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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
    Definitely does not look like 2016. Again, this lets me know there's way way less Undecideds than I thought.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    That is something.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    What Pollsters Have Changed Since 2016 — And What Still Worries Them About 2020


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    ILLUSTRATION BY FIVETHIRTYEIGHT / GETTY IMAGES

    OCT. 13, 2020, AT 6:00 AM

    What Pollsters Have Changed Since 2016 — And What Still Worries Them About 2020

    By Geoffrey Skelley and Nathaniel Rakich

    f you ask Americans whether they trust the polls, many seem unable to let go of what happened in 2016. Polls taken since then have generally found that a majority of Americans have at least some doubts about what polls say. But as FiveThirtyEight wrote in the run-up to the 2016 election, Donald Trump was always a normal polling error behind Hillary Clinton.

    And that’s essentially what happened in 2016: Trump beat his polls by just a few points in just a few states. The presidential polls were, simply, not that off. State-level polling was less accurate, although as editor-in-chief Nate Silver wrote after the election, it was “still within the ‘normal’ range of accuracy.”

    That doesn’t mean there weren’t plenty of polling lessons to be gleaned from 2016, though. The importance of education in predicting a person’s political preferences was a big one. And so to better understand those takeaways, we contacted 21 well-known pollsters to find out how they adjusted their methodologies, if at all, and what concerns them most about polling in 2020. In the end, 15 got back to us — a 71 percent response rate that pollsters only dream of in this day and age.1 Here’s what they had to say.

    More pollsters are weighting by education and using new ways to reach respondents

    Nearly every pollster we talked to has made some kind of modification since the last general election. Some changes were precipitated by what happened in 2016, while others were driven by the challenges facing the polling industry, such as low response rates to phone calls and the greater cost of high-quality polling.

    But one thing came up again and again in our interviews: Pollsters told us they were now weighting their samples by education, because one key takeaway from 2016 was just how important someone’s level of educational attainment was in predicting their vote. “In mid-2016, we changed our weights by education, moving the percentage of high school or less respondents up while dropping the college-plus down,” said Jeff Horwitt, a senior vice president at Hart Research, one of the pollsters for the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. It was the middle of the election cycle, but already Horwitt and his team were concerned that they might be underestimating the share of the electorate who didn’t have a four-year college degree, and therefore, missing some of Trump’s support. They were right to be concerned, too. A real problem for the polling industry writ large was the underrepresentation of voters with little or no college education.



    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-pollsters-have-changed-since-2016-and-what-still-worries-them-about-2020/
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    GA is now blue....


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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    GA poll showing Biden +7 just posted
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    edited October 2020
    GA is now blue....


    Kudos to all the people in Georgia that waited for like 10 hours to vote.  But it's really, really disgusting that it has come to this.  A friend in Austin, TX waited 3.5 hours.  I was in and out in 15 minutes. Of course, my governor is not doing all he can for the Party of Trump and its namesake...

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    GA poll showing Biden +7 just posted
    This is insane.  Is it possible?
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
    OnWis97 said:
    GA is now blue....


    Kudos to all the people in Georgia that waited for like 10 hours to vote.  But it's really, really disgusting that it has come to this.  A friend in Austin, TX waited 3.5 hours.  I was in and out in 15 minutes. Of course, my governor is not doing all he can for the Party of Trump and its namesake...

    Yeah I saw something that apparently due to the reversal in TX people in Harris County went from about 87% were able to drive within 20 minutes to a drop box down to 29%. Nuts.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    mrussel1 said:
    GA poll showing Biden +7 just posted
    This is insane.  Is it possible?
    probably not....but maybe
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • OnWis97 said:
    GA is now blue....


    Kudos to all the people in Georgia that waited for like 10 hours to vote.  But it's really, really disgusting that it has come to this.  A friend in Austin, TX waited 3.5 hours.  I was in and out in 15 minutes. Of course, my governor is not doing all he can for the Party of Trump and its namesake...
    On John Oliver's show, he showed a video of a voter that waited like 7 hours to vote in a primary. Can't remember which state though. The voter intended to listen to the latest Run The Jewels album while in line. He ended up listening to every Run The Jewels album, and watching season 8 of Curb Your Enthusiasm. 
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
    Well this is awesome, and will only be more informative as more votes roll in:

    https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Well this is awesome, and will only be more informative as more votes roll in:

    https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/
    I think it's hard to conclude much.  Trump has actively pushed his base not to vote by mail.  I know this is early and mail but still one should expect a bigger wave of Red on election day. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,853
    mrussel1 said:
    GA poll showing Biden +7 just posted
    This is insane.  Is it possible?


    GA or TX has less of a chance of  voting blue than me n Tiffany becoming friends. It’s her dad who wants to kiss everybody, but if Tiff is willing, screw covid.
  • The Juggler
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    mrussel1 said:
    GA poll showing Biden +7 just posted
    This is insane.  Is it possible?


    GA or TX has less of a chance of  voting blue than me n Tiffany becoming friends. It’s her dad who wants to kiss everybody, but if Tiff is willing, screw covid.
    I don't know why you think think it is impossible at this point. All indications are both are at least within the margin of error. I don't think he will win either, but yeah man, it is absolutely within the realm of possibility at this point. 
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
    mrussel1 said:
    Well this is awesome, and will only be more informative as more votes roll in:

    https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/
    I think it's hard to conclude much.  Trump has actively pushed his base not to vote by mail.  I know this is early and mail but still one should expect a bigger wave of Red on election day. 
    I mean there's a fixed amount of votes and a snapshot of %'s that can help paint a picture of where we are before votes are even counted on November 3rd.
  • mrussel1 said:
    GA poll showing Biden +7 just posted
    This is insane.  Is it possible?


    GA or TX has less of a chance of  voting blue than me n Tiffany becoming friends. It’s her dad who wants to kiss everybody, but if Tiff is willing, screw covid.
    I don't know why you think think it is impossible at this point. All indications are both are at least within the margin of error. I don't think he will win either, but yeah man, it is absolutely within the realm of possibility at this point. 
    We need GWB to come out strongly for Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden and condemn Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat aggressively and repeatedly.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    mrussel1 said:
    GA poll showing Biden +7 just posted
    This is insane.  Is it possible?


    GA or TX has less of a chance of  voting blue than me n Tiffany becoming friends. It’s her dad who wants to kiss everybody, but if Tiff is willing, screw covid.
    I don't know why you think think it is impossible at this point. All indications are both are at least within the margin of error. I don't think he will win either, but yeah man, it is absolutely within the realm of possibility at this point. 
    We need GWB to come out strongly for Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden and condemn Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat aggressively and repeatedly.
    I am hoping that there is a plan for this....some big name republicans need to speak out.  
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    GWB should come out now as an October surprise and scream from the mountain tops that Trump and McConnell are dangerous and ruining democracy.  Would possibly turn Texas, and save us from bloodshed and a constitutional crisis.  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    MayDay10 said:
    GWB should come out now as an October surprise and scream from the mountain tops that Trump and McConnell are dangerous and ruining democracy.  Would possibly turn Texas, and save us from bloodshed and a constitutional crisis.  
    It would be beautiful...I follow Miles Taylor (former DHS asst under tRump) on twitter...he says that there is going to be a lot of former tRump officials speak out soon.


    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2