Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

I only watched highlights of both townhalls. At least according to the highlights of about 3 questions each, Biden was asked much easier questions than Trump. Trump was almost like "gotcha" questions from undecided voters where Biden was given softballs to knock out.
That's just what I gathered from watching the highlight reel, not sure if that represents the entire evening or not.

I don't understand the "softball" stuff.  Of course they aren't going to ask Biden about caging children, hiding COVID19 from the public, etc., because he hasn't done any of that.

Well they very well could have asked him about caged children. Isn't it common knowledge at this point that some of those photos that circulated about how bad conditions were with kids in cages were actually taken during Obama's term? So yes, that could have been a fair question to ask and allow him to defend or explain. Trump did have a stricter policy that lead to more children being detained, I'm not saying he didn't, but sure since it was such a big issue it would be a fair question. No reason not to ask him about other big topics, like him being against the China travel ban in January, which he has since denied being against. So if they were being treated equally the moderator would have quotes ready to interrupt and counter his answer with.
I'm not saying that's how it should have been handled. I actually don't like that, let the person finish then have a moment for a rebuttal. I was just pointing out the differences I saw based on brief highlights of the 2 and even added I'm not sure if those highlights are a fair representation of the evenings.

No they couldn't....Obama/Biden didn't participate in separation of families, massive overcrowding of facilities.  Get out of your bubble.

I never claimed he separated families. You brought up cages and children. I said some of the pictures that circulated that sparked the outrage of the treatment of children in custody came from during the Obama administration. No one called those pictures cages or complained aboutte conditions until later. Why is it inapparpraite to let Biden answer that question? You said you can't ask Biden about caged children, I asked why not, they were in chain link fences (cages) during his term, so why is it not a fair question? I never said anything about separating families. 

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

I only watched highlights of both townhalls. At least according to the highlights of about 3 questions each, Biden was asked much easier questions than Trump. Trump was almost like "gotcha" questions from undecided voters where Biden was given softballs to knock out.
That's just what I gathered from watching the highlight reel, not sure if that represents the entire evening or not.

I don't understand the "softball" stuff.  Of course they aren't going to ask Biden about caging children, hiding COVID19 from the public, etc., because he hasn't done any of that.

Well they very well could have asked him about caged children. Isn't it common knowledge at this point that some of those photos that circulated about how bad conditions were with kids in cages were actually taken during Obama's term? So yes, that could have been a fair question to ask and allow him to defend or explain. Trump did have a stricter policy that lead to more children being detained, I'm not saying he didn't, but sure since it was such a big issue it would be a fair question. No reason not to ask him about other big topics, like him being against the China travel ban in January, which he has since denied being against. So if they were being treated equally the moderator would have quotes ready to interrupt and counter his answer with.
I'm not saying that's how it should have been handled. I actually don't like that, let the person finish then have a moment for a rebuttal. I was just pointing out the differences I saw based on brief highlights of the 2 and even added I'm not sure if those highlights are a fair representation of the evenings.

No they couldn't....Obama/Biden didn't participate in separation of families, massive overcrowding of facilities.  Get out of your bubble.

I never claimed he separated families. You brought up cages and children. I said some of the pictures that circulated that sparked the outrage of the treatment of children in custody came from during the Obama administration. No one called those pictures cages or complained aboutte conditions until later. Why is it inapparpraite to let Biden answer that question? You said you can't ask Biden about caged children, I asked why not, they were in chain link fences (cages) during his term, so why is it not a fair question? I never said anything about separating families. 

The facilities are what they are...they don't change with each admin.  What changed was the separation of families by tRUmp.

to be fair, it was my impression that most people blamed trump for the cages at all, not just the separation of families. the middle and left media did little (that i saw) to correct that misconception. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

I only watched highlights of both townhalls. At least according to the highlights of about 3 questions each, Biden was asked much easier questions than Trump. Trump was almost like "gotcha" questions from undecided voters where Biden was given softballs to knock out.
That's just what I gathered from watching the highlight reel, not sure if that represents the entire evening or not.

I don't understand the "softball" stuff.  Of course they aren't going to ask Biden about caging children, hiding COVID19 from the public, etc., because he hasn't done any of that.

Well they very well could have asked him about caged children. Isn't it common knowledge at this point that some of those photos that circulated about how bad conditions were with kids in cages were actually taken during Obama's term? So yes, that could have been a fair question to ask and allow him to defend or explain. Trump did have a stricter policy that lead to more children being detained, I'm not saying he didn't, but sure since it was such a big issue it would be a fair question. No reason not to ask him about other big topics, like him being against the China travel ban in January, which he has since denied being against. So if they were being treated equally the moderator would have quotes ready to interrupt and counter his answer with.
I'm not saying that's how it should have been handled. I actually don't like that, let the person finish then have a moment for a rebuttal. I was just pointing out the differences I saw based on brief highlights of the 2 and even added I'm not sure if those highlights are a fair representation of the evenings.

No they couldn't....Obama/Biden didn't participate in separation of families, massive overcrowding of facilities.  Get out of your bubble.

I never claimed he separated families. You brought up cages and children. I said some of the pictures that circulated that sparked the outrage of the treatment of children in custody came from during the Obama administration. No one called those pictures cages or complained aboutte conditions until later. Why is it inapparpraite to let Biden answer that question? You said you can't ask Biden about caged children, I asked why not, they were in chain link fences (cages) during his term, so why is it not a fair question? I never said anything about separating families. 

The facilities are what they are...they don't change with each admin.  What changed was the separation of families by tRUmp.

to be fair, it was my impression that most people blamed trump for the cages at all, not just the separation of families. the middle and left media did little (that i saw) to correct that misconception.

Exactly. And it would be a total fair question to ask "Considering some of those facilities were built during your term, what is your reaction to Trump's treatment of the children and how was it different when you were in office?" Would actually be a pretty good question I think. And people were completely outraged over the fences (cages) until they learned they were put in before Trump. That doesn't mean they wasn't outrage over the separation, it was for both.

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

I only watched highlights of both townhalls. At least according to the highlights of about 3 questions each, Biden was asked much easier questions than Trump. Trump was almost like "gotcha" questions from undecided voters where Biden was given softballs to knock out.
That's just what I gathered from watching the highlight reel, not sure if that represents the entire evening or not.

I don't understand the "softball" stuff.  Of course they aren't going to ask Biden about caging children, hiding COVID19 from the public, etc., because he hasn't done any of that.

Well they very well could have asked him about caged children. Isn't it common knowledge at this point that some of those photos that circulated about how bad conditions were with kids in cages were actually taken during Obama's term? So yes, that could have been a fair question to ask and allow him to defend or explain. Trump did have a stricter policy that lead to more children being detained, I'm not saying he didn't, but sure since it was such a big issue it would be a fair question. No reason not to ask him about other big topics, like him being against the China travel ban in January, which he has since denied being against. So if they were being treated equally the moderator would have quotes ready to interrupt and counter his answer with.
I'm not saying that's how it should have been handled. I actually don't like that, let the person finish then have a moment for a rebuttal. I was just pointing out the differences I saw based on brief highlights of the 2 and even added I'm not sure if those highlights are a fair representation of the evenings.

Here's what Biden tweeted..  Tell me which part you disagree with.

A wall will not stop the coronavirus.

Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it.

This disease could impact every nation and any person on the planet — and we need a plan to combat it.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden)March 13, 2020

And from April 3rd.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus/index.html  Joe Biden's campaign said Friday the former vice president supports President Donald Trump's January 31 decision to ban foreign nationals who had been in China within the previous 14 days from entering the United States.

"Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy," Kate Bedingfeld, Biden's deputy campaign manager, told CNN. "Science supported this ban, therefore he did too."

So the premise of your question would be wrong to ask him.  This is why real journalists that do actual research are best suited to ask questions. 

So whats the point of the town hall with voters asking questions then then? That isnt a good idea?

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

I only watched highlights of both townhalls. At least according to the highlights of about 3 questions each, Biden was asked much easier questions than Trump. Trump was almost like "gotcha" questions from undecided voters where Biden was given softballs to knock out.
That's just what I gathered from watching the highlight reel, not sure if that represents the entire evening or not.

I don't understand the "softball" stuff.  Of course they aren't going to ask Biden about caging children, hiding COVID19 from the public, etc., because he hasn't done any of that.

Well they very well could have asked him about caged children. Isn't it common knowledge at this point that some of those photos that circulated about how bad conditions were with kids in cages were actually taken during Obama's term? So yes, that could have been a fair question to ask and allow him to defend or explain. Trump did have a stricter policy that lead to more children being detained, I'm not saying he didn't, but sure since it was such a big issue it would be a fair question. No reason not to ask him about other big topics, like him being against the China travel ban in January, which he has since denied being against. So if they were being treated equally the moderator would have quotes ready to interrupt and counter his answer with.
I'm not saying that's how it should have been handled. I actually don't like that, let the person finish then have a moment for a rebuttal. I was just pointing out the differences I saw based on brief highlights of the 2 and even added I'm not sure if those highlights are a fair representation of the evenings.

No they couldn't....Obama/Biden didn't participate in separation of families, massive overcrowding of facilities.  Get out of your bubble.

I never claimed he separated families. You brought up cages and children. I said some of the pictures that circulated that sparked the outrage of the treatment of children in custody came from during the Obama administration. No one called those pictures cages or complained aboutte conditions until later. Why is it inapparpraite to let Biden answer that question? You said you can't ask Biden about caged children, I asked why not, they were in chain link fences (cages) during his term, so why is it not a fair question? I never said anything about separating families. 

The facilities are what they are...they don't change with each admin.  What changed was the separation of families by tRUmp.

to be fair, it was my impression that most people blamed trump for the cages at all, not just the separation of families. the middle and left media did little (that i saw) to correct that misconception. 

I can't speak for everyone but I remember the discussion early on that the facilities were not built during the tRump admin.  Of course politics will take over and continue a "children in cages" narrative.  

It's just like the people that keep saying Biden was against the travel ban with China

fair enough, i found out here. 

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

I only watched highlights of both townhalls. At least according to the highlights of about 3 questions each, Biden was asked much easier questions than Trump. Trump was almost like "gotcha" questions from undecided voters where Biden was given softballs to knock out.
That's just what I gathered from watching the highlight reel, not sure if that represents the entire evening or not.

I don't understand the "softball" stuff.  Of course they aren't going to ask Biden about caging children, hiding COVID19 from the public, etc., because he hasn't done any of that.

Well they very well could have asked him about caged children. Isn't it common knowledge at this point that some of those photos that circulated about how bad conditions were with kids in cages were actually taken during Obama's term? So yes, that could have been a fair question to ask and allow him to defend or explain. Trump did have a stricter policy that lead to more children being detained, I'm not saying he didn't, but sure since it was such a big issue it would be a fair question. No reason not to ask him about other big topics, like him being against the China travel ban in January, which he has since denied being against. So if they were being treated equally the moderator would have quotes ready to interrupt and counter his answer with.
I'm not saying that's how it should have been handled. I actually don't like that, let the person finish then have a moment for a rebuttal. I was just pointing out the differences I saw based on brief highlights of the 2 and even added I'm not sure if those highlights are a fair representation of the evenings.

Here's what Biden tweeted..  Tell me which part you disagree with.

A wall will not stop the coronavirus.

Banning all travel from Europe — or any other part of the world — will not stop it.

This disease could impact every nation and any person on the planet — and we need a plan to combat it.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden)March 13, 2020

And from April 3rd.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus/index.html  Joe Biden's campaign said Friday the former vice president supports President Donald Trump's January 31 decision to ban foreign nationals who had been in China within the previous 14 days from entering the United States.

"Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy," Kate Bedingfeld, Biden's deputy campaign manager, told CNN. "Science supported this ban, therefore he did too."

So the premise of your question would be wrong to ask him.  This is why real journalists that do actual research are best suited to ask questions. 

So whats the point of the town hall with voters asking questions then then? That isnt a good idea?

I thought the criticism was that the questions were too easy. You can't really blame CNN for easy questions unless they wrote them for the citizen.  Or if they struck crazy ass ones like.... "Why are you a pedophile?"

It was, but you said the premise of my question was wrong and that is why only journalist should ask questions. I disagreed, I think its good to hear from voters. 

Biden didn't speak out in support of the China ban for about a month and half. There's no doubt that tweet and video were in direct reference to China without actually mentioning China. It was made the day of the ban, can't be much more obvious to me when you say we're adding more countries to the ban the day China was added to the ban. He also made several other general and vague comments about Trump's treatment of China. As I said earlier, I thought his comments were more obvious and direct that what I remember, but it's been 8 months, I don't have a perfect memory.
What I am pretty sure happened is this was all intentional, his comments were vague enough to where if the China ban was proven to be a bad thing he could come out and say he was against it from the beginning. If it looked like a good idea he could do what is happening now, say he always supported it and wasn't talking about the China ban when he mentioned countries being denied access to this country on January 31, the day the ban was announced. If you don't think he was referencing China though that's just horribly unfortunate timing to just randomly tweet out about travel bans the same day a ban on China was announced. Talk about a coincidence. 

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Biden didn't speak out in support of the China ban for about a month and half. There's no doubt that tweet and video were in direct reference to China without actually mentioning China. It was made the day of the ban, can't be much more obvious to me when you say we're adding more countries to the ban the day China was added to the ban. He also made several other general and vague comments about Trump's treatment of China. As I said earlier, I thought his comments were more obvious and direct that what I remember, but it's been 8 months, I don't have a perfect memory.
What I am pretty sure happened is this was all intentional, his comments were vague enough to where if the China ban was proven to be a bad thing he could come out and say he was against it from the beginning. If it looked like a good idea he could do what is happening now, say he always supported it and wasn't talking about the China ban when he mentioned countries being denied access to this country on January 31, the day the ban was announced. If you don't think he was referencing China though that's just horribly unfortunate timing to just randomly tweet out about travel bans the same day a ban on China was announced. Talk about a coincidence. 

Out of all the shit that's going on, you sure are taking a deep dive into a vague tweet that doesn't matter in the least.

If anything, it's a mark in Biden's favour that he's careful about what he tweets, unlike your current president.

Yeah I would much prefer Biden's approach than constantly telling us you did a great job and saved 2 million lives, among many other hourly piles of complete bullshit that comes out of his mouth and twitter feed. 

Early voting looks to favor Biden..most lines show people wearing masks...Masks=Biden