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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Corticosteroids confirmed to reduce by a third the risk of death in severely ill Covid patients (those requiring intubation or other mechanical respiratory support). More modest reduction in death for those requiring oxygen but not intubation, and might make things worse for those who don’t require respiratory support. 

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    just read that. i suppose a third is great news, i guess every time i read a headline like that i'm kind of subconsciously hoping for a figure much higher than that. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    just read that. i suppose a third is great news, i guess every time i read a headline like that i'm kind of subconsciously hoping for a figure much higher than that. 
    35% reduction in mortality for the most seriously ill is major. 
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  • PJNB
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    oftenreading said:
    Corticosteroids confirmed to reduce by a third the risk of death in severely ill Covid patients (those requiring intubation or other mechanical respiratory support). More modest reduction in death for those requiring oxygen but not intubation, and might make things worse for those who don’t require respiratory support. 

    This is great news! Also I posted this link in the Euro thread on the Porch. Them saying late October screams to me like a political move by Trump to garner more votes. That said if it does come out that soon and is a vaccine that works I am all for it obviously. 

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/02/health/cdc-covid-19-vaccine-distribution/index.html
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    just read that. i suppose a third is great news, i guess every time i read a headline like that i'm kind of subconsciously hoping for a figure much higher than that. 
    35% reduction in mortality for the most seriously ill is major. 
    i know. i'm just always hoping for a miracle, like 95% kinda thing. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    First Covid death linked to Sturgis reported. 

    Covid cases in North Dakota have doubled since the rally, and increased quite a bit in neighbouring states. 
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  • dignin
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    oftenreading said:
    First Covid death linked to Sturgis reported. 

    Covid cases in North Dakota have doubled since the rally, and increased quite a bit in neighbouring states. 

      

    “Somebody once told me the virus was baloney. He ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed,” Colbert’s version of the song goes, as an image of Donald Trump appears on screen. “I was feeling kinda numb with a burning in the lungs. And I said I don’t think that it’s COVID. Well, the chills start coming and they don’t stop coming. Feelin’ short of breath like I just went running. Didn’t make sense to stay home, no fun. Instead went out, infected everyone.


    “So much to touch, so much to lick, so what’s wrong with my little droplets? You’ll never know if you don’t test. Why do I feel pain in my chest? Hey now, we’re contagious, we’re in Sturgis, no mask. Hey now, you’re a biker, we’re all sharing one flask. This is worse than the flu. I’ll be seeing you in the I.C.U.”

  • mickeyrat
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    hmmm. be ready for nov 1 initial  vaccine availability?


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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mickeyrat said:
    hmmm. be ready for nov 1 initial  vaccine availability?


    unbelievable that this POS has politicized people's lives to try to win the election. he's fucking evil. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

    Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    OnWis97 said:
    One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

    Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...
    science. i think we're all intelligent enough to believe the scientists, regardless of any political leanings. the ones that think it's a hoax, i believe, are the fringe who would frequent breitbart and the like. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    OnWis97 said:
    One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

    Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...
    to underscore your point, there is that 6% CDC thing that went semi-viral and is making some people believe that covid deaths are highly over-reported, due to the finding that 94% of covid deaths had a comorbidity. However, it's not that simple. This article outlines it in a very understandable way. 

    https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21410352/cdc-6-percent-covid-19-deaths-comorbidities
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  • Lerxst1992
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    hmmmm...

    "South Dakota surpassed 3,000 active COVID-19 cases Thursday while becoming the state with the highest per capita surge in the nation"


    Sturgis crowd still in the house?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    hmmmm...

    "South Dakota surpassed 3,000 active COVID-19 cases Thursday while becoming the state with the highest per capita surge in the nation"


    Sturgis crowd still in the house?
    Team Trump Treason has the bikers. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

    Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...
    to underscore your point, there is that 6% CDC thing that went semi-viral and is making some people believe that covid deaths are highly over-reported, due to the finding that 94% of covid deaths had a comorbidity. However, it's not that simple. This article outlines it in a very understandable way. 

    https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21410352/cdc-6-percent-covid-19-deaths-comorbidities
    Unless you’re hit by a bus when you’re 22, almost all deaths involve comorbidities. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

    Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...
    to underscore your point, there is that 6% CDC thing that went semi-viral and is making some people believe that covid deaths are highly over-reported, due to the finding that 94% of covid deaths had a comorbidity. However, it's not that simple. This article outlines it in a very understandable way. 

    https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21410352/cdc-6-percent-covid-19-deaths-comorbidities
    Unless you’re hit by a bus when you’re 22, almost all deaths involve comorbidities. 
    can you give an example?
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  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,032
    Lerxst1992 said:
    hmmmm...

    "South Dakota surpassed 3,000 active COVID-19 cases Thursday while becoming the state with the highest per capita surge in the nation"


    Sturgis crowd still in the house?
    And their State Fair starts today 
  • Poncier
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

    Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...
    science. i think we're all intelligent enough to believe the scientists, regardless of any political leanings. the ones that think it's a hoax, i believe, are the fringe who would frequent breitbart and the like. 

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

    Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...
    to underscore your point, there is that 6% CDC thing that went semi-viral and is making some people believe that covid deaths are highly over-reported, due to the finding that 94% of covid deaths had a comorbidity. However, it's not that simple. This article outlines it in a very understandable way. 

    https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21410352/cdc-6-percent-covid-19-deaths-comorbidities
    Unless you’re hit by a bus when you’re 22, almost all deaths involve comorbidities. 
    can you give an example?

    The average age of death in Canada currently is just over 81 years. As we get older, even if we lead an exemplary lifestyle (and how many of us do?), we almost inevitably accumulate health issues, which are worsened by a multitude of lifestyle choices, our genetics, and bad luck.  If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a young and healthy adult their odds of recovering are very high because they usually haven't accumulated a bunch of other health issues . If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a middle aged or older adult, they may well also be dealing with diabetes, or limited respiratory function from smoking, or reduction in cardiac function due to some clogged arteries, maybe reduced kidney function. All of those things make it more likely that they will tip into respiratory failure, or have an MI, or go into multi-organ failure, and not recover, because there is less reserve to draw on.  They used to call pneumonia "the old man's friend", because it was a relatively painless way that old and already sick individuals would finally die. Determining the exact cause of death in these circumstances is tricky because it's multifactorial. So yes, no surprise at all that 94% of covid deaths would have a comorbidity, since the majority of those who died are over 65. That doesn't diminish the importance of the covid infection, since many/most of those people wouldn't have died then without it.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    OnWis97 said:
    One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

    Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...
    to underscore your point, there is that 6% CDC thing that went semi-viral and is making some people believe that covid deaths are highly over-reported, due to the finding that 94% of covid deaths had a comorbidity. However, it's not that simple. This article outlines it in a very understandable way. 

    https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21410352/cdc-6-percent-covid-19-deaths-comorbidities
    Unless you’re hit by a bus when you’re 22, almost all deaths involve comorbidities. 
    can you give an example?

    The average age of death in Canada currently is just over 81 years. As we get older, even if we lead an exemplary lifestyle (and how many of us do?), we almost inevitably accumulate health issues, which are worsened by a multitude of lifestyle choices, our genetics, and bad luck.  If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a young and healthy adult their odds of recovering are very high because they usually haven't accumulated a bunch of other health issues . If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a middle aged or older adult, they may well also be dealing with diabetes, or limited respiratory function from smoking, or reduction in cardiac function due to some clogged arteries, maybe reduced kidney function. All of those things make it more likely that they will tip into respiratory failure, or have an MI, or go into multi-organ failure, and not recover, because there is less reserve to draw on.  They used to call pneumonia "the old man's friend", because it was a relatively painless way that old and already sick individuals would finally die. Determining the exact cause of death in these circumstances is tricky because it's multifactorial. So yes, no surprise at all that 94% of covid deaths would have a comorbidity, since the majority of those who died are over 65. That doesn't diminish the importance of the covid infection, since many/most of those people wouldn't have died then without it.
    ok, yes, since you are drawing from the pool that are of a certain age group, but doesn't covid cause death proportionally more in younger adults than any other virus that we've known?
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