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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,812
    edited June 2020
    Who gives a shit what someone who profited from acting a part thinks, really?

    We are hearing from people impacted by this portrayal.  

    Listen....
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Who gives a shit what someone who profited from acting a part thinks, really?

    We are hearing from people impacted by this portrayal.  

    Listen....

    Yep- bigger picture is the way to look at it.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,812
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Who gives a shit what someone who profited from acting a part thinks, really?

    We are hearing from people impacted by this portrayal.  

    Listen....

    Yep- bigger picture is the way to look at it.
    They paid her.  In the 40s/50s?
    Just not sure how that is meant to change the picture, now.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Who gives a shit what someone who profited from acting a part thinks, really?

    We are hearing from people impacted by this portrayal.  

    Listen....

    Yep- bigger picture is the way to look at it.
    They paid her.  In the 40s/50s?
    Just not sure how that is meant to change the picture, now.

    No, I mean seeing the bigger picture as in this one family's perspective vs. the broader perspective of racial profiling and generalizing.  
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    edited June 2020
    RYME said:
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M


    I agree that history should not be erased, RYME.  We gain nothing by doing that.  But do all important figures in history deserve the honor of being made into a statue?  Hitler was an effective, persuasive, and powerful leader in Germany but you will not find statues of Hitler in that country.  The statues that have been recently torn down would be better placed in a museum, and along with them, a plaque that describes clearly and historically what that person did.  In the case of confederate generals and the like, what they did was to lead as a part of a treasonous act in an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government and continue the practice of slavery.  So, yes, those figures should be known and recognized for what they did, not glorified as heroes.

    I recently learned that most of these statues that are being torn down were not erected during and just following the Civil War, but were actually built during the period of the Jim Crow laws in late 1800's and early 1900's as well as during the Civil Rights Movement.  That alone will tell you what was the motivation for their being built.

    And I would say, as one white guy to another, we don't understand what it is to be black and to have these figures glorified generation after generation.  I can't imagine the anger that would evoke.  Instead of glorifying these figures, maybe we should erect statues of true heroes like William Harvey Carney, the black American soldier from during the Civil War who was award the Medal of Honor, or Isaac Hopper, a white Quaker who helped establish the Underground Railroad to free black slaves. 

    So no, let's not erase history.  Let's learn and teach it as it really is.
    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M


    I agree that history should not be erased, RYME.  We gain nothing by doing that.  But do all important figures in history deserve the honor of being made into a statue?  Hitler was an effective, persuasive, and powerful leader in Germany but you will not find statues of Hitler in that country.  The statues that have been recently torn down would be better placed in a museum, and along with them, a plaque that describes clearly and historically what that person did.  In the case of confederate generals and the like, what they did was to lead as a part of a treasonous act in an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government and continue the practice of slavery.  So, yes, those figures should be known and recognized for what they did, not glorified as heroes.

    I recently learned that most of these statues that are being torn down were not erected during and just following the Civil War, but were actually built during the period of the Jim Crow laws in late 1900's and early 2000's as well as during the Civil Rights Movement.  That alone will tell you what was the motivation for their being built.

    And I would say, as one white guy to another, we don't understand what it is to be black and to have these figures glorified generation after generation.  I can't imagine the anger that would evoke.  Instead of glorifying these figures, maybe we should erect statues of true heroes like William Harvey Carney, the black American soldier from during the Civil War who was award the Medal of Honor, or Isaac Hopper, a white Quaker who helped establish the Underground Railroad to free black slaves. 

    So no, let's not erase history.  Let's learn and teach it as it really is.
    Did you mean to say 19th and 20th century, right?
    That still makes them 100+ years old. I could agree with the southern generals, but tearing down statues of Jefferson and Washington I don’t.



  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M


    I agree that history should not be erased, RYME.  We gain nothing by doing that.  But do all important figures in history deserve the honor of being made into a statue?  Hitler was an effective, persuasive, and powerful leader in Germany but you will not find statues of Hitler in that country.  The statues that have been recently torn down would be better placed in a museum, and along with them, a plaque that describes clearly and historically what that person did.  In the case of confederate generals and the like, what they did was to lead as a part of a treasonous act in an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government and continue the practice of slavery.  So, yes, those figures should be known and recognized for what they did, not glorified as heroes.

    I recently learned that most of these statues that are being torn down were not erected during and just following the Civil War, but were actually built during the period of the Jim Crow laws in late 1900's and early 2000's as well as during the Civil Rights Movement.  That alone will tell you what was the motivation for their being built.

    And I would say, as one white guy to another, we don't understand what it is to be black and to have these figures glorified generation after generation.  I can't imagine the anger that would evoke.  Instead of glorifying these figures, maybe we should erect statues of true heroes like William Harvey Carney, the black American soldier from during the Civil War who was award the Medal of Honor, or Isaac Hopper, a white Quaker who helped establish the Underground Railroad to free black slaves. 

    So no, let's not erase history.  Let's learn and teach it as it really is.
    Did you mean to say 19th and 20th century, right?
    That still makes them 100+ years old. I could agree with the southern generals, but tearing down statues of Jefferson and Washington I don’t.




    Yes, I did, thank you!  I changed it to "late 1800's and early 1900's". 

    Have I ever mentioned I suck at math?  :lol: 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    I don’t give two shits about any monuments being torn down at all , we have books to read about the history of this country! 
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    So who in the world has been or was walking around with pain and agony and was offended everytime they walked down the pancake ile at the grocery store?   Aunt Jemima syrup?  I'm sure Mrs Butterworth is next to come down if she hasnt been taken down already.  Be honest.  No-one is offended by the Aunt Jemima pancakes/ syrup or, Lady Antebellum, or a ride at Disney World.
    Its pointless virtue signaling that doesn't do a damn thing.
    Why not focus on the roots of what would really make a possitive lasting impact on black lives.  There is never just one magic solution but this is a major one.
    Like Black Fathers Matter.
    All Black Lives Matter.  Not just some.
    Happy Fathers Day.
    https://www.prageru.com/video/black-fathers-matter/



  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    RYME said:
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M

    FYI: the parties switched right around the passage of the civil rights act of 1964.  So the democrats you mention from the late 1800s are today’s Republicans  and the party of Lincoln are today s Democrats.   
    And robert e lee didn’t even want statues; I m not following how we erase history by taking down statues.  
     I m not sure if taking down these statues will have the desired effect everyone is looking for but I am also not a person of color so I am not sure how it affects them.  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,197
    mcgruff10 said:
    RYME said:
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M

    FYI: the parties switched right around the passage of the civil rights act of 1964.  So the democrats you mention from the late 1800s are today’s Republicans  and the party of Lincoln are today s Democrats.   
    And robert e lee didn’t even want statues; I m not following how we erase history by taking down statues.  
     I m not sure if taking down these statues will have the desired effect everyone is looking for but I am also not a person of color so I am not sure how it affects them.  
    Guess we should have left the statue of Saddam Hussein up in Firdos Square then, for history’s sake (I get what you’re saying)?
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,407
    Well this is fucked up as all hell.

    It's a hopeless situation...
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,994
    tbergs said:
    Well this is fucked up as all hell.

    I just posted this in the nascar thread, good response from Wallace I thought. Disgusting.


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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited June 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    RYME said:
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M

    FYI: the parties switched right around the passage of the civil rights act of 1964.  So the democrats you mention from the late 1800s are today’s Republicans  and the party of Lincoln are today s Democrats.   
    And robert e lee didn’t even want statues; I m not following how we erase history by taking down statues.  
     I m not sure if taking down these statues will have the desired effect everyone is looking for but I am also not a person of color so I am not sure how it affects them.  
    ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER, not just some.
    FYI: "the parties switched right around the passage of the civil rights act of 1964.  So the democrats you mention from the late 1800s are today’s Republicans  and the party of Lincoln are today s Democrats."  Ok well then,  the Earth is flat, water flows uphill and the moon is made out of cheese.  
    That is revisionist history and total LIES. Huge gargantuan lies and false crap!  That is why most of todays colleges are cesspools of disinformation.
    Lincoln, Reagan, and Trump are the same party.  
    Sorry but youve been lied to.  That is why it's almost impossible to have conversations these days.  Southern Democrats were the Confederacy, and today's Democrats are still the oppressors.
    Sorry, but You can't just flip a switch in 1964 for convenience purposes, sorry the Democratic partie owns its long bloody history.  That is very inconvenient for lefties to overcome.  That's why they want to erase it. 
    And by the way, nothing has changed much, look what goes on in all the major cities run by democrats for the last 50-100+ years how's it going there?  
    Post edited by RYME on
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,407
    RYME said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    RYME said:
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M

    FYI: the parties switched right around the passage of the civil rights act of 1964.  So the democrats you mention from the late 1800s are today’s Republicans  and the party of Lincoln are today s Democrats.   
    And robert e lee didn’t even want statues; I m not following how we erase history by taking down statues.  
     I m not sure if taking down these statues will have the desired effect everyone is looking for but I am also not a person of color so I am not sure how it affects them.  
    ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER, not just some.
    FYI: "the parties switched right around the passage of the civil rights act of 1964.  So the democrats you mention from the late 1800s are today’s Republicans  and the party of Lincoln are today s Democrats."  Ok well then,  the Earth is flat, water flows uphill and the moon is made out of cheese.  
    That is revisionist history and total LIES. Huge gargantuan lies and false crap!  That is why most of todays colleges are cesspools of disinformation.
    Lincoln, Reagan, and Trump are the same party.  
    Sorry but youve been lied to.  That is why it's almost impossible to have conversations these days.  Southern Democrats were the Confederacy, and today's Democrats are still the oppressors.
    Sorry, but You can't just flip a switch in 1964 for convenience purposes, sorry the Democratic partie owns its long bloody history.  That is very inconvenient for lefties to overcome.  That's why they want to erase it. 
    And by the way, nothing has changed much, look what goes on in all the major cities run by democrats for the last 50-100+ years how's it going there?  
    I guess there's no point in conversing with you then because we're the sheep according to you. Good luck in your world of illusion. You sound like my cousin who thinks the world is only a few thousand years old and science is all bullshit.

    And also, who actually is hurt by Aunt Jemima changing names? Oh no, I can't find it in the grocery aisle anymore! It's a product, not a person! You're offended by all the wrong things.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,116
    edited June 2020
    RYME said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    RYME said:
    Well, do ALL black lives matter?  Or just the ones that advance leftism and anarchy?
    Getting rid of Aunt Jemima pancakes, and tearing down statues shows that democrats are trying to erase their history asap before people catch on. Democrats don't want you to know about Andrew Jackson and why they want to get him off the $20 bill( founder of the Democratic Party (Trail of Tears Indian Killer and big time slave owner.  Founders and head of the KKK. ( Democrats)
    There are a lot of black people that do not want history erased.
    https://youtu.be/wR2lK36Tc4M

    FYI: the parties switched right around the passage of the civil rights act of 1964.  So the democrats you mention from the late 1800s are today’s Republicans  and the party of Lincoln are today s Democrats.   
    And robert e lee didn’t even want statues; I m not following how we erase history by taking down statues.  
     I m not sure if taking down these statues will have the desired effect everyone is looking for but I am also not a person of color so I am not sure how it affects them.  
    ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER, not just some.
    FYI: "the parties switched right around the passage of the civil rights act of 1964.  So the democrats you mention from the late 1800s are today’s Republicans  and the party of Lincoln are today s Democrats."  Ok well then,  the Earth is flat, water flows uphill and the moon is made out of cheese.  
    That is revisionist history and total LIES. Huge gargantuan lies and false crap!  That is why most of todays colleges are cesspools of disinformation.
    Lincoln, Reagan, and Trump are the same party.  
    Sorry but youve been lied to.  That is why it's almost impossible to have conversations these days.  Southern Democrats were the Confederacy, and today's Democrats are still the oppressors.
    Sorry, but You can't just flip a switch in 1964 for convenience purposes, sorry the Democratic partie owns its long bloody history.  That is very inconvenient for lefties to overcome.  That's why they want to erase it. 
    And by the way, nothing has changed much, look what goes on in all the major cities run by democrats for the last 50-100+ years how's it going there?  
    You are telling me with a straight face that during the civil rights movement  the parties, especially southern democrats, didn’t switch?
    And you honestly think the parties of Lincoln and Trump are the same? What similarities do you see between the two?
    and yes southern democrats did create the KKK, no one is trying to rewrite history (where does that even come from?)
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    NVM
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  • Bentleyspop
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    Racists and racism is everywhere 

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    Bentleyspop said:
    Racists and racism is everywhere 

    Talladega 
    white house 
    PJ fan board

    It's not new but it is being exposed and people are showing their true selves.


    I’m glad that the true colors of some of the posters here have come out , just for future reference as to not ever wanna spend anytime near them even at a PJ show! 
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