The coronavirus

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...

to underscore your point, there is that 6% CDC thing that went semi-viral and is making some people believe that covid deaths are highly over-reported, due to the finding that 94% of covid deaths had a comorbidity. However, it's not that simple. This article outlines it in a very understandable way. 

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21410352/cdc-6-percent-covid-19-deaths-comorbidities

Unless you’re hit by a bus when you’re 22, almost all deaths involve comorbidities. 

can you give an example?

The average age of death in Canada currently is just over 81 years. As we get older, even if we lead an exemplary lifestyle (and how many of us do?), we almost inevitably accumulate health issues, which are worsened by a multitude of lifestyle choices, our genetics, and bad luck.  If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a young and healthy adult their odds of recovering are very high because they usually haven't accumulated a bunch of other health issues . If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a middle aged or older adult, they may well also be dealing with diabetes, or limited respiratory function from smoking, or reduction in cardiac function due to some clogged arteries, maybe reduced kidney function. All of those things make it more likely that they will tip into respiratory failure, or have an MI, or go into multi-organ failure, and not recover, because there is less reserve to draw on.  They used to call pneumonia "the old man's friend", because it was a relatively painless way that old and already sick individuals would finally die. Determining the exact cause of death in these circumstances is tricky because it's multifactorial. So yes, no surprise at all that 94% of covid deaths would have a comorbidity, since the majority of those who died are over 65. That doesn't diminish the importance of the covid infection, since many/most of those people wouldn't have died then without it.

ok, yes, since you are drawing from the pool that are of a certain age group, but doesn't covid cause death proportionally more in younger adults than any other virus that we've known?

Most, though not all, of whom do have comorbidities.

And when I said “almost all deaths”, I really meant almost all deaths, not just COVID deaths. It was a general comment on the issue of comorbidity and why the fuss that some
people seem to be making about it just shows lack of understanding. 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...

to underscore your point, there is that 6% CDC thing that went semi-viral and is making some people believe that covid deaths are highly over-reported, due to the finding that 94% of covid deaths had a comorbidity. However, it's not that simple. This article outlines it in a very understandable way. 

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21410352/cdc-6-percent-covid-19-deaths-comorbidities

Unless you’re hit by a bus when you’re 22, almost all deaths involve comorbidities. 

can you give an example?

The average age of death in Canada currently is just over 81 years. As we get older, even if we lead an exemplary lifestyle (and how many of us do?), we almost inevitably accumulate health issues, which are worsened by a multitude of lifestyle choices, our genetics, and bad luck.  If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a young and healthy adult their odds of recovering are very high because they usually haven't accumulated a bunch of other health issues . If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a middle aged or older adult, they may well also be dealing with diabetes, or limited respiratory function from smoking, or reduction in cardiac function due to some clogged arteries, maybe reduced kidney function. All of those things make it more likely that they will tip into respiratory failure, or have an MI, or go into multi-organ failure, and not recover, because there is less reserve to draw on.  They used to call pneumonia "the old man's friend", because it was a relatively painless way that old and already sick individuals would finally die. Determining the exact cause of death in these circumstances is tricky because it's multifactorial. So yes, no surprise at all that 94% of covid deaths would have a comorbidity, since the majority of those who died are over 65. That doesn't diminish the importance of the covid infection, since many/most of those people wouldn't have died then without it.

ok, yes, since you are drawing from the pool that are of a certain age group, but doesn't covid cause death proportionally more in younger adults than any other virus that we've known?

Most, though not all, of whom do have comorbidities.

And when I said “almost all deaths”, I really meant almost all deaths, not just COVID deaths. It was a general comment on the issue of comorbidity and why the fuss that some
people seem to be making about it just shows lack of understanding. 

correct me if i'm wrong, but are you saying that we are making more of covid than it actually is?

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

One thing I find interesting, and this is particular to AMT is that there's very little division in this thread.  I believe one person popped in with a conspiracy theory, but for the most part, our differences here are pretty minor.

Out in the real world, there's a critical mass of people who feel the virus is a hoax, or they parrot inflated survival rates (based mostly on the fact that a lot of people who die had some other medical condition so it doesn't count), won't wear masks, etc. But here?  Everyone seems to be pretty much on the same page, moreso than on the other hot topics. I wonder why...

to underscore your point, there is that 6% CDC thing that went semi-viral and is making some people believe that covid deaths are highly over-reported, due to the finding that 94% of covid deaths had a comorbidity. However, it's not that simple. This article outlines it in a very understandable way. 

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/1/21410352/cdc-6-percent-covid-19-deaths-comorbidities

Unless you’re hit by a bus when you’re 22, almost all deaths involve comorbidities. 

can you give an example?

The average age of death in Canada currently is just over 81 years. As we get older, even if we lead an exemplary lifestyle (and how many of us do?), we almost inevitably accumulate health issues, which are worsened by a multitude of lifestyle choices, our genetics, and bad luck.  If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a young and healthy adult their odds of recovering are very high because they usually haven't accumulated a bunch of other health issues . If someone gets ill with pneumonia as a middle aged or older adult, they may well also be dealing with diabetes, or limited respiratory function from smoking, or reduction in cardiac function due to some clogged arteries, maybe reduced kidney function. All of those things make it more likely that they will tip into respiratory failure, or have an MI, or go into multi-organ failure, and not recover, because there is less reserve to draw on.  They used to call pneumonia "the old man's friend", because it was a relatively painless way that old and already sick individuals would finally die. Determining the exact cause of death in these circumstances is tricky because it's multifactorial. So yes, no surprise at all that 94% of covid deaths would have a comorbidity, since the majority of those who died are over 65. That doesn't diminish the importance of the covid infection, since many/most of those people wouldn't have died then without it.

ok, yes, since you are drawing from the pool that are of a certain age group, but doesn't covid cause death proportionally more in younger adults than any other virus that we've known?

Most, though not all, of whom do have comorbidities.

And when I said “almost all deaths”, I really meant almost all deaths, not just COVID deaths. It was a general comment on the issue of comorbidity and why the fuss that some
people seem to be making about it just shows lack of understanding. 

correct me if i'm wrong, but are you saying that we are making more of covid than it actually is?

No 

Spunkie

BC Government data, Sept 3

josevolution

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1301871391881527298?s=21
Who here will jump at getting the vaccine the Covidiot will be pushing? 

DewieCox

When his sheep start dying from it, he’ll declare it an act of war from dems. 

DewieCox

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/09/04/trump-and-stars-and-stripes-attacking-american-icon-column/5706859002/

OnWis97

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

nicknyr15

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

static111

nicknyr15 said:

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

Are you feeling like you and the lady made it through Covid ok @nicknyr15 ?  Or still feeling like you aren’t quite out of the woods?  At any rate I’m hoping the best for you guys.

nicknyr15

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

Are you feeling like you and the lady made it through Covid ok @nicknyr15 ?  Or still feeling like you aren’t quite out of the woods?  At any rate I’m hoping the best for you guys.

Thank you so much for those kind words. I’m feeling a lot better. Feel a little weak and still have no sense of taste or smell. My wife still has a very slight fever ,about 100.1, and slight tightness in chest. But it feels like we’re almost through. 

josevolution

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

Are you feeling like you and the lady made it through Covid ok @nicknyr15 ?  Or still feeling like you aren’t quite out of the woods?  At any rate I’m hoping the best for you guys.

Thank you so much for those kind words. I’m feeling a lot better. Feel a little weak and still have no sense of taste or smell. My wife still has a very slight fever ,about 100.1, and slight tightness in chest. But it feels like we’re almost through. 

Positive vibes((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))) for you & loved ones! 

nicknyr15

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

Are you feeling like you and the lady made it through Covid ok @nicknyr15 ?  Or still feeling like you aren’t quite out of the woods?  At any rate I’m hoping the best for you guys.

Thank you so much for those kind words. I’m feeling a lot better. Feel a little weak and still have no sense of taste or smell. My wife still has a very slight fever ,about 100.1, and slight tightness in chest. But it feels like we’re almost through. 

Positive vibes((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))) for you & loved ones! 

Love all you guys. Even if we all disagree sometimes, I always feel the love when it matters most. Much appreciated. 

hedonist

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

I’ve had four in the last two months for medical procedures. I have to go to my hospital’s drive-thru, but there’ve no issues whatsoever in availability or their 48-hour turnaround time. 

I wonder if the shortages might be more of a regional thing?

And that’s good news, nick!

josevolution

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

Are you feeling like you and the lady made it through Covid ok @nicknyr15 ?  Or still feeling like you aren’t quite out of the woods?  At any rate I’m hoping the best for you guys.

Thank you so much for those kind words. I’m feeling a lot better. Feel a little weak and still have no sense of taste or smell. My wife still has a very slight fever ,about 100.1, and slight tightness in chest. But it feels like we’re almost through. 

Positive vibes((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))) for you & loved ones! 

Love all you guys. Even if we all disagree sometimes, I always feel the love when it matters most. Much appreciated. 

Likewise I’ve learned an awful lot from posters that don’t agree with me on issues but that’s ok we should always show compassion and support each other! 

mcgruff10

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

Are you feeling like you and the lady made it through Covid ok @nicknyr15 ?  Or still feeling like you aren’t quite out of the woods?  At any rate I’m hoping the best for you guys.

Thank you so much for those kind words. I’m feeling a lot better. Feel a little weak and still have no sense of taste or smell. My wife still has a very slight fever ,about 100.1, and slight tightness in chest. But it feels like we’re almost through. 

Awesome to hear bud!  

cincybearcat

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

Are you feeling like you and the lady made it through Covid ok @nicknyr15 ?  Or still feeling like you aren’t quite out of the woods?  At any rate I’m hoping the best for you guys.

Thank you so much for those kind words. I’m feeling a lot better. Feel a little weak and still have no sense of taste or smell. My wife still has a very slight fever ,about 100.1, and slight tightness in chest. But it feels like we’re almost through. 

Positive vibes((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))) for you & loved ones! 

Love all you guys. Even if we all disagree sometimes, I always feel the love when it matters most. Much appreciated. 

Difference of opinion are 1 thing. Life and death is another. Stay strong. 

nicknyr15

cincybearcat said:

nicknyr15 said:

josevolution said:

nicknyr15 said:

static111 said:

nicknyr15 said:

OnWis97 said:

I was tested in May.  At that time, I went on my health insurance company's website, answered a few questions about symptoms, etc., scheduled an appointment for a drive-up test that afternoon, got tested, and had the (negative) results the next day.

I'm thinking about getting tested again...I have the same symptoms I've had since May, so I'm likely OK (making me a less-than-top-priority, I suppose) and I have to make a video appointment with my Doc, who will decide whether I should get tested. "Due to a national shortage of testing supplies."

I'm not on top of things enough to know much about it...I believe the quote is true...but I wonder about why.  Is this because people are getting tested and we're using supplies at a faster rate than they can be produced? Or is there something more nefarious at hand to create the shortage?

It's going to weed some people out (and I don't just mean any unnecessary test, but people that don't want to jump through the hoops)...which may or may not be the goal.

Didn’t experience this in NYC. My wife and I got tested with no appointment or doctors approval. My employees got tested with no symptoms, just based on that they might have been exposed. This was in the past 2 weeks. 

Are you feeling like you and the lady made it through Covid ok @nicknyr15 ?  Or still feeling like you aren’t quite out of the woods?  At any rate I’m hoping the best for you guys.

Thank you so much for those kind words. I’m feeling a lot better. Feel a little weak and still have no sense of taste or smell. My wife still has a very slight fever ,about 100.1, and slight tightness in chest. But it feels like we’re almost through. 

Positive vibes((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))) for you & loved ones! 

Love all you guys. Even if we all disagree sometimes, I always feel the love when it matters most. Much appreciated. 

Difference of opinion are 1 thing. Life and death is another. Stay strong. 

👍🏼👍🏼Ty 

josevolution

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/health/oleandrin-coronavirus-fda-mypillow/index.html
I’m glad I work in a hospital during this time I get better information from professionals I can trust! 

josevolution

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coronavirus-argentina-professor-dies-online-class_n_5f521b09c5b6578026cc9402
Damn poor teacher,.