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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    DarthMaeglin said:
    I don’t mind some egg on my face for taking the noose story at face value. This isn’t the best comparison but I try to treat these stories as we’ve learned to treat victims of assault (especially sexual): trust but verify. In this case verification happened and showed no malice (allocation of resources could be a separate point of discussion).

    There was an editorial in a local paper that likened the nascar incident to the boy who cried wolf, unfortunately.
    Of course that is going to happen. Bomani Jones says it much better than I ever could about the whole subject matter. 

    https://youtu.be/0ZpAfh5EUww
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,033
    PJNB said:
    DarthMaeglin said:
    I don’t mind some egg on my face for taking the noose story at face value. This isn’t the best comparison but I try to treat these stories as we’ve learned to treat victims of assault (especially sexual): trust but verify. In this case verification happened and showed no malice (allocation of resources could be a separate point of discussion).

    There was an editorial in a local paper that likened the nascar incident to the boy who cried wolf, unfortunately.
    Of course that is going to happen. Bomani Jones says it much better than I ever could about the whole subject matter. 

    https://youtu.be/0ZpAfh5EUww
    That was an interesting listen, thanks. The host did raise a valid point about nascar’s initial statement being so strongly worded, and any other time I’d agree more, but in the current environment their choices were extremely limited.

     I may get in trouble for saying Canada’s closer to the tribalism the host talks about rising above (certainly I’ve always thought there are good and bad people of every colour, as B-Real raps “Unless ya come flexin’ a trigger I dig ya”). That said, I still believe the U.S. as an ideal is something worth striving for regardless of how much work remains.

    Thanks again to this thread for helping me learn.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    Will Cain is a person to me, that always tiptoes around what is acceptable, plays the heel.  

    I personally can't stand him.

    I normally don't care for Bohmani as a sports reporter but on this he was fantastic.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    Another noose found hanging from Toronto construction site, police investigating as a hate crime


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    Meltdown99 said:

    Another noose found hanging from Toronto construction site, police investigating as a hate crime



    It will become "a thing".  Like monkeys fornicating.  They see one do it, they all think they have to do it.  Only monkeys are smarter than idiots planting hangman's nooses. 

    I know a bit about this shit.  Look at the dip-shit thing we have where I live:

    Dummy hanging from noose is back up in Placerville, amid petition to end ‘Old Hangtown’ name


    true

    Talk about some bullshit! 

    But a lot of us are speaking out against it!



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    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:

    Another noose found hanging from Toronto construction site, police investigating as a hate crime



    It will become "a thing".  Like monkeys fornicating.  They see one do it, they all think they have to do it.  Only monkeys are smarter than idiots planting hangman's nooses. 

    I know a bit about this shit.  Look at the dip-shit thing we have where I live:

    Dummy hanging from noose is back up in Placerville, amid petition to end ‘Old Hangtown’ name


    true

    Talk about some bullshit! 

    But a lot of us are speaking out against it!



    While morbid (in my opinion), does this one have anything to do with racism?  Lots of people were hung back in the day, “death penalty” wise.  Even the dummy in this one is white.  Again, fucked up, but not racist unless I’m missing something more to the story of this place.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    White supremacists are soooooo intellectually superior.....


  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Bentleyspop said:
    White supremacists are soooooo intellectually superior.....


    Lol, dumbasses
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bentleyspop said:
    White supremacists are soooooo intellectually superior.....


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  • mace1229
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    Bentleyspop said:
    White supremacists are soooooo intellectually superior.....


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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    This is how it's done....


  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    Watch this and pass it on....

    https://youtu.be/xwBjF_VVFvE
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,864
    OK so the repubs are throwing around that BLM leaders want everything burned to the ground/usurp the current structure.

    I googled and could only find the NYC leader that said they would "burn it to the ground literally or figuratively".

    Anyone else find an article/video with these claims?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:

    Another noose found hanging from Toronto construction site, police investigating as a hate crime



    It will become "a thing".  Like monkeys fornicating.  They see one do it, they all think they have to do it.  Only monkeys are smarter than idiots planting hangman's nooses. 

    I know a bit about this shit.  Look at the dip-shit thing we have where I live:

    Dummy hanging from noose is back up in Placerville, amid petition to end ‘Old Hangtown’ name


    true

    Talk about some bullshit! 

    But a lot of us are speaking out against it!



    While morbid (in my opinion), does this one have anything to do with racism?  Lots of people were hung back in the day, “death penalty” wise.  Even the dummy in this one is white.  Again, fucked up, but not racist unless I’m missing something more to the story of this place.

    It's not directly racist but if I were a black person visiting this town, I would probably never return.  So in a sense, there are racial implications.  Plus, I have little doubt that some or several of the people who support the continuation of this display and the misleading nickname for our town, "Hangtown" are racist or at least have little concern or consideration for racial matters. 

    People often assume all of California is progressive.  That is far from true.  We have some very conservative to ultra conservative counties in this state (I believe it is 22 counties that are predominately Republican).

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    -Roberto Benigni

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,193
    edited June 2020
    Mississippi just voted to take out the confederate flag in their state flag.  Maybe things are changing.  (Fingers crossed)
    https://apple.news/A2v7VbrFdT7KNpMz5dasPyA
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:

    Another noose found hanging from Toronto construction site, police investigating as a hate crime



    It will become "a thing".  Like monkeys fornicating.  They see one do it, they all think they have to do it.  Only monkeys are smarter than idiots planting hangman's nooses. 

    I know a bit about this shit.  Look at the dip-shit thing we have where I live:

    Dummy hanging from noose is back up in Placerville, amid petition to end ‘Old Hangtown’ name


    true

    Talk about some bullshit! 

    But a lot of us are speaking out against it!



    While morbid (in my opinion), does this one have anything to do with racism?  Lots of people were hung back in the day, “death penalty” wise.  Even the dummy in this one is white.  Again, fucked up, but not racist unless I’m missing something more to the story of this place.

    It's not directly racist but if I were a black person visiting this town, I would probably never return.  So in a sense, there are racial implications.  Plus, I have little doubt that some or several of the people who support the continuation of this display and the misleading nickname for our town, "Hangtown" are racist or at least have little concern or consideration for racial matters. 

    People often assume all of California is progressive.  That is far from true.  We have some very conservative to ultra conservative counties in this state (I believe it is 22 counties that are predominately Republican).

    If this story was a few months ago I wouldn’t have linked it to race at all.  This doesn’t seem that uncommon in old-timey western/gold mine towns. Which is exactly the case here. We used to visit old cities like that all the time as a kid and you’d see fake outhouses, jails, and hanging. I’m pretty sure Knotts Berry Farm has something like that before they did away with their western themed section.

    All that said, maybe not the best time to be promoting your fake hangman, but I doubt racism has anything to do with it or the people who appreciate that sort of thing. It’s about the Wild West, not about race in this case.
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited June 2020
    Why no outrage about this kind of stuff?
    https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/prosecutors-suspect-in-double-slaying-of-teens-asked-about-tall-height-prior-to-shooting/
    Two teams shot and killed the third one escaped injury but,,because they asked a guy 19 year old how tall he was and they would like to be that tall too so they can play basketball.  Went to the corner store to buy some candy and wound up deader than a hammer!  By a 6'3" deranged 19 year old.  Let's focus on the real problems people.
    Worried about flags statues?
    Uncle Ben's rice, Aunt Jemima,?
    For f*** sake!

    Post edited by RYME on
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,447
    RYME said:
    Why no outrage about this kind of stuff?
    https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/prosecutors-suspect-in-double-slaying-of-teens-asked-about-tall-height-prior-to-shooting/
    Two teams shot and killed the third one escaped injury but,,because they asked a guy 19 year old how tall he was and they would like to be that tall too so they can play basketball.  Went to the corner store to buy some candy and wound up deader than a hammer!  By a 6'3" deranged 19 year old.  Let's focus on the real problems people.
    Worried about flags statues?
    Uncle Ben's rice, Aunt Jemima,?
    For f*** sake!

    Individuals are accountable to the law. The law enforcement agents are responsible for enforcing the law equitably, and extending reasonable doubt and harm mitigation efforts to all. That's not happening. The justice system is supposed to give fair representation for all. That's not happening.

    I'm outraged that law enforcement agents, and agents of delivering justice, have so pathetically failed, and that they provide no exemplary role model for those they attempt to keep 'within law and order'. 

    If I focus my outrage on one individual, my scope of impact is highly limited. One legitimate heavy-handed incarceration won't make an oppressed population forget about the throngs of unjust incarcerations prior to it. If I focus my outrage on the system that promotes two sets of standards for two different sets of individuals, my outrage might (and only might) make a difference. 

    Maybe don't tell people what 'real problems' are or what they should care about most. We've all decided for ourselves, just as you have. In any case, I've defended why I feel the 'real problems' being discussed here are actually a root cause and catalyst for these kinds of horrific events as the one you've just brought up. You're welcome to refute them - but to trivialize systemic oppression ignores centuries of revolutions catalyzed by exactly these kinds of injustices. 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    RYME said:
    Why no outrage about this kind of stuff?
    https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/prosecutors-suspect-in-double-slaying-of-teens-asked-about-tall-height-prior-to-shooting/
    Two teams shot and killed the third one escaped injury but,,because they asked a guy 19 year old how tall he was and they would like to be that tall too so they can play basketball.  Went to the corner store to buy some candy and wound up deader than a hammer!  By a 6'3" deranged 19 year old.  Let's focus on the real problems people.
    Worried about flags statues?
    Uncle Ben's rice, Aunt Jemima,?
    For f*** sake!

    There's been plenty of outrage
    Maybe not on daily caller or daily stormer or breitbart but there has been outrage.

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