The coronavirus

Lerxst1992

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump admitted he knew weeks before the first confirmed US coronavirus death that the virus was dangerous, airborne, highly contagious and "more deadly than even your strenuous flus," and that he repeatedly played it down publicly, according to legendary journalist Bob Woodward in his new book "Rage." 

"This is deadly stuff," Trump told Woodward on February 7.

JB16057

Halifax2TheMax said:

“It’s going to go away like things go away.” And yet, Team Trump Treason knew better. Suckers.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html

While reading this article I saw that on January 28th, "Pottinger warned Trump that asymptomatic spread was occurring in China: He had been told 50% of those infected showed no symptoms."

WHO came out on June 8th and said that asymptomatic spread was rare, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

My point is that it is hard to trust anyone when it comes to Covid-19 because there is so much misinformation going out every single day. If you want to bash Trump for downplaying it, please go ahead but if he is the only one you are going to bash, that isn't fair.

How did that study figure out that there were 265,000 cases linked to Sturgis? Anonymous cellphone collection data... There is no proof whatsoever, only theories. Could it be true? Yes. Could it be false? Yes.

I remember being told of a few ways that we were going to beat this thing. One of them was contact tracing. My local hospital will not admit that even 1 Covid-19 test came back positive. We've had 363 total confirmed Covid-19 infections in my county. Only 1 person in their 80's has died. We get between 5-20 new cases per day. No one will admit where these cases came from and it looks like contact tracing is out the door for us locally. I spoke to a public health officer and he told me that most of these new cases are from Hispanics picking produce. They travel together for hours at a time, come home and then infect their whole family. 5-20 cases a day sounds very scary without knowing the details behind them. I was glad to hear this information as it puts these high numbers into perspective for me locally.

I had to do some work at my local hospital installing some signage. I was in the ER waiting as this was the location I needed to do the work. A 20 something came in and could barely breathe. His mask wasn't covering his face fully. The hospital asked him to come in because they did do a Covid-19 test on him but it came back negative. They asked him to come back in as they suspected it was a false negative. They didn't isolate this guy at all. He stood in the middle of the registration deck for a good 5 minutes. He touched the chair and the desk. They wheeled him away in a wheelchair and didn't clean the desk or the chair that was touching. It was really disturbing to see all of this happen right in front of me when we're told how careful we all need to be and take extra precautions yet my local hospital dropped the ball.

hedonist

That’s alarming, for sure. Fortunately my hospital is pretty diligent, ie: limiting visitors, sanitation stands all over, temp screenings just to enter, etc.

I (naively?) assumed most if not all hospitals are using similar protocols. 

Halifax2TheMax

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“It’s going to go away like things go away.” And yet, Team Trump Treason knew better. Suckers.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html

While reading this article I saw that on January 28th, "Pottinger warned Trump that asymptomatic spread was occurring in China: He had been told 50% of those infected showed no symptoms."

WHO came out on June 8th and said that asymptomatic spread was rare, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

My point is that it is hard to trust anyone when it comes to Covid-19 because there is so much misinformation going out every single day. If you want to bash Trump for downplaying it, please go ahead but if he is the only one you are going to bash, that isn't fair.

How did that study figure out that there were 265,000 cases linked to Sturgis? Anonymous cellphone collection data... There is no proof whatsoever, only theories. Could it be true? Yes. Could it be false? Yes.

I remember being told of a few ways that we were going to beat this thing. One of them was contact tracing. My local hospital will not admit that even 1 Covid-19 test came back positive. We've had 363 total confirmed Covid-19 infections in my county. Only 1 person in their 80's has died. We get between 5-20 new cases per day. No one will admit where these cases came from and it looks like contact tracing is out the door for us locally. I spoke to a public health officer and he told me that most of these new cases are from Hispanics picking produce. They travel together for hours at a time, come home and then infect their whole family. 5-20 cases a day sounds very scary without knowing the details behind them. I was glad to hear this information as it puts these high numbers into perspective for me locally.

I had to do some work at my local hospital installing some signage. I was in the ER waiting as this was the location I needed to do the work. A 20 something came in and could barely breathe. His mask wasn't covering his face fully. The hospital asked him to come in because they did do a Covid-19 test on him but it came back negative. They asked him to come back in as they suspected it was a false negative. They didn't isolate this guy at all. He stood in the middle of the registration deck for a good 5 minutes. He touched the chair and the desk. They wheeled him away in a wheelchair and didn't clean the desk or the chair that was touching. It was really disturbing to see all of this happen right in front of me when we're told how careful we all need to be and take extra precautions yet my local hospital dropped the ball.

Team Trump Treason and his administration are responsible for most, if not all, of the misinformation out there as well as states and municipalities not doing what is necessary to understand, track, and deal with the spread. From Florida not reporting cases (repub gubner) to the CDC being politicized, to squashing anyone who disagreed with administration spin or policy, sidelining experts. Remember Team Trump Treason publicly stating that they slowed the testing? Remember him saying it would just "go away?" And now we find out that he knew and he downplayed it because, well, because, he doesn't have a soul? Who is most responsible for spreading mistrust and misinformation? Team Trump Treason still refuses to wear a mask and belittles municipalities and POTUS candidates who do and recommend it. Fuck him.

"Felony stupid."

Parksy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6G3FVJL7lk

Disclaimer: I do not think JT should be PM. I think he has done some sketchy things and should be held accountable. That said.. it's like he took the words right outta my mouth on this one, and for that I give him credit. 

Lerxst1992

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“It’s going to go away like things go away.” And yet, Team Trump Treason knew better. Suckers.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html

While reading this article I saw that on January 28th, "Pottinger warned Trump that asymptomatic spread was occurring in China: He had been told 50% of those infected showed no symptoms."

WHO came out on June 8th and said that asymptomatic spread was rare, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

My point is that it is hard to trust anyone when it comes to Covid-19 because there is so much misinformation going out every single day. If you want to bash Trump for downplaying it, please go ahead but if he is the only one you are going to bash, that isn't fair.

How did that study figure out that there were 265,000 cases linked to Sturgis? Anonymous cellphone collection data... There is no proof whatsoever, only theories. Could it be true? Yes. Could it be false? Yes.

I remember being told of a few ways that we were going to beat this thing. One of them was contact tracing. My local hospital will not admit that even 1 Covid-19 test came back positive. We've had 363 total confirmed Covid-19 infections in my county. Only 1 person in their 80's has died. We get between 5-20 new cases per day. No one will admit where these cases came from and it looks like contact tracing is out the door for us locally. I spoke to a public health officer and he told me that most of these new cases are from Hispanics picking produce. They travel together for hours at a time, come home and then infect their whole family. 5-20 cases a day sounds very scary without knowing the details behind them. I was glad to hear this information as it puts these high numbers into perspective for me locally.

I had to do some work at my local hospital installing some signage. I was in the ER waiting as this was the location I needed to do the work. A 20 something came in and could barely breathe. His mask wasn't covering his face fully. The hospital asked him to come in because they did do a Covid-19 test on him but it came back negative. They asked him to come back in as they suspected it was a false negative. They didn't isolate this guy at all. He stood in the middle of the registration deck for a good 5 minutes. He touched the chair and the desk. They wheeled him away in a wheelchair and didn't clean the desk or the chair that was touching. It was really disturbing to see all of this happen right in front of me when we're told how careful we all need to be and take extra precautions yet my local hospital dropped the ball.

That WHO official was expressing an opinion, not verified by a study.

You criticized the Sturgis data but at least that was based on a scientific study. Of course the study could be wrong but at least that is some level of scientific data.

 The WHO official was expressing personal opinion and did not bother to differentiate between asymptomatic and PREsymptomatic transmission 

Presymptomatic covid transmission is widely believed to be common and the infection passes without the knowledge that you are in the room with someone that has a deadly disease. In effect it’s exactly the same as asymptomatic spread but technically you could contend it is not. This is where trump and his followers are dangerous, he plays half truths to change the “spirit” of the fact pattern to fit his own personal welfare, not yours.

I hope you understand why what the WHO doctor said and your quoting of that is dangerous to your health.

 

JB16057

Halifax2TheMax said:

Team Trump Treason and his administration are responsible for most, if not all, of the misinformation out there as well as states and municipalities not doing what is necessary to understand, track, and deal with the spread.

WHO has been wrong multiple times and they have absolutely nothing to do with Team Trump Treason as you put it. How about China telling the world that there is nothing to worry about? Had China been up front about this from the get go, the world could be in a better situation right now. I'm sure there are countless examples around the world. China is interfering with our election yet the only concerns I see are about Russia. Did Russia cause a world wide pandemic?

In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic. Many leaders are guilty of this from both sides of the aisle. Governors could have shut down states in January or February but they didn't. I'm in Washington state. We had the first confirmed cases in the United States. Our Democratic Governor took this as serious as the president did. He could've shut down the state but he waited until mid-March when we were in a full blown pandemic. Our numbers are higher than ever. Why isn't he doing more to stop COVID? I could ask these questions all day long.

The reason why I chimed in was because of the Bob Woodward article. These interviews were from January and February. If Trump's COVID response was so bad 8 months ago, why did Bob wait until now to talk about it? If Bob Woodward's intentions were pure, he would've released this information the day he had it. Instead he has to write a book to make money. Don't you think the timing is questionable? A true journalist wouldn't be concerned about writing a book and releasing this information 8 months too late!

HughFreakingDillon

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Team Trump Treason and his administration are responsible for most, if not all, of the misinformation out there as well as states and municipalities not doing what is necessary to understand, track, and deal with the spread.

WHO has been wrong multiple times and they have absolutely nothing to do with Team Trump Treason as you put it. How about China telling the world that there is nothing to worry about? Had China been up front about this from the get go, the world could be in a better situation right now. I'm sure there are countless examples around the world. China is interfering with our election yet the only concerns I see are about Russia. Did Russia cause a world wide pandemic?

In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic. Many leaders are guilty of this from both sides of the aisle. Governors could have shut down states in January or February but they didn't. I'm in Washington state. We had the first confirmed cases in the United States. Our Democratic Governor took this as serious as the president did. He could've shut down the state but he waited until mid-March when we were in a full blown pandemic. Our numbers are higher than ever. Why isn't he doing more to stop COVID? I could ask these questions all day long.

The reason why I chimed in was because of the Bob Woodward article. These interviews were from January and February. If Trump's COVID response was so bad 8 months ago, why did Bob wait until now to talk about it? If Bob Woodward's intentions were pure, he would've released this information the day he had it. Instead he has to write a book to make money. Don't you think the timing is questionable? A true journalist wouldn't be concerned about writing a book and releasing this information 8 months too late!

so instead of discussing the substance, you attack the author's intentions. 

Parksy

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“It’s going to go away like things go away.” And yet, Team Trump Treason knew better. Suckers.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html

While reading this article I saw that on January 28th, "Pottinger warned Trump that asymptomatic spread was occurring in China: He had been told 50% of those infected showed no symptoms."

WHO came out on June 8th and said that asymptomatic spread was rare, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

My point is that it is hard to trust anyone when it comes to Covid-19 because there is so much misinformation going out every single day. If you want to bash Trump for downplaying it, please go ahead but if he is the only one you are going to bash, that isn't fair.

How did that study figure out that there were 265,000 cases linked to Sturgis? Anonymous cellphone collection data... There is no proof whatsoever, only theories. Could it be true? Yes. Could it be false? Yes.

I remember being told of a few ways that we were going to beat this thing. One of them was contact tracing. My local hospital will not admit that even 1 Covid-19 test came back positive. We've had 363 total confirmed Covid-19 infections in my county. Only 1 person in their 80's has died. We get between 5-20 new cases per day. No one will admit where these cases came from and it looks like contact tracing is out the door for us locally. I spoke to a public health officer and he told me that most of these new cases are from Hispanics picking produce. They travel together for hours at a time, come home and then infect their whole family. 5-20 cases a day sounds very scary without knowing the details behind them. I was glad to hear this information as it puts these high numbers into perspective for me locally.

I had to do some work at my local hospital installing some signage. I was in the ER waiting as this was the location I needed to do the work. A 20 something came in and could barely breathe. His mask wasn't covering his face fully. The hospital asked him to come in because they did do a Covid-19 test on him but it came back negative. They asked him to come back in as they suspected it was a false negative. They didn't isolate this guy at all. He stood in the middle of the registration deck for a good 5 minutes. He touched the chair and the desk. They wheeled him away in a wheelchair and didn't clean the desk or the chair that was touching. It was really disturbing to see all of this happen right in front of me when we're told how careful we all need to be and take extra precautions yet my local hospital dropped the ball.

JB ...  he is the President of the USA.  I mean... he's THE guy. Head honcho. El Capitan! "Leader of the Free World"  <- that one is my favourite. 

It is in my opinion not only fair to 'bash him' but responsible.   Like how hard would it have been to be honest with the public?  In the interests of safeguarding lives? 

Parksy

Panic. 

In my former line of work, I worked in emergency management and I sat at a table with members of a real estate company that owned and operated shopping malls.  And we were running table top exercises and discussions about active shooters. 

One topic came up was about how we would inform the public. As in... using PA announcements, mass texting, etc. and the question came up: "What do we say?"   And I said... "You tell people that there is shooter and they need to leave."  Marketing people, managers, etc. said ... "But won't that cause a panic?"  "We don't want to cause a panic."  And I said...  "Yes you do. Because without panic, people won't leave."  And I reference the fire alarm system and I said... "What happens in this building when you hear the fire alarm?"  The answer... "Nothing." No one treats it like an emergency anymore. So therefore, yes.. you need to be honest, and you need people to get out. I then mentioned the liability issues regarding not being straight forward with people. Most understood... some still disagreed.  

A week later, and without informing people what I was doing... I brought in members of the police department, fire department, and emergency management department of this particular locality. And I brought up the exact same question:  "Do you tell people that there has been a shooting?"  "Do you tell people that there is an active shooter?"   Unanimously, my guests said "Of course."  

Trump could have saved lives.  Some folks contend that he's "responsible" for all of the covid deaths... I don't agree. But he could have saved lives.  How many? Who is to know. He has the highest voice from the highest office and he was not honest.  The he scrambled. Then he suggested ingesting bleach.  He should get zero votes. 

JB16057

Lerxst1992 said:

I hope you understand why what the WHO doctor said and your quoting of that is dangerous to your health.

Life is full of risks. Citing an accurate quote is one I am willing to take. Dangerous to my health? Yeah, OK

Do you also defend WHO when they praise China for their COVID response? Or how about when a journalist asks WHO about Taiwan's successful response and he would not respond and ended the interview?

HughFreakingDillon

the buck stops with the CIC. something even shithead himself tweeted about obama. if it's getting so bad in "democrat run" cities, as a leader, you ask them what support he can give them, not tell them he'll stop funding if they let it continue. make a fucking speech. call for the end to violence. don't blame it on one party. call for UNITY. he has never done that once. why? because he thrives on divisiveness. it's the only thing his idiots know: hate. 

remember the simple act of obama telling his crowd, when they started booing a protester at one of his rallies, "don't boo...vote!". that's how a leader responds to criticism and adversity. that tiny reaction spoke volumes about him, and about the stark differences between obama and the sack of shit in the white house right now. 

JB16057

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Team Trump Treason and his administration are responsible for most, if not all, of the misinformation out there as well as states and municipalities not doing what is necessary to understand, track, and deal with the spread.

WHO has been wrong multiple times and they have absolutely nothing to do with Team Trump Treason as you put it. How about China telling the world that there is nothing to worry about? Had China been up front about this from the get go, the world could be in a better situation right now. I'm sure there are countless examples around the world. China is interfering with our election yet the only concerns I see are about Russia. Did Russia cause a world wide pandemic?

In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic. Many leaders are guilty of this from both sides of the aisle. Governors could have shut down states in January or February but they didn't. I'm in Washington state. We had the first confirmed cases in the United States. Our Democratic Governor took this as serious as the president did. He could've shut down the state but he waited until mid-March when we were in a full blown pandemic. Our numbers are higher than ever. Why isn't he doing more to stop COVID? I could ask these questions all day long.

The reason why I chimed in was because of the Bob Woodward article. These interviews were from January and February. If Trump's COVID response was so bad 8 months ago, why did Bob wait until now to talk about it? If Bob Woodward's intentions were pure, he would've released this information the day he had it. Instead he has to write a book to make money. Don't you think the timing is questionable? A true journalist wouldn't be concerned about writing a book and releasing this information 8 months too late!

so instead of discussing the substance, you attack the author's intentions. 

I did address it but you decided to look the other way, "In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic." Trump is an idiot but had Bob Woodward come out months ago, would that have saved lives? Would there have been more push back against Trump to do more? Yes, I do question his intentions just as you question Trump's.

How many other countries that were successful in their initial response are now having an uptick in cases? Are you blaming them the same as you blame Trump? This virus is not something a world leader can just stop.

JB16057

HughFreakingDillon said:

the buck stops with the CIC. something even shithead himself tweeted about obama. if it's getting so bad in "democrat run" cities, as a leader, you ask them what support he can give them, not tell them he'll stop funding if they let it continue. make a fucking speech. call for the end to violence. don't blame it on one party. call for UNITY. he has never done that once. why? because he thrives on divisiveness. it's the only thing his idiots know: hate. 

Trump did offer to send the feds into the cities that are having issues. How is that not offering support?

You make it sound as if Trump is the only one that thrives on divisiveness. I don't know how you can make that statement but Biden says things like, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump then you ain't black" This is the furthest thing from calling for unity. Trump is not the only one.

You can call me an idiot on the internet all day long but I'm still voting for Trump.

josevolution

JB16057 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Team Trump Treason and his administration are responsible for most, if not all, of the misinformation out there as well as states and municipalities not doing what is necessary to understand, track, and deal with the spread.

WHO has been wrong multiple times and they have absolutely nothing to do with Team Trump Treason as you put it. How about China telling the world that there is nothing to worry about? Had China been up front about this from the get go, the world could be in a better situation right now. I'm sure there are countless examples around the world. China is interfering with our election yet the only concerns I see are about Russia. Did Russia cause a world wide pandemic?

In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic. Many leaders are guilty of this from both sides of the aisle. Governors could have shut down states in January or February but they didn't. I'm in Washington state. We had the first confirmed cases in the United States. Our Democratic Governor took this as serious as the president did. He could've shut down the state but he waited until mid-March when we were in a full blown pandemic. Our numbers are higher than ever. Why isn't he doing more to stop COVID? I could ask these questions all day long.

The reason why I chimed in was because of the Bob Woodward article. These interviews were from January and February. If Trump's COVID response was so bad 8 months ago, why did Bob wait until now to talk about it? If Bob Woodward's intentions were pure, he would've released this information the day he had it. Instead he has to write a book to make money. Don't you think the timing is questionable? A true journalist wouldn't be concerned about writing a book and releasing this information 8 months too late!

so instead of discussing the substance, you attack the author's intentions. 

I did address it but you decided to look the other way, "In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic." Trump is an idiot but had Bob Woodward come out months ago, would that have saved lives? Would there have been more push back against Trump to do more? Yes, I do question his intentions just as you question Trump's.

How many other countries that were successful in their initial response are now having an uptick in cases? Are you blaming them the same as you blame Trump? This virus is not something a world leader can just stop.

That’s just it Covidiot is not a leader! 

mace1229

JB16057 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Team Trump Treason and his administration are responsible for most, if not all, of the misinformation out there as well as states and municipalities not doing what is necessary to understand, track, and deal with the spread.

WHO has been wrong multiple times and they have absolutely nothing to do with Team Trump Treason as you put it. How about China telling the world that there is nothing to worry about? Had China been up front about this from the get go, the world could be in a better situation right now. I'm sure there are countless examples around the world. China is interfering with our election yet the only concerns I see are about Russia. Did Russia cause a world wide pandemic?

In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic. Many leaders are guilty of this from both sides of the aisle. Governors could have shut down states in January or February but they didn't. I'm in Washington state. We had the first confirmed cases in the United States. Our Democratic Governor took this as serious as the president did. He could've shut down the state but he waited until mid-March when we were in a full blown pandemic. Our numbers are higher than ever. Why isn't he doing more to stop COVID? I could ask these questions all day long.

The reason why I chimed in was because of the Bob Woodward article. These interviews were from January and February. If Trump's COVID response was so bad 8 months ago, why did Bob wait until now to talk about it? If Bob Woodward's intentions were pure, he would've released this information the day he had it. Instead he has to write a book to make money. Don't you think the timing is questionable? A true journalist wouldn't be concerned about writing a book and releasing this information 8 months too late!

so instead of discussing the substance, you attack the author's intentions. 

I did address it but you decided to look the other way, "In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic." Trump is an idiot but had Bob Woodward come out months ago, would that have saved lives? Would there have been more push back against Trump to do more? Yes, I do question his intentions just as you question Trump's.

How many other countries that were successful in their initial response are now having an uptick in cases? Are you blaming them the same as you blame Trump? This virus is not something a world leader can just stop.

I agree with some of your points. I'm not a fan of how Trump responded to this, but I think a lot of others have been given a free pass. I don't know why more aren't fired up over Cuomo and DeBlasio, I think they did a worse job. Others as well, but they've gotten a free pass it seems like. Trump is seen without a mask at a press conference and its headline news, DeBlasio is seen without a mask out in public during stay at home orders and no one cares. I get he isn't the president, but he should be responsible for the city he's mayor of, you know, the worse city in the country in terms of covid.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

JB16057 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Team Trump Treason and his administration are responsible for most, if not all, of the misinformation out there as well as states and municipalities not doing what is necessary to understand, track, and deal with the spread.

WHO has been wrong multiple times and they have absolutely nothing to do with Team Trump Treason as you put it. How about China telling the world that there is nothing to worry about? Had China been up front about this from the get go, the world could be in a better situation right now. I'm sure there are countless examples around the world. China is interfering with our election yet the only concerns I see are about Russia. Did Russia cause a world wide pandemic?

In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic. Many leaders are guilty of this from both sides of the aisle. Governors could have shut down states in January or February but they didn't. I'm in Washington state. We had the first confirmed cases in the United States. Our Democratic Governor took this as serious as the president did. He could've shut down the state but he waited until mid-March when we were in a full blown pandemic. Our numbers are higher than ever. Why isn't he doing more to stop COVID? I could ask these questions all day long.

The reason why I chimed in was because of the Bob Woodward article. These interviews were from January and February. If Trump's COVID response was so bad 8 months ago, why did Bob wait until now to talk about it? If Bob Woodward's intentions were pure, he would've released this information the day he had it. Instead he has to write a book to make money. Don't you think the timing is questionable? A true journalist wouldn't be concerned about writing a book and releasing this information 8 months too late!

so instead of discussing the substance, you attack the author's intentions. 

I did address it but you decided to look the other way, "In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic." Trump is an idiot but had Bob Woodward come out months ago, would that have saved lives? Would there have been more push back against Trump to do more? Yes, I do question his intentions just as you question Trump's.

How many other countries that were successful in their initial response are now having an uptick in cases? Are you blaming them the same as you blame Trump? This virus is not something a world leader can just stop.

I agree with some of your points. I'm not a fan of how Trump responded to this, but I think a lot of others have been given a free pass. I don't know why more aren't fired up over Cuomo and DeBlasio, I think they did a worse job. Others as well, but they've gotten a free pass it seems like. Trump is seen without a mask at a press conference and its headline news, DeBlasio is seen without a mask out in public during stay at home orders and no one cares. I get he isn't the president, but he should be responsible for the city he's mayor of, you know, the worse city in the country in terms of covid.

and then pelosi has her mask off for (reportedly) a few seconds and gets blasted. 

HughFreakingDillon

JB16057 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the buck stops with the CIC. something even shithead himself tweeted about obama. if it's getting so bad in "democrat run" cities, as a leader, you ask them what support he can give them, not tell them he'll stop funding if they let it continue. make a fucking speech. call for the end to violence. don't blame it on one party. call for UNITY. he has never done that once. why? because he thrives on divisiveness. it's the only thing his idiots know: hate. 

Trump did offer to send the feds into the cities that are having issues. How is that not offering support?

You make it sound as if Trump is the only one that thrives on divisiveness. I don't know how you can make that statement but Biden says things like, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump then you ain't black" This is the furthest thing from calling for unity. Trump is not the only one.

You can call me an idiot on the internet all day long but I'm still voting for Trump.

haha sending in more cops to beat the shit out of and kill protesters is not "support". it's exactly what he wants. a police state that he is in ultimate and total control of. 

biden has his issues and he makes the occasional gaffe. they don't come from an idiotic nor racist place. 

brianlux

JB16057 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the buck stops with the CIC. something even shithead himself tweeted about obama. if it's getting so bad in "democrat run" cities, as a leader, you ask them what support he can give them, not tell them he'll stop funding if they let it continue. make a fucking speech. call for the end to violence. don't blame it on one party. call for UNITY. he has never done that once. why? because he thrives on divisiveness. it's the only thing his idiots know: hate. 

Trump did offer to send the feds into the cities that are having issues. How is that not offering support?

You make it sound as if Trump is the only one that thrives on divisiveness. I don't know how you can make that statement but Biden says things like, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump then you ain't black" This is the furthest thing from calling for unity. Trump is not the only one.

You can call me an idiot on the internet all day long but I'm still voting for Trump.

Biden was man enough to admit that was a mistake.  When has your man been honest enough to do that?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/politics/biden-charlamagne-tha-god-you-aint-black/index.html

Later on Friday afternoon, Biden addressed his comments in a call with the US Black Chamber of Commerce, saying, "I shouldn't have been so cavalier" and insisting he doesn't take black voters for granted.

"The bottom line of all of this perhaps I was much too cavalier. I know that the comments have come off like I was taking the African American vote for granted but nothing could be further from the truth. I've never, ever done that and I've earned it every time I've run," he said.

"I was making the point that I never take the vote for granted and in fact I know in order to win the presidency, I need the African American vote," Biden said. "I shouldn't have been such a wise guy. I shouldn't have been so cavalier."

HughFreakingDillon

JB16057 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Team Trump Treason and his administration are responsible for most, if not all, of the misinformation out there as well as states and municipalities not doing what is necessary to understand, track, and deal with the spread.

WHO has been wrong multiple times and they have absolutely nothing to do with Team Trump Treason as you put it. How about China telling the world that there is nothing to worry about? Had China been up front about this from the get go, the world could be in a better situation right now. I'm sure there are countless examples around the world. China is interfering with our election yet the only concerns I see are about Russia. Did Russia cause a world wide pandemic?

In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic. Many leaders are guilty of this from both sides of the aisle. Governors could have shut down states in January or February but they didn't. I'm in Washington state. We had the first confirmed cases in the United States. Our Democratic Governor took this as serious as the president did. He could've shut down the state but he waited until mid-March when we were in a full blown pandemic. Our numbers are higher than ever. Why isn't he doing more to stop COVID? I could ask these questions all day long.

The reason why I chimed in was because of the Bob Woodward article. These interviews were from January and February. If Trump's COVID response was so bad 8 months ago, why did Bob wait until now to talk about it? If Bob Woodward's intentions were pure, he would've released this information the day he had it. Instead he has to write a book to make money. Don't you think the timing is questionable? A true journalist wouldn't be concerned about writing a book and releasing this information 8 months too late!

so instead of discussing the substance, you attack the author's intentions. 

I did address it but you decided to look the other way, "In regards to Trump downplaying COVID-19, he said he was downplaying this because he didn't want to cause panic." Trump is an idiot but had Bob Woodward come out months ago, would that have saved lives? Would there have been more push back against Trump to do more? Yes, I do question his intentions just as you question Trump's.

How many other countries that were successful in their initial response are now having an uptick in cases? Are you blaming them the same as you blame Trump? This virus is not something a world leader can just stop.

no, it wouldn't have because woodward isn't the president with 30 million twitter followers and fox news won't give 2 seconds to this book for the rest that don't have the internets. 

every country that was successful is having an expected uptick in cases because that's what happens when you reopen the economy. you can't keep the economy closed forever. the difference is, trump didn't do one goddamn thing except downplay it. it's all about mitigating disaster on a medical front. 

had trump actually closed the border to china as he keeps lying about doing, yes, the deaths would be cut in at least half, if not more.