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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,507
    JB16057 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    Based on everything that’s happened since POOTWH came down the escalator, I haven’t seen any “good” repubs. In fact, several million more deplorables voted for him in 2020 and thus far are continuing to do POOTWH’s bidding, even doubling and tripling down so enamored are they. If they’re not disavowing that POS, they’re silently supporting him and his agenda.
    Generalizing a group of people is bigotry. Bigotry is hate.

    trumpers who do not know me have been telling me "fuck your feelings" for 6 years now. i have very little empathy when people make fun of them now. it is not hate. more like turnabout is fair play.

    their feelings are hurt now? do what i did.

    get over it and work to actually win an election.
    There's too much hatred going around. You are justifying your hatred but two wrongs do not make a right.

    Hey man at the end of the day the GOP's actual platform is trash, so there's that. The rest of it is all noise.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    JB16057 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    Based on everything that’s happened since POOTWH came down the escalator, I haven’t seen any “good” repubs. In fact, several million more deplorables voted for him in 2020 and thus far are continuing to do POOTWH’s bidding, even doubling and tripling down so enamored are they. If they’re not disavowing that POS, they’re silently supporting him and his agenda.
    Generalizing a group of people is bigotry. Bigotry is hate.

    trumpers who do not know me have been telling me "fuck your feelings" for 6 years now. i have very little empathy when people make fun of them now. it is not hate. more like turnabout is fair play.

    their feelings are hurt now? do what i did.

    get over it and work to actually win an election.
    There's too much hatred going around. You are justifying your hatred but two wrongs do not make a right.

    Hey man at the end of the day the GOP's actual platform is trash, so there's that. The rest of it is all noise.
    Disagree.  If you recall,  they didn't even bother to write a platform in 2020. That's how bad it has become. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,977
    edited September 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    JB16057 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    Based on everything that’s happened since POOTWH came down the escalator, I haven’t seen any “good” repubs. In fact, several million more deplorables voted for him in 2020 and thus far are continuing to do POOTWH’s bidding, even doubling and tripling down so enamored are they. If they’re not disavowing that POS, they’re silently supporting him and his agenda.
    Generalizing a group of people is bigotry. Bigotry is hate.

    trumpers who do not know me have been telling me "fuck your feelings" for 6 years now. i have very little empathy when people make fun of them now. it is not hate. more like turnabout is fair play.

    their feelings are hurt now? do what i did.

    get over it and work to actually win an election.
    There's too much hatred going around. You are justifying your hatred but two wrongs do not make a right.

    Hey man at the end of the day the GOP's actual platform is trash, so there's that. The rest of it is all noise.
    Disagree.  If you recall,  they didn't even bother to write a platform in 2020. That's how bad it has become. 
    They ran on the same 2016 platform. Not one change, after 4 years of MAGA. Wait, the dates, they changed the dates.

    Indicative of POOTWH’s high school and college career. Someone else’s work, change a date here, a word there, easy peasy.
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130

    Definition of bigotry

    1 : obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot overcoming his own bigotry
    2 : acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot



    Essential Meaning of bigot

    disapproving : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

    Here's the salient point when it comes to "bigotry" and disapproval of MAGA world:

    Not one of us has any control over our parentage/ skin color/ ethnicity.

    Every one of us who is a functioning adult has the ability to think, reason critically (I hope), and to make decisions.

    I expect there were decent people who voted for the last president in 2016 out of ignorance, a desire for change, a belief that he would do what he promised, lower taxes, whatever. He was every bit as unfit in 2015 as he is now, but maybe not everyone saw that, maybe they thought he would grow and learn, maybe they thought he would surround himself with good people.

    BUT --

    Anyone who still supports him, after the blatant racism, sexism, nationalism, accusations of assault, failed COVID response, failure to uphold any and all norms, abusive and unprofessional behavior toward our allies, embracing dictators, spreading lies, disregarding our laws and attempting to overthrow the government -- and that's just what I can name off the top of my head -- anyone who supports such a person, in my opinion, also has deep character flaws and is unfit to hold office.

    That's not about politics or policy; it's about right and wrong, agreeing to be governed by our nation's laws or pulling a Cartman and yelling "F--- you! I'll do what I want!"

    There is a long list of conservatives who have pulled away from the GOP in the last few years, not because they disavow conservative policies and principles (by which I do NOT mean GOP policies, as their current platform, literally, is "whatever T---- wants"), but because they are appalled by the undemocratic, unprincipled, amoral, and frankly dangerous behavior being exhibited by the former president and his acolytes.

    I respect people with whom I disagree but who I recognize as people of principle. "F--- you, I'll do what I want!" is not a principle or a moral code -- certainly not one that merits respect by any functioning adult. I don't respect grown-ass adults who act like three-year-olds. You can choose to wipe your butt on a tablecloth, but don't expect anyone who has been potty-trained to respect that move.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited September 2021
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    One of the things the Proud Boys believe is that Donald Trump actually won the election. They believe that because Donald Trump told them so....over and over and over and over and over again. That is why they showed up and stormed our capitol on January Sixth. It's why their leader is currently in prison. 

    70% of all republicans also believe the same lie. This misinformation is LITERALLY destroying our democracy because it means those millions and millions of people will just refuse accept the results of future elections unless their candidate wins. Free and fair elections are the main pillars of which our democracy stands and the leader of your party is continuing to take a jack hammer to it only a daily basis. Bothsidesing that is beyond disingenuous. 

    So go ahead and complain about inflation, the economy, the mistakes made in Afghanistan etc etc etc...that stuff is all fair game but, unfortunately, it PALES in comparison to the fact that the GOP is destroying people's faith in our elections which means they are destroying our democracy. Nothing else matters. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    in the 2016 election, I might have tended to agree with you. If people still voted for him in 2020, I disagree. and if people STILL support him after the last 6 months, my answer is "are you kidding me?".  
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  • JB16057
    JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    So go ahead and complain about inflation, the economy, the mistakes made in Afghanistan etc etc etc...that stuff is all fair game but, unfortunately, it PALES in comparison to the fact that the GOP is destroying people's faith in our elections which means they are destroying our democracy. Nothing else matters. 
    How has the GOP position on elections affected you personally? Anyone? Is that the reason why inflation is out of control? You must know something I don't. Inflation impacts more Americans' day to day lives than the GOP whining about elections.

    Nothing else matters? That's a bunch of bullshit. Most things are more important than what you consider, "destroying our democracy". How many times did Trump get accused of "destroying our democracy? Funny because we are all still here, in a full functioning democracy, and he isn't president anymore which proves democracy is alive and well.

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,296
    hasnt inflation been so low or nonexistent since 2009?
    economic experts are saying this is not only necessary but its short term, until more of the total supply chain is closer to normal.

    for years we heard the fed was trying to get inflation UP to about 2%. once that occured, if memory serves, all the fed moves would shift. i.e. quantitative easing etc...

    but it stayed low. too low.

    I think we as consumers got used to it. in the meantime, companies for food stuffs etc, started reducing size and keeping the same price, thereby increasing profit that way.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    So go ahead and complain about inflation, the economy, the mistakes made in Afghanistan etc etc etc...that stuff is all fair game but, unfortunately, it PALES in comparison to the fact that the GOP is destroying people's faith in our elections which means they are destroying our democracy. Nothing else matters. 
    How has the GOP position on elections affected you personally? Anyone? Is that the reason why inflation is out of control? You must know something I don't. Inflation impacts more Americans' day to day lives than the GOP whining about elections.

    Nothing else matters? That's a bunch of bullshit. Most things are more important than what you consider, "destroying our democracy". How many times did Trump get accused of "destroying our democracy? Funny because we are all still here, in a full functioning democracy, and he isn't president anymore which proves democracy is alive and well.

    by the skin of our teeth. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    edited September 2021
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    Based on everything that’s happened since POOTWH came down the escalator, I haven’t seen any “good” repubs. In fact, several million more deplorables voted for him in 2020 and thus far are continuing to do POOTWH’s bidding, even doubling and tripling down so enamored are they. If they’re not disavowing that POS, they’re silently supporting him and his agenda.
    Generalizing a group of people is bigotry. Bigotry is hate.

    So, if I were to generalize a group of people at a specific point in time, say, German military officials in the early '40s, would that be bigoted of me?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited September 2021
    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    So go ahead and complain about inflation, the economy, the mistakes made in Afghanistan etc etc etc...that stuff is all fair game but, unfortunately, it PALES in comparison to the fact that the GOP is destroying people's faith in our elections which means they are destroying our democracy. Nothing else matters. 
    How has the GOP position on elections affected you personally? Anyone? Is that the reason why inflation is out of control? You must know something I don't. Inflation impacts more Americans' day to day lives than the GOP whining about elections.

    Nothing else matters? That's a bunch of bullshit. Most things are more important than what you consider, "destroying our democracy". How many times did Trump get accused of "destroying our democracy? Funny because we are all still here, in a full functioning democracy, and he isn't president anymore which proves democracy is alive and well.

    Inflation is a valid concern. But it has been a valid concern for literally all of our lives though. As Russell and others pointed out, It was anticipated to rise after what happened last year anyway. This was expected. 

    Frankly I am happy to be talking about inflation as opposed to wondering if the president actually has the country's best interest in mind or if he is more concerned about himself, his company which he never divested from, or other countries where he owes significant amounts of money. With Trump you never knew largely because he was the first president in 60 years to not release his tax returns...yet another democratic norm in this country he shattered. 

    "Destroying" is implying that Trump and the GOP is still in the process of destroying it. Of course we are still here. Lol. What are you talking about? Trump is still actively trying to destroy our democracy by poisoning our rhetoric and making his millions of supporters lose faith in our free and fair elections literally every chance he gets. He is continuing to do our adversaries work for them to this day. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    JB16057 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    What was that about both sides spewing hate again? Can anyone give a dem equivalent of the below? Anyone? I won’t hold my breath for the repub condemnation. “Great people on both sides,” and all. I’m paywalled out but the headline says it all.



    There are good people on both sides. Not every Republican or person that voted for Donald Trump stand for what the Proud Boys believe.
    So go ahead and complain about inflation, the economy, the mistakes made in Afghanistan etc etc etc...that stuff is all fair game but, unfortunately, it PALES in comparison to the fact that the GOP is destroying people's faith in our elections which means they are destroying our democracy. Nothing else matters. 
    How has the GOP position on elections affected you personally? Anyone? Is that the reason why inflation is out of control? You must know something I don't. Inflation impacts more Americans' day to day lives than the GOP whining about elections.

    Nothing else matters? That's a bunch of bullshit. Most things are more important than what you consider, "destroying our democracy". How many times did Trump get accused of "destroying our democracy? Funny because we are all still here, in a full functioning democracy, and he isn't president anymore which proves democracy is alive and well.



    An autocrat like Trump getting tens of millions of his supporters to believe “either I win or it’s rigged” prevents all of us from living in freedom.

    Your inability to understand that simple truth is astounding. But it is your right. For now.

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