results of an election.

PJPOWER

Voted in person last Friday.  Took a whole of 10 minutes from the time I left my house to pressing the “cast ballot” button.  Easy Peesy!  

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

PJPOWER said:

Voted in person last Friday.  Took a whole of 10 minutes from the time I left my house to pressing the “cast ballot” button.  Easy Peesy!  

if biden wins, i sincerely hope he enacts some type of election reform. not just the electoral college (if he can), but also presidential elections at the state level. these asshole republicans being allowed to basically suppress the vote and gerrymander their areas so they never lose is absurd. 

mrussel1

Biden

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So what is the reason for having to register to vote? As in the argument for it?

Why wouldn't every eligible voter be registered as a voter by being an eligible citizen?

Because 1) it's all left up to the states 2) it can be left up to a completely absurd political process. Otherwise, voting would/should be treated like the duty and right that it is. You hear from some people, some politicians, they will tell you voting is a privilege. Which is fucking absurd.

Well, sounds to me like in this case  @gimmesometruth27 and @DewieCox Sweden does it in a superior way.

Yes, you may be one of those countries where it's a duty? Definitely should be the case everywhere.

No. Not a duty, if I read the word correctly. You are not forced to. You can stay home. Or make a point by not voting. Only 87% voted last election.

But every citizen can show up with their ID (drivers license, passport etc) to their local voting locale, and leave a ballot on or some day that suits them before election day. 

Being a citizen = you are eligable to vote and have a local voting locale designated to you
Show ID  = your name will be checked off on a list of the names designated to that voting locale, and your ballot will be put in the box

And election day is always on a Sunday - where the most people are free from work.

I guess a right, duty I see as almost the same. Sure, you shouldn't go to jail or something if you don't vote.

My belief is if you can automatically be drafted at 18 to go to war, then you should be automatically be registered to vote. Voting should not be an inconvenience, nor a challenge, to the voter. We should all be automatically be sent a ballot and the voting window should be at least a week, if not a month. As ideal as I would like to think everyone will be off to vote on a Sunday it's not realistic - people get screwed by having one day to vote.

In Sweden you have 18 days to vote, but the actual election day (last day of voting) is on a Sunday.

Ofc you should be eligible/register to vote automatically just by being a citizen.

Don't see why it should be any other way if one wants to be called a democracy.

But don't wanna come off as I'm dunking on the US and get PM:s about it. So will end the discussion. Maybe there are super-duper great reasons for having to jump through hoops to vote.

We are not a democracy, we are a republic. This give our elected representatives greater power to make voting more difficult.

Seems you guys mix and match between the two in discussions.

Not to open the pandoras box again on here about Obama having the wrong facts:

Representative democracy,  to be exact

It’s great that SC is back, but he cut out the essential portion of my comment.

I was referring to the Supreme Court and the final say on our laws, such as voting laws.

As you know, The people do not have direct access to vote for this branch of govt. Only the senate and electoral college have a voice, institutions that  give more power to acreage than people. 

So that's an interesting point.  Now I admit I have not read all of the Federalist (or the anti-Federalist) papers, but the concept of the SCOTUS having final say in laws was not necessarily enshrined in the Constitution, it's more Marbury v Madison that set the precedent and the two other branches acquiesced to that concept.  

PJPOWER

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Voted in person last Friday.  Took a whole of 10 minutes from the time I left my house to pressing the “cast ballot” button.  Easy Peesy!  

if biden wins, i sincerely hope he enacts some type of election reform. not just the electoral college (if he can), but also presidential elections at the state level. these asshole republicans being allowed to basically suppress the vote and gerrymander their areas so they never lose is absurd. 

The gerrymandering is a little absurd, I agree, but I don’t see the electoral college going away and I don’t think it should.  It may need some reform, but we are not a direct democracy and our union of states would not function too well in that environment in my opinion.

Gern Blansten

Biden

Both sides gerrymander....it's a ridiculous system that allows it

mickeyrat

Biden

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Voted in person last Friday.  Took a whole of 10 minutes from the time I left my house to pressing the “cast ballot” button.  Easy Peesy!  

if biden wins, i sincerely hope he enacts some type of election reform. not just the electoral college (if he can), but also presidential elections at the state level. these asshole republicans being allowed to basically suppress the vote and gerrymander their areas so they never lose is absurd. 

The gerrymandering is a little absurd, I agree, but I don’t see the electoral college going away and I don’t think it should.  It may need some reform, but we are not a direct democracy and our union of states would not function too well in that environment in my opinion.

one reform is proportional electoral votes....

would mean a more national focus on more states than just a handful....

PJPOWER

Gern Blansten said:

Both sides gerrymander....it's a ridiculous system that allows it

When I was a kid I used to think that the changing of district boundaries was because of high school football, lol. It still seemed ridiculous and dishonest for that reason too, especially those riding the district lines.