Police abuse

PJPOWER · May 2020

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is where I am at this moment.

Can’t kneel....can’t riot...can’t continue to live this way.

Can’t block any sort of roadway or public area. Being inconvenienced really irritates the white folk.

My issue with the violence is that it only creates more violence. Are you okay with people that you don’t agree with using these same violent methods for their cause (whatever it may be). All that you do when you encourage violence is encourage more violence. People here were complaining when the anti Quarantine idiots were blocking roadways...well...
As many have said, I cannot imagine the anger over this situation that I would feel if I were black. At the same time, I learned not to break shit when angry when I was a toddler...

I guess you’re okay with the vandalism and armed occupation of a nature preserve and the armed, illegal grazing of cattle on federal land? Violence perpetrated on the innocent or a double standard? Maybe you’re also okay with that motorcycle gang shootout at lunch time? Why one but not the other?

And when you were a toddler, did your dad fail to come home after going to the corner store? After going for a jog? Maybe just going about their day? When you were a toddler, did you hear about friends or family members being face down in the street? Not coming home because of a run in with the police? And when you were a toddler, did you have a reason to break something? I think I know the answer.

I guess you’re an idiot if you think I’m okay with any of those things. Not surprised though...

Halifax2TheMax · May 2020

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is where I am at this moment.

Can’t kneel....can’t riot...can’t continue to live this way.

Can’t block any sort of roadway or public area. Being inconvenienced really irritates the white folk.

My issue with the violence is that it only creates more violence. Are you okay with people that you don’t agree with using these same violent methods for their cause (whatever it may be). All that you do when you encourage violence is encourage more violence. People here were complaining when the anti Quarantine idiots were blocking roadways...well...
As many have said, I cannot imagine the anger over this situation that I would feel if I were black. At the same time, I learned not to break shit when angry when I was a toddler...

I guess you’re okay with the vandalism and armed occupation of a nature preserve and the armed, illegal grazing of cattle on federal land? Violence perpetrated on the innocent or a double standard? Maybe you’re also okay with that motorcycle gang shootout at lunch time? Why one but not the other?

And when you were a toddler, did your dad fail to come home after going to the corner store? After going for a jog? Maybe just going about their day? When you were a toddler, did you hear about friends or family members being face down in the street? Not coming home because of a run in with the police? And when you were a toddler, did you have a reason to break something? I think I know the answer.

I guess you’re an idiot if you think I’m okay with any of those things. Not surprised though...

Funny, you equate breaking shit with being a toddler and I don’t recall you being as upset with those examples I provided. Yea, I’m an idiot, I’ll admit it. Can you?

brianlux · May 2020

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is a tough one.

First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here. But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues, I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change. I don't say that easily. I understand the protests. I'm against violent protest, but I understand it. How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere? What would I be doing if I were a young black man? If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

I don't know for sure anymore what creates change. One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them. Something has to give.

Halifax2TheMax · May 2020

Minnesota governor is blaming the unrest in Minneapolis on drug cartels and white supremists and talking like we’re in falujha 2007. He’s even in close communication with the Team Trump Treason Administration and getting classified intel on the perps. Everyone is being discussed as a “target.”

Hitler is alive and well. And he’s got a foot in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Not one mention from any elected official that stepped to the podium of what to do differently so that African Americans aren’t murdered in custody.

”Posse comititus.” Need I say more? Looking forward to drone strikes on the “thugs.”

governor of MN, as a “dem,” is a wack. Sorry.

mace1229 · May 2020

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is a tough one.

First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here. But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues, I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change. I don't say that easily. I understand the protests. I'm against violent protest, but I understand it. How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere? What would I be doing if I were a young black man? If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

I don't know for sure anymore what creates change. One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them. Something has to give.

When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters.

23scidoo · May 2020

PJPOWER said:

Has anyone else seen the videos of people dressed in black starting the fires and breaking windows? Wtf is their motivation? Seems like there are some plants in the crowd trying to increase negative perception of the protesters or? Most looked like white people dressed in black...who are those asshats stirring the pot?
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ivuIk1o-A&feature=share

100% agent provocateur..

ConorKavanagh · May 2020

I'd hazard a guess that those types are not being included in Brian's statement.

g under p · May 2020

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Some here seem to sympathize with the rioters. I can’t. It’s disgusting. In my opinion they aren’t protesting, but taking advantage of someone else’s death to riot, rob and loot.
The cop should be charged. But they are just as bad when they set fires, rob banks, change “kill white people” etc. I will never take a group of people seriously who pretend to be against the system when they promote violence based on color themselves or burn down random stores of innocent people. Anyone found rioting should be arrested and held accountable for all injuries, deaths and damages.

with how angry i am over this, as a privileged and safe white male canadian, i simply cannot fathom the anger i'd feel if were a black male american. i simply can't. do i agree with rioting? i don't know if there's an agree or disagree on that. but i also can't judge, because i simply cannot even get close to fitting in their shoes.

Yeah, I agree. I would certainly never engage in or condone rioting as a reaction, but as a while male, that's easy to say. When I watch video of George Floyd being detained and killed the way he was and then think about how racism and police brutality too often occurs (not always, there are good cops), and then think about how I would feel if I were an African American, I can understand the violent reaction. I too cannot judge that reaction.

Let's all not forget what might have triggered the rioting and looting on Thursday night. I believe it was the DA said something that left even me confused. To those who live in that city felt their protesting was going unnoticed and not much was going to done about this police brutality AGAIN.

So I believe that night they went out to get this country's attention, the world's attention as to what is happening in the Twin City. That's why a police station was targeted as well as many businesses. I'm NOT in any means condoning the looting/rioting things are tough enough as it is. Those conducting such crimes should be arrested and charged.

So what happens the next day Friday, Chauvin is finally charged. Sometimes it takes action yes violent action to get the attention necessary to get some justice for the Floyd family. When one is in these victims shoes it's hard to be patient when this brutality continues and absolutely NOTHING gets done or any change comes from it.

I know I've had two occasions years ago did nothing wrong. One I was arrested, i was 18 and to this day I've no idea why i was arrested or charged my main concern was I didn't want my mother to know what happened. Whatever it was it couldn't have been much of crime they let me go that night, then later a court fine of $25 summer 1978. I gather it was more to humiliate me than anything else. The other I refused to lay down when knew i was totally right. I was a man by then and knew much about my rights and stood up for myself and rudely let go on the spot. It's a crazy feeling when one has to act a certain way when pulled over and for others it's not much of a concern and this continues everyday living here in America.

Peace

josevolution · May 2020

https://twitter.com/foxwoundband/status/1266613385862447104?s=21
Just when you think you’ve seen it all white folks do something totally insane , how many of you would subject your kid to do something like this ?

F Me In The Brain · May 2020

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is a tough one.

First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here. But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues, I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change. I don't say that easily. I understand the protests. I'm against violent protest, but I understand it. How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere? What would I be doing if I were a young black man? If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

I don't know for sure anymore what creates change. One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them. Something has to give.

When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters.

Do those same people bring bazookas with them to Subway when they go for a 6" Sammie?
Or an AK to Wal Mart?

The president thinks those people are Patriots.

tbergs · May 2020

Halifax2TheMax said:

Minnesota governor is blaming the unrest in Minneapolis on drug cartels and white supremists and talking like we’re in falujha 2007. He’s even in close communication with the Team Trump Treason Administration and getting classified intel on the perps. Everyone is being discussed as a “target.”

Hitler is alive and well. And he’s got a foot in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Not one mention from any elected official that stepped to the podium of what to do differently so that African Americans aren’t murdered in custody.

”Posse comititus.” Need I say more? Looking forward to drone strikes on the “thugs.”

governor of MN, as a “dem,” is a wack. Sorry.

I don't think he is blaming everything on those groups, but there has been reports of people not affiliated with the protestors looting and setting fires. Would you prefer they blame African American protestors for everything even if it's not true? You've got a Dem governor and mayor being heavily criticized by Trump on Twitter and him threatening to send in the military. They could have activated national guard sooner, but waited. Probably hoping they wouldn't have to go that route. Was is the right call to wait? To let the 3rd precinct burn? I don't know, I don't think you'd get that kind patience from a "wack" whose beholden to Trump. They're human beings trying to allow people to voice their frustration, but you've also got a limited number of officers and fire fighters trying to stop the carnage. It fucking sucks.

I think the governor is doing a good job of balancing the need to let people protest, but also keep the rest of the metro area safe. He knows burning bridges (figuratively) with the current admin will get us nowhere and possibly lead to Trump trying to instill martial law with military presence. But I'm sure you'd handle it much better from your couch a thousand miles away. Come on down to MN and lead the charge so we can get this handled right. My friends need your guidance.

Bentleyspop · May 2020

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/foxwoundband/status/1266613385862447104?s=21
Just when you think you’ve seen it all white folks do something totally insane , how many of you would subject your kid to do something like this ?

We've got to defend the mall at all costs.
We have to defend our god given right to shop

PJPOWER · May 2020

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is where I am at this moment.

Can’t kneel....can’t riot...can’t continue to live this way.

Can’t block any sort of roadway or public area. Being inconvenienced really irritates the white folk.

My issue with the violence is that it only creates more violence. Are you okay with people that you don’t agree with using these same violent methods for their cause (whatever it may be). All that you do when you encourage violence is encourage more violence. People here were complaining when the anti Quarantine idiots were blocking roadways...well...
As many have said, I cannot imagine the anger over this situation that I would feel if I were black. At the same time, I learned not to break shit when angry when I was a toddler...

I guess you’re okay with the vandalism and armed occupation of a nature preserve and the armed, illegal grazing of cattle on federal land? Violence perpetrated on the innocent or a double standard? Maybe you’re also okay with that motorcycle gang shootout at lunch time? Why one but not the other?

And when you were a toddler, did your dad fail to come home after going to the corner store? After going for a jog? Maybe just going about their day? When you were a toddler, did you hear about friends or family members being face down in the street? Not coming home because of a run in with the police? And when you were a toddler, did you have a reason to break something? I think I know the answer.

I guess you’re an idiot if you think I’m okay with any of those things. Not surprised though...

Funny, you equate breaking shit with being a toddler and I don’t recall you being as upset with those examples I provided. Yea, I’m an idiot, I’ll admit it. Can you?

Nope, but I can block you...and yes, you have the brain of a toddler if you think breaking shit when you’re mad is the appropriate response. Buh bye

Halifax2TheMax · May 2020

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Minnesota governor is blaming the unrest in Minneapolis on drug cartels and white supremists and talking like we’re in falujha 2007. He’s even in close communication with the Team Trump Treason Administration and getting classified intel on the perps. Everyone is being discussed as a “target.”

Hitler is alive and well. And he’s got a foot in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Not one mention from any elected official that stepped to the podium of what to do differently so that African Americans aren’t murdered in custody.

”Posse comititus.” Need I say more? Looking forward to drone strikes on the “thugs.”

governor of MN, as a “dem,” is a wack. Sorry.

I don't think he is blaming everything on those groups, but there has been reports of people not affiliated with the protestors looting and setting fires. Would you prefer they blame African American protestors for everything even if it's not true? You've got a Dem governor and mayor being heavily criticized by Trump on Twitter and him threatening to send in the military. They could have activated national guard sooner, but waited. Probably hoping they wouldn't have to go that route. Was is the right call to wait? To let the 3rd precinct burn? I don't know, I don't think you'd get that kind patience from a "wack" whose beholden to Trump. They're human beings trying to allow people to voice their frustration, but you've also got a limited number of officers and fire fighters trying to stop the carnage. It fucking sucks.

I think the governor is doing a good job of balancing the need to let people protest, but also keep the rest of the metro area safe. He knows burning bridges (figuratively) with the current admin will get us nowhere and possibly lead to Trump trying to instill martial law with military presence. But I'm sure you'd handle it much better from your couch a thousand miles away. Come on down to MN and lead the charge so we can get this handled right. My friends need your guidance.

It was his constant war monger rhetoric about responding and tactics and how they’re going to militarize the fight and throwing fuel on the fire by mentioning anarchists and outsiders, all the while not one mention of the victim, what sparked the demonstrations or what reforms might be forthcoming. I agree it sucks, but where is the compassion from the leadership? It sounded like all they were going to do is bust heads. Go home and protest later was even mentioned. When does shit start to change?

Bentleyspop · May 2020

Halifax2TheMax said:

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Minnesota governor is blaming the unrest in Minneapolis on drug cartels and white supremists and talking like we’re in falujha 2007. He’s even in close communication with the Team Trump Treason Administration and getting classified intel on the perps. Everyone is being discussed as a “target.”

Hitler is alive and well. And he’s got a foot in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Not one mention from any elected official that stepped to the podium of what to do differently so that African Americans aren’t murdered in custody.

”Posse comititus.” Need I say more? Looking forward to drone strikes on the “thugs.”

governor of MN, as a “dem,” is a wack. Sorry.

I don't think he is blaming everything on those groups, but there has been reports of people not affiliated with the protestors looting and setting fires. Would you prefer they blame African American protestors for everything even if it's not true? You've got a Dem governor and mayor being heavily criticized by Trump on Twitter and him threatening to send in the military. They could have activated national guard sooner, but waited. Probably hoping they wouldn't have to go that route. Was is the right call to wait? To let the 3rd precinct burn? I don't know, I don't think you'd get that kind patience from a "wack" whose beholden to Trump. They're human beings trying to allow people to voice their frustration, but you've also got a limited number of officers and fire fighters trying to stop the carnage. It fucking sucks.

I think the governor is doing a good job of balancing the need to let people protest, but also keep the rest of the metro area safe. He knows burning bridges (figuratively) with the current admin will get us nowhere and possibly lead to Trump trying to instill martial law with military presence. But I'm sure you'd handle it much better from your couch a thousand miles away. Come on down to MN and lead the charge so we can get this handled right. My friends need your guidance.

It was his constant war monger rhetoric about responding and tactics and how they’re going to militarize the fight and throwing fuel on the fire by mentioning anarchists and outsiders, all the while not one mention of the victim, what sparked the demonstrations or what reforms might be forthcoming. I agree it sucks, but where is the compassion from the leadership? It sounded like all they were going to do is bust heads. Go home and protest later was even mentioned. When does shit start to change?

November 4th?

brianlux · May 2020

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is a tough one.

First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here. But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues, I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change. I don't say that easily. I understand the protests. I'm against violent protest, but I understand it. How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere? What would I be doing if I were a young black man? If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

I don't know for sure anymore what creates change. One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them. Something has to give.

When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters.

No, I don't agree with the looting and the arson. I understand it, I understand the anger, but burning and stealing is not something I condone. But look, the reality is, the great majority of protesters are not burning and looting. And we should remember that the media loves it. Man, that shit sells. But ALL the other protesters? I say, Right ON!

brianlux · May 2020

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is a tough one.

First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here. But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues, I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change. I don't say that easily. I understand the protests. I'm against violent protest, but I understand it. How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere? What would I be doing if I were a young black man? If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

I don't know for sure anymore what creates change. One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them. Something has to give.

When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters.

No, I don't agree with the looting and the arson. I understand it, I understand the anger, but burning and stealing is not something I condone. But look, the reality is, the great majority of protesters are not burning and looting. And we should remember that the media loves it. Man, that shit sells. But ALL the other protesters? I say, Right ON!

A rebuttal to myself:

Yeah, OK, but what has peaceful protest ever gained? Maybe violence in the streets is the only way to get enough attention to the problem to make enough people aware of how bad the situation is and how seriously change needs to happen. There are no easy answers.

pjl44 · May 2020

brianlux said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is a tough one.

First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here.   But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues, I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change. I don't say that easily. I understand the protests. I'm against violent protest, but I understand it. How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere? What would I be doing if I were a young black man? If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

I don't know for sure anymore what creates change. One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them. Something has to give.

When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters.

No, I don't agree with the looting and the arson. I understand it, I understand the anger, but burning and stealing is not something I condone. But look, the reality is, the great majority of protesters are not burning and looting. And we should remember that the media loves it. Man, that shit sells. But ALL the other protesters? I say, Right ON!

A rebuttal to myself:

Yeah, OK, but what has peaceful protest ever gained? Maybe violence in the streets is the only way to get enough attention to the problem to make enough people aware of how bad the situation is and how seriously change needs to happen. There are no easy answers.

I think the way to square it is distinguishing between the violence directed at precinct buildings and police vehicles vs. that directed at things like local businesses or a Native American cultural center. It's awful on a number of levels that this is what it's come to, but I do see a distinction there.

This mostly sums up how I'm feeling about things:

brianlux · May 2020

pjl44 said:

brianlux said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration.

This is a tough one.

First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here.   But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues, I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change. I don't say that easily. I understand the protests. I'm against violent protest, but I understand it. How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere? What would I be doing if I were a young black man? If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

I don't know for sure anymore what creates change. One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them. Something has to give.

When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters.

No, I don't agree with the looting and the arson. I understand it, I understand the anger, but burning and stealing is not something I condone. But look, the reality is, the great majority of protesters are not burning and looting. And we should remember that the media loves it. Man, that shit sells. But ALL the other protesters? I say, Right ON!

A rebuttal to myself:

Yeah, OK, but what has peaceful protest ever gained? Maybe violence in the streets is the only way to get enough attention to the problem to make enough people aware of how bad the situation is and how seriously change needs to happen. There are no easy answers.

I think the way to square it is distinguishing between the violence directed at precinct buildings and police vehicles vs. that directed at things like local businesses or a Native American cultural center. It's awful on a number of levels that this is what it's come to, but I do see a distinction there.

This mostly sums up how I'm feeling about things:

Good point, pjl. Destruction of local/ independent small businesses and a cultural center are despicable. I'm guessing most protesters would strongly oppose those actions.

bootlegger10 · May 2020

The window Directly below my apartment got busted night. I was clueless. Just watching tv.

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