Black Lives Matter

tempo_n_groove

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

The Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans.  The parties flipped ideology years ago.

Ledbetterman10

This is a nice microcosm of this entire movement....

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1278226800317919234?s=20

oftenreading

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Predictably, but unfortunately, it seems a chunk of people have already moved on from a stance of seeing the protests as being a necessary and valid part of the process of change, to being irritated by disruption, impatient with discomfort and feeling a need to direct others as to the correct way to protest. 

I think the protesters are a lot like the police. The majority are good. But the bad ones cause chaos and give the good ones a bad name. So similar to how there's a "correct" way to police, there's a "correct" way to protest. Marching with your Black Lives Matter sign? Correct. Destroying property or attacking people? Incorrect. 

Completely incorrect. The police are hired and paid to do a job and the public has the right to expect that every single one of them meets the standards of their profession and upholds the law. There is absolutely no such obligation on the general public, and what's more, the idea that there's a single "correct" way to protest is false and designed to limit the protests to actions that are bound to be ineffective. 

So you ARE okay with the protests where half the crowd are carrying AR-15s?  They seem to get quite a bit of attention too...It sounds like you are saying that you are okay with whatever gets public or media attention, however dangerous or disruptive, as long as it aligns with what YOU consider justified causes?  Maybe I’m reading you wrong, and if so, where do you draw the line as to what is acceptable and what is not?

Is this post meant to be.... a joke? Sarcasm? I'm not sure.

In what situation does one read the a comment that there is not one single correct way to protest and respond with "So you ARE okay with the protests where half the crowd are carrying AR-15s?"? How did you make that leap, exactly?

Particularly interesting when read in light of our exchanges over the last several years in the gun violence threads, where I have been consistent in being anti-gun in essentially all circumstances, while you have been in favour of people being allowed to own and carry these very guns that you seem to be horrified about right now. Perhaps you're in favour of gun rights, except for protesters? 

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

This is a nice microcosm of this entire movement....

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1278226800317919234?s=20

I guess that person forgets that you need college credits to join the NYPD?
It's ok, the person was educated that told the cops that they weren't...

Ledbetterman10

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

This is a nice microcosm of this entire movement....

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1278226800317919234?s=20

I guess that person forgets that you need college credits to join the NYPD?
It's ok, the person was educated that told the cops that they weren't...

And really, what does it mean to be "educated" these days? Some liberal arts degree? 

Hell, that guy could have a doctorate and it wouldn't matter. When you're prancing around in a green skirt and no shirt, no one's going to take you seriously. 

PJNB

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

I am not dead wrong. Are you telling me that the KKK and Proud Boys and other groups are not large or are you just playing with words?

Halifax2TheMax

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

Took all of 5 seconds on the interweb.

Among Republicans and Republican leaners, most (59%) say the country has already made the needed changes to give blacks equal rights with whites;

Does that make them racist? You tell me.


https://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/4-race-immigration-and-discrimination/

Bentleyspop

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

Yeah yeah the old focksnooze controlled gop trope about the democratic party being responsible for the kkk. This is old news. The party ideologies switched decades ago. You can yell and scream about something that happened 100-150 years ago but it doesn't help your argument. 

I know I am repeating myself but based on Buddhist ideology when you support a racist, or racist policies, in any way shape or form including voting that makes you a racist as well. 

Ledbetterman10

Edit: Wrong thread

RYME

tempo_n_groove said:

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

The Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans.  The parties flipped ideology years ago.

No way! That is another moronic lie.  Sorry but what you think you know is false.

static111

RYME said:

tempo_n_groove said:

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

The Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans.  The parties flipped ideology years ago.

No way! That is another moronic lie.  Sorry but what you think you know is false.

Can you provide some academic proof Or cite some other research that tempo n grooves statement was in fact false? @RYME

tempo_n_groove

RYME said:

tempo_n_groove said:

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

The Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans.  The parties flipped ideology years ago.

No way! That is another moronic lie.  Sorry but what you think you know is false.

Anybody else want to chime in.

This isn't a hard topic to dispute.

The KKK thing might be off though.

tbergs

Not worth it. We tried before. You can't reason with someone who argues against facts.

Ledbetterman10

static111 said:

RYME said:

tempo_n_groove said:

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

The Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans.  The parties flipped ideology years ago.

No way! That is another moronic lie.  Sorry but what you think you know is false.

Can you provide some academic proof Or cite some other research that tempo n grooves statement was in fact false? @RYME

Well if you want academic proof, Tempo said "the Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans." This is false. The Dems that created the KKK years ago are dead. 

I get what he's trying to imply though; bigotry against minorities used to be associated with the Democrats, and now it's associated with the Republicans. 

static111

tempo_n_groove said:

RYME said:

tempo_n_groove said:

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

The Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans.  The parties flipped ideology years ago.

No way! That is another moronic lie.  Sorry but what you think you know is false.

Anybody else want to chime in.

This isn't a hard topic to dispute.

The KKK thing might be off though.

I’m waiting for @RYME to prove you false.  Not holding my breath. Where is our resident history teacher when you need him

static111

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

RYME said:

tempo_n_groove said:

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

The Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans.  The parties flipped ideology years ago.

No way! That is another moronic lie.  Sorry but what you think you know is false.

Can you provide some academic proof Or cite some other research that tempo n grooves statement was in fact false? @RYME

Well if you want academic proof, Tempo said "the Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans." This is false. The Dems that created the KKK years ago are dead. 

I get what he's trying to imply though; bigotry against minorities used to be associated with the Democrats, and now it's associated with the Republicans. 

Right the Republicans of today are ideological descendants of the Deep South Democrats that created the KKK years ago would be a factual way of stating that point. The parties did indeed flip ideologies as the Southern Democrats became Republicans as civil rights were advancing.  That is the main statement that I am waiting to be proven false.

mcgruff10

Posting this for a second time and tagging @RYME again.
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

How the ‘Party of Lincoln’ Won Over the Once Democratic South

Democratic defectors, known as the “Dixiecrats,” started a switch to the Republican party in a movement that was later fueled by a so-called "Southern strategy.

The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.”

It may seem a crude remark to make after such a momentous occasion, but it was also an accurate prediction.

To understand some of the reasons the South went from a largely Democratic region to a primarily Republican area today, just follow the decades of debate over racial issues in the United States.

The Republican party was originally founded in the mid-1800s to oppose immigration and the spread of slavery, says David Goldfield, whose new book on American politics, The Gifted Generation: When Government Was Good, comes out in November.

“The Republican party was strictly a sectional party, meaning that it just did not exist in the South,” he says. “The South couldn’t care less about immigration.” But it did care about preserving slavery.

After the Civil War, the Democratic party’s opposition to Republican Reconstruction legislation solidified its hold on the South.

“The Democratic party came to be more than a political party in the South—it came to be a defender of a way of life,” Goldfield says. “And that way of life was the restoration as much as possible of white supremacy … The Confederate statues you see all around were primarily erected by Democrats.”

Up until the post-World War II period, the party’s hold on the region was so entrenched that Southern politicians usually couldn’t get elected unless they were Democrats. But when President Harry S. Truman, a Democratic Southerner, introduced a pro-civil rights platform at the party’s 1948 convention, a faction walked out.

These defectors, known as the “Dixiecrats,” held a separate convention in Birmingham, Alabama. There, they nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond, a staunch opposer of civil rights, to run for president on their “States’ Rights” ticket. Although Thurmond lost the election to Truman, he still won over a million popular votes.

It “was the first time since before the Civil War that the South was not solidly Democratic,” Goldfield says. “And that began the erosion of the southern influence in the Democratic party.”

After that, the majority of the South still continued to vote Democratic because it thought of the Republican party as the party of Abraham Lincoln and Reconstruction. The big break didn’t come until President Johnson, another Southern Democrat, signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965.

Govenor Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, was nominated as States’ Right candidate at the rump convention held in Birmingham on by southern recalcitrants. The Southerners took this drastic action after the Democratic convention added President Truman’s civil rights program of its party platform. 

Though some Democrats had switched to the Republican party prior to this, “the defections became a flood” after Johnson signed these acts, Goldfield says. “And so the political parties began to reconstitute themselves.”

The change wasn’t total or immediate. During the late 1960s and early ‘70s, white Southerners were still transitioning away from the Democratic party (newly enfranchised black Southerners voted and continue to vote Democratic). And even as Republican Richard Nixon employed a “Southern strategy” that appealed to the racism of Southern white voters, former Alabama Governor George Wallace (who’d wanted “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever”) ran as a Democrat in the 1972 presidential primaries.

By the time Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, the Republican party’s hold on white Southerners was firm. Today, the Republican party remains the party of the South. It’s an ironic outcome considering that a century ago, white Southerners would’ve never considered voting for the party of Lincoln.

static111

mcgruff10 said:

Posting this for a second time and tagging @RYME again.
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

How the ‘Party of Lincoln’ Won Over the Once Democratic South

Democratic defectors, known as the “Dixiecrats,” started a switch to the Republican party in a movement that was later fueled by a so-called "Southern strategy.

The night that Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, his special assistant Bill Moyers was surprised to find the president looking melancholy in his bedroom. Moyers later wrote that when he asked what was wrong, Johnson replied, “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come.”

It may seem a crude remark to make after such a momentous occasion, but it was also an accurate prediction.

To understand some of the reasons the South went from a largely Democratic region to a primarily Republican area today, just follow the decades of debate over racial issues in the United States.

The Republican party was originally founded in the mid-1800s to oppose immigration and the spread of slavery, says David Goldfield, whose new book on American politics, The Gifted Generation: When Government Was Good, comes out in November.

“The Republican party was strictly a sectional party, meaning that it just did not exist in the South,” he says. “The South couldn’t care less about immigration.” But it did care about preserving slavery.

After the Civil War, the Democratic party’s opposition to Republican Reconstruction legislation solidified its hold on the South.

“The Democratic party came to be more than a political party in the South—it came to be a defender of a way of life,” Goldfield says. “And that way of life was the restoration as much as possible of white supremacy … The Confederate statues you see all around were primarily erected by Democrats.”

Up until the post-World War II period, the party’s hold on the region was so entrenched that Southern politicians usually couldn’t get elected unless they were Democrats. But when President Harry S. Truman, a Democratic Southerner, introduced a pro-civil rights platform at the party’s 1948 convention, a faction walked out.

These defectors, known as the “Dixiecrats,” held a separate convention in Birmingham, Alabama. There, they nominated South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond, a staunch opposer of civil rights, to run for president on their “States’ Rights” ticket. Although Thurmond lost the election to Truman, he still won over a million popular votes.

It “was the first time since before the Civil War that the South was not solidly Democratic,” Goldfield says. “And that began the erosion of the southern influence in the Democratic party.”

After that, the majority of the South still continued to vote Democratic because it thought of the Republican party as the party of Abraham Lincoln and Reconstruction. The big break didn’t come until President Johnson, another Southern Democrat, signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965.

Govenor Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, was nominated as States’ Right candidate at the rump convention held in Birmingham on by southern recalcitrants. The Southerners took this drastic action after the Democratic convention added President Truman’s civil rights program of its party platform. 

Though some Democrats had switched to the Republican party prior to this, “the defections became a flood” after Johnson signed these acts, Goldfield says. “And so the political parties began to reconstitute themselves.”

The change wasn’t total or immediate. During the late 1960s and early ‘70s, white Southerners were still transitioning away from the Democratic party (newly enfranchised black Southerners voted and continue to vote Democratic). And even as Republican Richard Nixon employed a “Southern strategy” that appealed to the racism of Southern white voters, former Alabama Governor George Wallace (who’d wanted “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever”) ran as a Democrat in the 1972 presidential primaries.

By the time Ronald Reagan became president in 1980, the Republican party’s hold on white Southerners was firm. Today, the Republican party remains the party of the South. It’s an ironic outcome considering that a century ago, white Southerners would’ve never considered voting for the party of Lincoln.

I knew you’d come through

Ledbetterman10

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

RYME said:

tempo_n_groove said:

RYME said:

PJNB said:

RYME said:

https://uncletom.com/
Everybody should see this movie.
I watched it two days ago it is extremely well done.  Watch the trailer at least and read summary

Can you tell me where I can skip forward to where they talk about republicans suppressing black voters for decades and tolerating racism from large groups that vote conservative? I will watch the whole vid later but am really interested to see what kind of reasoning they make for being ok enough with these issues and they still vote conservative. 

You are dead wrong that large blocks of conservative voters are racist.  That is one of the biggest lies out there.  You should study the Democratic party a little more than you have historically and currently.

The Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans.  The parties flipped ideology years ago.

No way! That is another moronic lie.  Sorry but what you think you know is false.

Can you provide some academic proof Or cite some other research that tempo n grooves statement was in fact false? @RYME

Well if you want academic proof, Tempo said "the Dems that created the KKK years ago are today's Republicans." This is false. The Dems that created the KKK years ago are dead. 

I get what he's trying to imply though; bigotry against minorities used to be associated with the Democrats, and now it's associated with the Republicans. 

Right the Republicans of today are ideological descendants of the Deep South Democrats that created the KKK years ago would be a factual way of stating that point. The parties did indeed flip ideologies as the Southern Democrats became Republicans as civil rights were advancing.  That is the main statement that I am waiting to be proven false.

I think he knows that can't be proven false. 

Bentleyspop

tbergs said:

Not worth it. We tried before. You can't reason with someone who argues against facts.

republicans are well known to be afraid of facts. Especially believable, provable, and verifiable facts.
Because facts like numbers, reality, and the weather are known to have a liberal bias.