@23scidoo At least you are in Greece brother, where your fully vaccinated leader and his fully vaccinated wife are not masked up with a fictional character while outside... Propaganda much?
Hank did finally seem to keep to his word but it was pretty funny when he would claim he was leaving and then come right back.
Like I said, keep your pecker down. It will be a brief stint. I never knew this place had an ignore feature, but reading through some of these threads I see people talking about one. How come you guys never ignored me? I feel so honored.
Opinion: Why tearing down Fauci is essential to the MAGA myth
MAGA political philosophy is not systematic, but it is comprehensive. Right-wing populism offers a distorted lens to view nearly all of life.
Through this warped lens, progress toward equal rights is actually the oppression of White people. Free and fair elections, when lost, are actually conspiratorial plots by the ruthless left. But perhaps the most remarkable distortion concerns the MAGA view of covid-19.
We have all seen the basic outlines of pandemic reality. Experts in epidemiology warned that the disease would spread through contact or droplets at short distances, which is how it spread. The experts recommended early lockdowns to keep health systems from being overwhelmed, and the lockdowns generally worked. The experts said Americans could influence the spread of the disease by taking basic measures such as mask-wearing and social distancing. The disease was controlled when people did these things. The disease ran rampant when they did not, killing a lot of old and vulnerable people in the process.
There were, of course, disagreements along the way about the length of lockdowns and the form of mandates. But on the whole, American citizens have witnessed one of the most dramatic vindications of scientific expertise in our history. We have been healthier when we listened to the experts and sicker when we did not.
This is the context in which the MAGA right has chosen to make Anthony S. Fauci — the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 — the villain in their hallucinogenic version of pandemic history.
It is worth disclosing when a columnist has a personal connection to a public figure. I have known Fauci since I was in government during the early 2000s and watched him help create the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. He is the best of public service: supremely knowledgeable, personally compassionate, completely nonpolitical, tenacious in the pursuit of scientific advancement and resolute in applying such knowledge to human betterment. He has no other ambition or agenda than the health of the country and world.
Yet slamming Fauci was a surefire applause line at the Conservative Political Action Conference in February. Former Trump administration officials continue to target him. Republican members of Congress vie with one another to put Fauci in his place.
For Trump officials, including Donald Trump himself, this makes perfect sense. If Fauci has been right about covid, then playing down the disease, mocking masks, modeling superspreader events, denying death tolls, encouraging anti-mandate militias and recommending quack cures were not particularly helpful. If Fauci has been right, they presided over a deadly debacle.
When former Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro claims that Fauci is “the father of the actual virus” or former chief of staff Mark Meadows complains about Fauci’s indifference to the (nearly nonexistent) flow of covid across the southern border, the goal is not really to press arguments. It is to create an alternative MAGA reality in which followers are free from the stress of truth — a safe space in which more than half a million people did not die and their leader was not a vicious, incompetent, delusional threat to the health of the nation.
Metaphorically (but only barely metaphorically), there is a body on the floor with multiple stab wounds. The Trump administration stands beside it with a bloody knife in its hand. It not only claims to be innocent. It claims there is no blood. There is no body. There is no floor.
Congressional Republicans who criticize Fauci to prove their populist manhood are even more pathetic. Their self-abasement is voluntary. Watching Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) debate science with Fauci during committee hearings is like watching Albert Einstein being disputed by his dry cleaner. Fauci is often reduced to making obvious points in a patient voice. Fauci deserves his Presidential Medal of Freedom just for his heroic forbearance.
All these critics of Fauci have chosen to attack the citadel of science at its strongest point. With squirt guns. While naked and blowing kazoos.
This useless exertion is somehow wrapped in the language of freedom. Freedom from the servitude of a piece of cloth on your face that might save your neighbor’s life. Freedom to light off fireworks below a potential avalanche. Freedom to store uranium in your backyard. Freedom to set fire to a crowded theater.
Here is the reality of covid. It is not an easy thing to persuade hundreds of millions of people who feel perfectly healthy to wear masks, socially distance and get a vaccine injected into their arms. Fauci is dedicated to these goals. Anyone who purposely undermines them is a danger to the health and safety of their fellow citizens.
Fauci is practicing epidemiology. His critics are practicing idiocy. Both are very good at their chosen work.
Maxi, buddy, why should we believe Fauci? He has been proven wrong time and again during this past year.
A couple of posts back my guy @23scidoo posted an article about the AZ vaccine being very harmful to younger poeple, but just last week Fauci is quoted as saying, "a good vaccine that is going to have a very important role in the global response to this outbreak,"
He dismissed the blood clot problem in younger people as "not an issue."
Very good article, @Halifax2TheMax Here's what people who either don't think very deeply or are willfully ignorant don't recognize.. An Epi is like any other expert out there.. they are trained to provide advice on how to reduce the risk of a particular issue to as close to zero as possible. It's up to the elected officials to balance that advice with other factor (economic, social, and maybe political as well). That's not the role of the good doctor. I compare it to my general counsel at work. He's not paid to make the final business call. He's paid to provide advice on risk, and how to mitigate that risk as low as possible for legal and regulatory issues. It's up to the rest of the C suite, the ones that run the business, to balance that advice with the economics.
Maxi, buddy, why should we believe Fauci? He has been proven wrong time and again during this past year.
A couple of posts back my guy @23scidoo posted an article about the AZ vaccine being very harmful to younger poeple, but just last week Fauci is quoted as saying, "a good vaccine that is going to have a very important role in the global response to this outbreak,"
He dismissed the blood clot problem in younger people as "not an issue."
Maxi, buddy, why should we believe Fauci? He has been proven wrong time and again during this past year.
A couple of posts back my guy @23scidoo posted an article about the AZ vaccine being very harmful to younger poeple, but just last week Fauci is quoted as saying, "a good vaccine that is going to have a very important role in the global response to this outbreak,"
He dismissed the blood clot problem in younger people as "not an issue."
I rarely respond to obvious trolls and I even less often talk about my personal experience with Dr. Fauci. I started doing volunteer work with people with HIV/AIDS in 1985 which led to many years doing volunteer and paid work with children with HIV/AIDS. Which led to my doing long term volunteer work in the Pediatric/Oncology Clinic at NIH under the leadership of Dr. Fauci. I had multiple opportunities to interact with and learn from Dr. Fauci during the worst of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. We both dealt with dozens if not hundreds of people (adults and children) who died a terrible unnecessary death.
He and many other HIV/AIDS researchers had little or no idea what was going to happen next or which protocol would work. It is the same today with Covid-19. We know way more than we did a year ago but still don't know what will happen next or what really works or what doesn't. So feel free to insult Dr. Fauci all you want. Feel free to attempt to wind up those of us who believe in him and science. In the end we all will have made some incorrect choices and some correct ones. But you'll still be a troll and karma will not look kindly upon you. Namaste
Maxi, buddy, why should we believe Fauci? He has been proven wrong time and again during this past year.
A couple of posts back my guy @23scidoo posted an article about the AZ vaccine being very harmful to younger poeple, but just last week Fauci is quoted as saying, "a good vaccine that is going to have a very important role in the global response to this outbreak,"
He dismissed the blood clot problem in younger people as "not an issue."
I rarely respond to obvious trolls and I even less often talk about my personal experience with Dr. Fauci. I started doing volunteer work with people with HIV/AIDS in 1985 which led to many years doing volunteer and paid work with children with HIV/AIDS. Which led to my doing long term volunteer work in the Pediatric/Oncology Clinic at NIH under the leadership of Dr. Fauci. I had multiple opportunities to interact with and learn from Dr. Fauci during the worst of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. We both dealt with dozens if not hundreds of people (adults and children) who died a terrible unnecessary death.
He and many other HIV/AIDS researchers had little or no idea what was going to happen next or which protocol would work. It is the same today with Covid-19. We know way more than we did a year ago but still don't know what will happen next or what really works or what doesn't. So feel free to insult Dr. Fauci all you want. Feel free to attempt to wind up those of us who believe in him and science. In the end we all will have made some incorrect choices and some correct ones. But you'll still be a troll and karma will not look kindly upon you. Namaste
Not sure what data the deniers are holding onto. Every time the doctors said the virus is coming back, it has, and even in greater numbers each time. Without the vaccines, Great America would be staring down the barrel of over a million deaths. Trump said we’d be done with the virus by last Easter. A year later, cases are increasing from a very high plateau. Trump and the republicans have been wrong about everything yet let’s attack Fauci.
TX is testing far less than other states, yet has as many deaths from covid. At best, they timed their “reopening” perfectly with the vaccine. At worst, they needlessly risked the lives of thousands by not waiting another month. And for those keeping score, NY has been open in many areas since Labor Day. Doctors may be telling us schools are safe, yet high schools are reporting new cases every day. Tough to keep case numbers low in NY with 2000 high schools and testing to keep them open.
The great Donald Trump once said that we only have high numbers because we're testing. Test less and have less "known" cases, but somehow the death totals don't correlate. That tricky science again.
When these deniers get sick (from anything) they will go seek out help from the doctors that would tell them now they should get vaccinated. Seems a little silly.
Hank did finally seem to keep to his word but it was pretty funny when he would claim he was leaving and then come right back.
Like I said, keep your pecker down. It will be a brief stint. I never knew this place had an ignore feature, but reading through some of these threads I see people talking about one. How come you guys never ignored me? I feel so honored.
@23sicdoo I appreciate you man. Most of these people in here cannot be reasoned with and any criticism of the Branch Covidian faith is not tolerated.
Hey, speaking of that AZ vaccine, did you see what made for tv doctor Anthony Fauci said on it just last week. The guy really knows his stuff, you must listen and obey!
so the director of the National Institute of Infectious Diseases for 3 decades with multiple awards and accolades for his work is a "made for tv doctor" to you?
do you get your daily psych advice from "Dr" Phil? Howbowda?
I personally believe and respect someone, doctor or not, when they say "I don't know", instead of just making up lies. Fauci relies on actual data, so him saying he doesn't know what Texans are doing is factually correct.
what kind of moron expects him to know what everyone in texas is doing?
I guess you don't think that the only way we reach herd immunity is by 70-80% vaccination. and if people are taking the lead from their leaders who are getting it wrong, then of course they won't get the vaccine. especially with the nutters out there decrying their efficacy or magnifying the so-called dangers of them.
man I'm glad I live in canada. where we happily leave our basements and enjoy the outdoors, go to a patio to have a drink and an appetizer, confident that our leaders actually give a fuck about their constituents (yes, even the conservative leaders), and are keeping everyone safe until most of us can get vaccinated and back to normal life.
You show me a quote by any epidemiology expert that thinks this was okay. That this was prudent or necessary.
Let er rip and see how it goes is completely irresponsible and fuckin stupid.
Well, you wanted a quote from an epidemilogist saying it was ok, I don't exactly have that but I have a quote from a guy who plays one on tv and he thinks its.... well, what is he saying here?
For a guy that has been the go to on this for a year, he sure doesn't know a whole lot. "They could be doing stuff outdoors" from the guy who said to "stay inside your home" for a year. Science y'all!
So your expectation is the Fauci would know what every individual is doing in a state and how those puts and takes at up to affect the overall infection rate of a one in a lifetime disease, and to do this comparison at the same time that a massive vaccine roll out is happening?
Do you expect that he's omniscient?
I mean what does this guy think, Fauci clearly said sometimes these things take a few weeks to see the effects. Hardly an endorsement. As someone that lives in Texas and doesn’t hide in their basement, well that ballpark fiasco is irresponsible as hell, this isn’t a small gathering, meeting a coworker at an open air patio for a beer, this is thousands of people drinking beer eating hot dogs and farting on each other. If anyone dies because they catch it from these idiots I hope they know the attendees were righteously expressing their freedoms...
If lockdowns worked then why has Toronto been locked down since November? The only time since that cases came down is when schools were closed. Within a few weeks of schools re-opening case numbers went up. Toronto and Peel have now switched back to online learning...and now less than a week after our incompetent premier introduced more mock down measures he set to announce even tougher mock down measures...
It’s easy to support mock downs if you have not lost your job taken a huge financial hit...
Our premier is allowing people to die because he is such an incompetent buffoon.
Our incompetent PM has cost lives because he got in bed with fuck China and their vaccine in which the fuck China screwed us, instead of working with our allies...
Vaccinated people are still getting COVID-19 — but why?
The COVID-19 vaccines are not 100% effective, but they do tend to reduce the severity of infection if the virus is contracted.
DETROIT (FOX 2) - Nearly 250 people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have tested positive for the virus, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services said.
According
to MDHHS, 246 people have had a positive test 14 or more days after
receiving their second dose of the vaccine as of the end of March. The
people who have tested positive have been asymptomatic or have had
milder symptoms compared to unvaccinated people.
So
far, more than 1.7 million Michigan residents have received complete
doses of the vaccine. This means that .0001 of those vaccinated have
gotten sick. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are considered 95% and 94%
effective respectively, meaning that the vaccines are not 100%
effective, but if people do get sick, the infections tend to be less
severe.
Of
the positive cases, 129 had no data entered about hospitalizations,
while 117 did have that information. Eleven were hospitalized, 103 were
not, and three were marked as unknown.
This data contradicts a statement made by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said last week.
"Zero percent of the people in our hospitals right now have been vaccinated, which tells you the vaccines work," she said.
Additionally,
according to MDHHS, three people older than 65 have died. Two of those
deaths were within three weeks of completion of vaccination.
Officials
said the majority of the population develops full immunity within 14
days of completion of their vaccine series, but a small proportion
appears to take longer to get a full antibody response.
The CDC is working to understand the risk characteristics of this group, MDHHS said.
The
health department reiterated that the proportion of vaccinated people
who have been symptomatic, hospitalized, or have died are lower than
those who are unvaccinated.
Also, health officials said some of
those people who have tested positive for COVID after getting vaccinated
may have been continuing to test positive from a recent infection prior
to being fully vaccinated.
The cases are being reviewed to
determine if they meet other CDC criteria for determination of potential
breakthrough, including the absence of a positive antigen or PCR test
less than 45 days prior to the post-vaccination positive test.
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confident that our leaders actually give a fuck about their constituents (yes, even the conservative leaders), and are keeping everyone safe until most of us can get vaccinated and back to normal life.
confident that our leaders actually give a fuck about their constituents (yes, even the conservative leaders), and are keeping everyone safe until most of us can get vaccinated and back to normal life.
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Opinion: Why tearing down Fauci is essential to the MAGA myth
MAGA political philosophy is not systematic, but it is comprehensive. Right-wing populism offers a distorted lens to view nearly all of life.
Through this warped lens, progress toward equal rights is actually the oppression of White people. Free and fair elections, when lost, are actually conspiratorial plots by the ruthless left. But perhaps the most remarkable distortion concerns the MAGA view of covid-19.
We have all seen the basic outlines of pandemic reality. Experts in epidemiology warned that the disease would spread through contact or droplets at short distances, which is how it spread. The experts recommended early lockdowns to keep health systems from being overwhelmed, and the lockdowns generally worked. The experts said Americans could influence the spread of the disease by taking basic measures such as mask-wearing and social distancing. The disease was controlled when people did these things. The disease ran rampant when they did not, killing a lot of old and vulnerable people in the process.
There were, of course, disagreements along the way about the length of lockdowns and the form of mandates. But on the whole, American citizens have witnessed one of the most dramatic vindications of scientific expertise in our history. We have been healthier when we listened to the experts and sicker when we did not.
This is the context in which the MAGA right has chosen to make Anthony S. Fauci — the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 — the villain in their hallucinogenic version of pandemic history.
It is worth disclosing when a columnist has a personal connection to a public figure. I have known Fauci since I was in government during the early 2000s and watched him help create the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. He is the best of public service: supremely knowledgeable, personally compassionate, completely nonpolitical, tenacious in the pursuit of scientific advancement and resolute in applying such knowledge to human betterment. He has no other ambition or agenda than the health of the country and world.
Yet slamming Fauci was a surefire applause line at the Conservative Political Action Conference in February. Former Trump administration officials continue to target him. Republican members of Congress vie with one another to put Fauci in his place.
For Trump officials, including Donald Trump himself, this makes perfect sense. If Fauci has been right about covid, then playing down the disease, mocking masks, modeling superspreader events, denying death tolls, encouraging anti-mandate militias and recommending quack cures were not particularly helpful. If Fauci has been right, they presided over a deadly debacle.
When former Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro claims that Fauci is “the father of the actual virus” or former chief of staff Mark Meadows complains about Fauci’s indifference to the (nearly nonexistent) flow of covid across the southern border, the goal is not really to press arguments. It is to create an alternative MAGA reality in which followers are free from the stress of truth — a safe space in which more than half a million people did not die and their leader was not a vicious, incompetent, delusional threat to the health of the nation.
Metaphorically (but only barely metaphorically), there is a body on the floor with multiple stab wounds. The Trump administration stands beside it with a bloody knife in its hand. It not only claims to be innocent. It claims there is no blood. There is no body. There is no floor.
Congressional Republicans who criticize Fauci to prove their populist manhood are even more pathetic. Their self-abasement is voluntary. Watching Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) debate science with Fauci during committee hearings is like watching Albert Einstein being disputed by his dry cleaner. Fauci is often reduced to making obvious points in a patient voice. Fauci deserves his Presidential Medal of Freedom just for his heroic forbearance.
All these critics of Fauci have chosen to attack the citadel of science at its strongest point. With squirt guns. While naked and blowing kazoos.
This useless exertion is somehow wrapped in the language of freedom. Freedom from the servitude of a piece of cloth on your face that might save your neighbor’s life. Freedom to light off fireworks below a potential avalanche. Freedom to store uranium in your backyard. Freedom to set fire to a crowded theater.
Here is the reality of covid. It is not an easy thing to persuade hundreds of millions of people who feel perfectly healthy to wear masks, socially distance and get a vaccine injected into their arms. Fauci is dedicated to these goals. Anyone who purposely undermines them is a danger to the health and safety of their fellow citizens.
Fauci is practicing epidemiology. His critics are practicing idiocy. Both are very good at their chosen work.
Opinion | Why tearing down Fauci is essential to the MAGA myth - The Washington Post
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A couple of posts back my guy @23scidoo posted an article about the AZ vaccine being very harmful to younger poeple, but just last week Fauci is quoted as saying, "a good vaccine that is going to have a very important role in the global response to this outbreak," He dismissed the blood clot problem in younger people as "not an issue."
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-defends-astra-zenecas-good-vaccine-as-concerns-persist-in-europe-181144480.html?ncid=twitter_yahoonewst_sjwumo1bpf4
It's really pretty simple and common sense.
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I started doing volunteer work with people with HIV/AIDS in 1985 which led to many years doing volunteer and paid work with children with HIV/AIDS.
Which led to my doing long term volunteer work in the Pediatric/Oncology Clinic at NIH under the leadership of Dr. Fauci. I had multiple opportunities to interact with and learn from Dr. Fauci during the worst of the HIV/AIDS epidemic. We both dealt with dozens if not hundreds of people (adults and children) who died a terrible unnecessary death.
He and many other HIV/AIDS researchers had little or no idea what was going to happen next or which protocol would work. It is the same today with Covid-19. We know way more than we did a year ago but still don't know what will happen next or what really works or what doesn't.
So feel free to insult Dr. Fauci all you want. Feel free to attempt to wind up those of us who believe in him and science. In the end we all will have made some incorrect choices and some correct ones. But you'll still be a troll and karma will not look kindly upon you.
Namaste
TX is testing far less than other states, yet has as many deaths from covid. At best, they timed their “reopening” perfectly with the vaccine. At worst, they needlessly risked the lives of thousands by not waiting another month. And for those keeping score, NY has been open in many areas since Labor Day. Doctors may be telling us schools are safe, yet high schools are reporting new cases every day. Tough to keep case numbers low in NY with 2000 high schools and testing to keep them open.
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do you get your daily psych advice from "Dr" Phil? Howbowda?
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what kind of moron expects him to know what everyone in texas is doing?
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man I'm glad I live in canada. where we happily leave our basements and enjoy the outdoors, go to a patio to have a drink and an appetizer, confident that our leaders actually give a fuck about their constituents (yes, even the conservative leaders), and are keeping everyone safe until most of us can get vaccinated and back to normal life.
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Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/how-artificial-intelligence-can-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/
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It’s easy to support mock downs if you have not lost your job taken a huge financial hit...
Our premier is allowing people to die because he is such an incompetent buffoon.
Our incompetent PM has cost lives because he got in bed with fuck China and their vaccine in which the fuck China screwed us, instead of working with our allies...
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Of 1.7M fully vaccinated in Michigan, 246 have tested positive for COVID-19
Vaccinated people are still getting COVID-19 — but why?
The COVID-19 vaccines are not 100% effective, but they do tend to reduce the severity of infection if the virus is contracted.
DETROIT (FOX 2) - Nearly 250 people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have tested positive for the virus, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services said.
According to MDHHS, 246 people have had a positive test 14 or more days after receiving their second dose of the vaccine as of the end of March. The people who have tested positive have been asymptomatic or have had milder symptoms compared to unvaccinated people.
So far, more than 1.7 million Michigan residents have received complete doses of the vaccine. This means that .0001 of those vaccinated have gotten sick. Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are considered 95% and 94% effective respectively, meaning that the vaccines are not 100% effective, but if people do get sick, the infections tend to be less severe.
Related: Every adult in Michigan can now get a COVID-19 vaccine - here's how to get yours
Of the positive cases, 129 had no data entered about hospitalizations, while 117 did have that information. Eleven were hospitalized, 103 were not, and three were marked as unknown.
This data contradicts a statement made by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said last week.
"Zero percent of the people in our hospitals right now have been vaccinated, which tells you the vaccines work," she said.
Additionally, according to MDHHS, three people older than 65 have died. Two of those deaths were within three weeks of completion of vaccination.
Officials said the majority of the population develops full immunity within 14 days of completion of their vaccine series, but a small proportion appears to take longer to get a full antibody response.
More: 'Neighborhood Vaccine Week': Detroit adds 8 COVID-19 vaccine sites
The CDC is working to understand the risk characteristics of this group, MDHHS said.
The health department reiterated that the proportion of vaccinated people who have been symptomatic, hospitalized, or have died are lower than those who are unvaccinated.
Also, health officials said some of those people who have tested positive for COVID after getting vaccinated may have been continuing to test positive from a recent infection prior to being fully vaccinated.
The cases are being reviewed to determine if they meet other CDC criteria for determination of potential breakthrough, including the absence of a positive antigen or PCR test less than 45 days prior to the post-vaccination positive test.
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Good for clicks, I suppose.
I am surprised by the number of people who still don't know how vaccines such as this one work.
Vaccination is not personal immunity. It never has been. If enough people are vaccinated, however, it can lead to a herd immunity.
Ever received the flu shot, then still got a milder flu that season? That happened to me one year.