Spring 21 seems improbable given the vaccine timetable. Fall 21 seems feasible if something is approved by end of 20. Other artists are booking Fall 21 and Winter 22 dates. As of now there’s Bottlerock Napa Valley with RHCP on May 28, 2021 but I wouldn’t book a flight just yet.
Right. Spring 2021 just doesn't seem plausible. So unfortunate. Just have to be patient.
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To me it felt like PJ sort of started to settle into a Stones type touring thing. Where you go out and play a modest amount dates, sometimes you take a year off. Never insanely big tours or any thing. I do think it's moderately misleading as it seemed they were about to do a fairly extensive tour to support Gigaton (including additional fall dates, to the shows that got postponed). With Covid happening right after a year off, that's insanely bad luck :(
In the early 90s, they basically had to tour to sell tickets and stay relevant.
2003 or 2006 or so was probably one of the last "real tours" they did...which was right as they got out of their deal with Sony/Epic and begun to do things their own way. Backspacer came out and they did the 2009/2010 tours and then we got the PJ20 stuff along with a Brad tour and a ton of other side projects.
But yeah, this was just bad luck. Part of me still thinks that when Chris died in 2017, that pushed stuff back. Soundgarden would have toured. Jeff had his book that year. Eddie went on tour in Europe...but what happened after Eddie got back from Europe? I don't want to play a blame game, but we're all left wondering what could have happened later in 2017 if Chris didn't die.
Can't Deny Me came out in March of 2018 off the then-forthcoming album.
If they didn't press that reset button, maybe they do a lot more USA in 2018 and even 2019 then they hit up Australia/New Zealand in the first two months, back to Europe over June/July and more USA in late 2019.
Instead, we had to wait about two years from CDM to Gigaton.
Something happened there. Something big.
Yah, you do get the feeling that they took a step back when Chris Cornell passed away. Maybe it took all or some of them a bit to work through that. Then when they were ready to go again, they hit the start over button the album.
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It's a bit a of a bummer we got so few PJ shows over the past however many years, and that Covid hit the brakes right when they were about to start doing a bunch of them. I am glad the band has (mostly) figured out what works for them. Hopefully it means we continue to get tours for a while.
We may have a completely different sounding album if not for CC and the album re-scrap. With BoB and Can’t Deny Me as the big single it probably would have been LB2.
I’m thankful for the steps they took even if time marched on.
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Now that Europe seems to be all set are we going to get some dates for NA? I bet they are still waiting until a certain date to confirm what most of us already are guessing is no spring shows. Then we will hopefully get the whole fall tour rolled out at once.
I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates. Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings. I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.
Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates? Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?
I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates. Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings. I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.
Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates? Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?
I'm surprised they are adding these dates, knowing it's not gonna happen as there is no "official" cure yet for the COVID19 virus. Cases are rising & many cities / countries are going into Phase 2. Wouldn't it make sense to add dates WHEN the cure is officially been announced?
I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates. Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings. I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.
Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates? Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?
I'm surprised they are adding these dates, knowing it's not gonna happen as there is no "official" cure yet for the COVID19 virus. Cases are rising & many cities / countries are going into Phase 2. Wouldn't it make sense to add dates WHEN the cure is officially been announced?
I think there's other challenges. How many artists are going to be starving for $$'s or itching to tour as soon as Covid19 is conquered. Not to mention all the sports teams are going to want to fire back up on all cylinders. There could be issues of availability if everyone wants to tour at the same time. I think this is why some musicians are booking venues, so if the problem is solved they've got venues booked and they aren't competing for space.
It really has me curious what post covid touring is going to look like. I keep seeing all these bands who haven't played for years wanting to get out there. Concerts everywhere, and not enough money to buy all the tickets
Maybe we'll get winter tours again. For the last # of years all the big shows I wanted to see were in the summer. It's ok if you live somewhere where you can go home after the show, but for those of us that travel, it means getting a hotel. Hotel's all up and down the west coast are crazy expensive in the summer. Would love me some cheaper winter tours
I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates. Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings. I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.
Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates? Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?
I'm surprised they are adding these dates, knowing it's not gonna happen as there is no "official" cure yet for the COVID19 virus. Cases are rising & many cities / countries are going into Phase 2. Wouldn't it make sense to add dates WHEN the cure is officially been announced?
I think there's other challenges. How many artists are going to be starving for $$'s or itching to tour as soon as Covid19 is conquered. Not to mention all the sports teams are going to want to fire back up on all cylinders. There could be issues of availability if everyone wants to tour at the same time. I think this is why some musicians are booking venues, so if the problem is solved they've got venues booked and they aren't competing for space.
It really has me curious what post covid touring is going to look like. I keep seeing all these bands who haven't played for years wanting to get out there. Concerts everywhere, and not enough money to buy all the tickets
Maybe we'll get winter tours again. For the last # of years all the big shows I wanted to see were in the summer. It's ok if you live somewhere where you can go home after the show, but for those of us that travel, it means getting a hotel. Hotel's all up and down the west coast are crazy expensive in the summer. Would love me some cheaper winter tours
NHL, NBA, Disney on Ice, Christmas shows, that one electronic group that always tours over Christmas (you know who I mean), bla bla bla...
Plus, summer tours let them do outside stuff.
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With NFL stadiums allowing increased capacities weekly, you have to think that around next summer events will become normal again. I think even if the band could play in the spring, the more likely option is Fall of 2021 for any US/Canada shows.
It is going to take one band/artist to lead the way. Someone will book a football stadium with social distancing and 30% capacity. Then someone will play a 40% capacity show and so on. And it'll just be follow the leader until we are back to full capacity. No one wants to be the first one to do it (negative backlash) but everyone will follow once someone leads the way.
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I'm honestly surprised they're going all in on Eurodates. Everything I'm reading says it's going to be at least 6 to 9 months before Vaccines can start rolling out, and then it'll be a good while before enough people have them to do mass gatherings. I'm still pretty skeptical, and give it 70/30 odds the Eurodates get bumped again.
Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates? Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?
I'm surprised they are adding these dates, knowing it's not gonna happen as there is no "official" cure yet for the COVID19 virus. Cases are rising & many cities / countries are going into Phase 2. Wouldn't it make sense to add dates WHEN the cure is officially been announced?
I think there's other challenges. How many artists are going to be starving for $$'s or itching to tour as soon as Covid19 is conquered. Not to mention all the sports teams are going to want to fire back up on all cylinders. There could be issues of availability if everyone wants to tour at the same time. I think this is why some musicians are booking venues, so if the problem is solved they've got venues booked and they aren't competing for space.
It really has me curious what post covid touring is going to look like. I keep seeing all these bands who haven't played for years wanting to get out there. Concerts everywhere, and not enough money to buy all the tickets
Maybe we'll get winter tours again. For the last # of years all the big shows I wanted to see were in the summer. It's ok if you live somewhere where you can go home after the show, but for those of us that travel, it means getting a hotel. Hotel's all up and down the west coast are crazy expensive in the summer. Would love me some cheaper winter tours
NHL, NBA, Disney on Ice, Christmas shows, that one electronic group that always tours over Christmas (you know who I mean), bla bla bla...
With NFL stadiums allowing increased capacities weekly, you have to think that around next summer events will become normal again. I think even if the band could play in the spring, the more likely option is Fall of 2021 for any US/Canada shows.
It is going to take one band/artist to lead the way. Someone will book a football stadium with social distancing and 30% capacity. Then someone will play a 40% capacity show and so on. And it'll just be follow the leader until we are back to full capacity. No one wants to be the first one to do it (negative backlash) but everyone will follow once someone leads the way.
Miami was given the green light by the governor to go ahead and allow full capacity (65k) for the Dolphin games.
With NFL stadiums allowing increased capacities weekly, you have to think that around next summer events will become normal again. I think even if the band could play in the spring, the more likely option is Fall of 2021 for any US/Canada shows.
It is going to take one band/artist to lead the way. Someone will book a football stadium with social distancing and 30% capacity. Then someone will play a 40% capacity show and so on. And it'll just be follow the leader until we are back to full capacity. No one wants to be the first one to do it (negative backlash) but everyone will follow once someone leads the way.
Miami was given the green light by the governor to go ahead and allow full capacity (65k) for the Dolphin games.
Great so now there can be 50K people cheering for the opponent.
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EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
With NFL stadiums allowing increased capacities weekly, you have to think that around next summer events will become normal again. I think even if the band could play in the spring, the more likely option is Fall of 2021 for any US/Canada shows.
It is going to take one band/artist to lead the way. Someone will book a football stadium with social distancing and 30% capacity. Then someone will play a 40% capacity show and so on. And it'll just be follow the leader until we are back to full capacity. No one wants to be the first one to do it (negative backlash) but everyone will follow once someone leads the way.
Miami was given the green light by the governor to go ahead and allow full capacity (65k) for the Dolphin games.
I saw that. I think based on principle however the band will extend beyond the timeline even if they got the green light. I’d bet on next Fall.
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With NFL stadiums allowing increased capacities weekly, you have to think that around next summer events will become normal again. I think even if the band could play in the spring, the more likely option is Fall of 2021 for any US/Canada shows.
It is going to take one band/artist to lead the way. Someone will book a football stadium with social distancing and 30% capacity. Then someone will play a 40% capacity show and so on. And it'll just be follow the leader until we are back to full capacity. No one wants to be the first one to do it (negative backlash) but everyone will follow once someone leads the way.
Miami was given the green light by the governor to go ahead and allow full capacity (65k) for the Dolphin games.
I saw that. I think based on principle however the band will extend beyond the timeline even if they got the green light. I’d bet on next Fall.
Also the Dolphins have said they are sticking with the 20% max based on CDC guidelines.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
With NFL stadiums allowing increased capacities weekly, you have to think that around next summer events will become normal again. I think even if the band could play in the spring, the more likely option is Fall of 2021 for any US/Canada shows.
It is going to take one band/artist to lead the way. Someone will book a football stadium with social distancing and 30% capacity. Then someone will play a 40% capacity show and so on. And it'll just be follow the leader until we are back to full capacity. No one wants to be the first one to do it (negative backlash) but everyone will follow once someone leads the way.
Miami was given the green light by the governor to go ahead and allow full capacity (65k) for the Dolphin games.
I saw that. I think based on principle however the band will extend beyond the timeline even if they got the green light. I’d bet on next Fall.
Also the Dolphins have said they are sticking with the 20% max based on CDC guidelines.
2021 Boston Marathon deferred to at least October from April. Does that make Fall 2021 the earliest possible chance for US shows?
Yah. It seems like best case scenario is a working vaccinne (or several working vaccines) are proved to work early next year. Then it's going to take a very long time to manufacture all of them.
Covid's not going away on it's own. I wouldn't be surprised if next summers Euro tour ends up getting postponed. I think next fall only happens under best case scenario.. it could be 2022 :(
2021 Boston Marathon deferred to at least October from April. Does that make Fall 2021 the earliest possible chance for US shows?
While that maybe true I do not think that is the only reason they chose the fall to push it too. Hot summer weather is a major concern for these type of races and that would have played a factor as well. I would guess if they knew the summer was going to be ok they still would have gone with this date.
If I’m being optimistic then ohana is their next show.
And even that’s far from certain at this stage.
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I think the issue was that I was on SiriusXM.com/pearljamradio. They used to be there, but seemingly not in a while.
Maybe they had less flexibility when it came to Europe and it was more pressing to book in dates? Maybe they have more flexibility in the US and are trying to hold off as long as possible on announcing in case they have to bump them again?
It really has me curious what post covid touring is going to look like. I keep seeing all these bands who haven't played for years wanting to get out there. Concerts everywhere, and not enough money to buy all the tickets
Maybe we'll get winter tours again. For the last # of years all the big shows I wanted to see were in the summer. It's ok if you live somewhere where you can go home after the show, but for those of us that travel, it means getting a hotel. Hotel's all up and down the west coast are crazy expensive in the summer. Would love me some cheaper winter tours
NHL, NBA, Disney on Ice, Christmas shows, that one electronic group that always tours over Christmas (you know who I mean), bla bla bla...
Plus, summer tours let them do outside stuff.
It is going to take one band/artist to lead the way. Someone will book a football stadium with social distancing and 30% capacity. Then someone will play a 40% capacity show and so on. And it'll just be follow the leader until we are back to full capacity. No one wants to be the first one to do it (negative backlash) but everyone will follow once someone leads the way.
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
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Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Bingo!
I was also really thinking of Trans-Siberian Orchestra, but either is an acceptable answer.
Agreed.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
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Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
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