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  • hypothetical:

    so we have 100 americans. 

    90 are white. 
    10 are black. 

    15 of those americans are killed by police. 

    10 are white. 
    5 are black. 

    sure, that's twice as many white people as black people killed, but:

    1/9 of the white pop. 
    1/2 of the black pop. 

    and here someone is trying to make a point that it's the sheer number that matters, not that there seems to be a major disparity in the percentage. 

    yes, all lives matter, but that's not the point of the BLM movement. the point is that, currently, black lives matter much less. if they didn't in the eyes of law enforcement/society, it would be 1/9 of each group being killed. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    hypothetical:

    so we have 100 americans. 

    90 are white. 
    10 are black. 

    15 of those americans are killed by police. 

    10 are white. 
    5 are black. 

    sure, that's twice as many white people as black people killed, but:

    1/9 of the white pop. 
    1/2 of the black pop. 

    and here someone is trying to make a point that it's the sheer number that matters, not that there seems to be a major disparity in the percentage. 

    yes, all lives matter, but that's not the point of the BLM movement. the point is that, currently, black lives matter much less. if they didn't in the eyes of law enforcement/society, it would be 1/9 of each group being killed. 
    Please stop with the numbers.
    Facts and data driven by numbers is not recognized by those who argue against what drives BLM.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,637
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    dignin said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    tbergs said:
    cutz said:






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    That USA statistic is misleading. Many states require at least a 2 year degree and several departments even require 4 years. Those states that don't require post secondary education are fucked up. For reference though, MN has some of the highest standards and look what happened here in the last 5 years.
    Statistic mentions nothing about population as well. Another useless Twitter meme  that people will believe automatically because they want to. 
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

     Rate of police killings per 10 million residents

    United States 33.5
    Canada** 9.8
    Australia*** 8.5
    The Netherlands 2.3
    New Zealand**** 2
    Germany**** 1.3
    England and Wales 0.5
    Japan**** 0.2
    Iceland**** 0
    Norway**** 0

    And the largest group of USA victims are white. By a lot. 

    Until liberals and conservatives are honest with each other, that the US is a top 20 crime country and with by far the most guns on the street, it is a brutally dangerous job to police the streets.

    Yet we still have other commenters calling the Daunte case “murder “ and continue to ignore the risks he decided to take over the last couple of years in his life in a very dangerous country that eventually put him into a high risk confrontation with the cops.

    Taser errors have been historically categorized as manslaughter and the conviction rate is extremely low.

    white victims make sense because white americans are the majority by a lot. so stop that shit. its disingenuous.


    No it’s not. You are

    the f*caking truth is nearly half of all deaths at the hands of the police last year were white. Double the amount of black victims. That’s the effing fact, be honest and own it. Were those cops also racist murderers? It does not matter at all the percentages were worse for blacks. Those deaths matter. They all do. 


    The problem with America is both sides, liberals and conservatives, fail to see the truth, that the US has one of the highest rates of crime in the world , which is exponentially worse due to the absurd levels of guns on the street.

    The right insists on more guns, and the left refuses again to call out a Black man who made several dangerous decisions in his young adult life that significantly  enhanced his risk of a tragic outcome.
    from wiki, population of white americans

    White Americans are Americans who identify as and are perceived to be white people. White Americans (including White Hispanics) constitute the historical and current majority of the people living in the United States, with 72% of the population identifying as white alone totalling 236,475,401 people and 75% identify white fully or multiracial totalling 246,234,076 people. Non-Hispanic Whites totaled about 197,181,177 or about 60.1% of the population in 2019.[3] European Americans are the largest panethnic group of White Americans and have constituted the majority population of the United States since the nation's founding. 

    from wiki, black americans

    African Americans (also referred to as Black Americans or Afro-Americans)[3] are an ethnic group of Americans with total or partial ancestry from any of the black racial groups of Africa.[4][5] The term African American generally denotes descendants of enslaved black people who are from the United States,[6][7][8] while some recent black immigrants or their children may also come to identify as African-American or may identify differently.[9]

    African Americans
    Total population
    46,713,850 (2019)[1]
    14.2% of the total U.S. population (2019)[1]
    41,989,671 (2019) (one race)[1]
    12.8% of the total U.S. population (2019)[1]
    40,596,040 (2019) (non-Hispanic)[1]
    12.4% of the total U.S. population (2019)[1]


    you know, facts.....

    as a percentage of demographic population, black folks fare far worse by a mile.




    A white adult had a 0.0000029% chance of getting killed by a cop last year, and a non white had a 0.0000042% chance. Unfortunately we all had a much greater chance of being the victim of a violent crime,as America is a top 20 crime country with the most amount of guns, which is what makes policing especially dangerous here.


    So it makes perfect sense ignoring Wright’s rather long list of poor decisions involving the law, have leaders of the Black community ignore his illegal gun carry, felony armed robbery attempt and multiple other indictments in his far too short 2 year adult life, and instead spin that a horrible taser accident is somehow a racist murder comparable to the  Chauvin murder of Floyd.


    We will really solve America’s violent crime problem with that strategy.


    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    cutz said:
    I remember this.  The guy whom got shot looked like he was reaching behind him.  What I wanted to know was why the hell the cop was going commando on the guy.  He was sobbing because he was afraid that he was going to get shot, and he did.

    After watching this I will never move for a cop.  I'll lie down on my stomach with my hands on my head.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    cutz said:
    I remember this.  The guy whom got shot looked like he was reaching behind him.  What I wanted to know was why the hell the cop was going commando on the guy.  He was sobbing because he was afraid that he was going to get shot, and he did.

    After watching this I will never move for a cop.  I'll lie down on my stomach with my hands on my head.
    Haven't watched the video since it was headline news. But from what I remember as he was crawling on the ground as instructed his shorts were falling off, he went to pull up his shorts and thats what made the cop think he was reaching for something. 
    Definitely bad policing and should have been avoided. Seems like a better tactic once the subject is on the ground to swarm him rather than have him move towards you in an awkward crawl. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    mace1229 said:
    cutz said:
    I remember this.  The guy whom got shot looked like he was reaching behind him.  What I wanted to know was why the hell the cop was going commando on the guy.  He was sobbing because he was afraid that he was going to get shot, and he did.

    After watching this I will never move for a cop.  I'll lie down on my stomach with my hands on my head.
    Haven't watched the video since it was headline news. But from what I remember as he was crawling on the ground as instructed his shorts were falling off, he went to pull up his shorts and thats what made the cop think he was reaching for something. 
    Definitely bad policing and should have been avoided. Seems like a better tactic once the subject is on the ground to swarm him rather than have him move towards you in an awkward crawl. 
    The gal was in the FB PJ forums.  I remember her being really mad at the cop getting off as she should be.
  • well it is in the hands of the jury now.

    anybody think he will be found guilty?

    for some reason i just do not see him being found guilty.

    maybe i do not believe in justice anymore after seeing this movie too many times.

    we shall see,

    and now we wait....
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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,435
    3rd degree is my guess
  • PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    i think that definitely fits. 

    i can also see one juror holding out and this end up a hung jury.

    a reported on twitter said earlier that the judge told them that there is no transcript of the trial available so they would have to use the notes they took during the trial.

    to be honest i have more faith in taco bell getting my order right that our justice system.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.


    Serious question: When does the rioting end, and retaliation start?

    At what point does someone get so fed up, that they start actively hunting the police (and their families)?

    Last time the police station was burned to the ground.  Someone popped off a few shots towards the National Guard here the other day. 

    I fear it's only a matter of time before this war is brought to the doorstep of a police officer's home. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    CM189191 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.


    Serious question: When does the rioting end, and retaliation start?

    At what point does someone get so fed up, that they start actively hunting the police (and their families)?

    Last time the police station was burned to the ground.  Someone popped off a few shots towards the National Guard here the other day. 

    I fear it's only a matter of time before this war is brought to the doorstep of a police officer's home. 
    Isn’t that exactly what the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and White supremacists and nationals want? Hasn’t that always been their endgame, to bring about a race war? You might be better served asking Fucker Carlson and Shit Hannity.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    well it is in the hands of the jury now.

    anybody think he will be found guilty?

    for some reason i just do not see him being found guilty.

    maybe i do not believe in justice anymore after seeing this movie too many times.

    we shall see,

    and now we wait....
    If you go by police protocol and procedure he should be acquitted, which of course will cause WW3 there.

    CM189191 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.


    Serious question: When does the rioting end, and retaliation start?

    At what point does someone get so fed up, that they start actively hunting the police (and their families)?

    Last time the police station was burned to the ground.  Someone popped off a few shots towards the National Guard here the other day. 

    I fear it's only a matter of time before this war is brought to the doorstep of a police officer's home. 
    The last thing that needs to happen is have a cop killed in his home.  After the 2 cops were executed in their squad car here in NY the whole department was on edge.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.


    Serious question: When does the rioting end, and retaliation start?

    At what point does someone get so fed up, that they start actively hunting the police (and their families)?

    Last time the police station was burned to the ground.  Someone popped off a few shots towards the National Guard here the other day. 

    I fear it's only a matter of time before this war is brought to the doorstep of a police officer's home. 
    Isn’t that exactly what the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and White supremacists and nationals want? Hasn’t that always been their endgame, to bring about a race war? You might be better served asking Fucker Carlson and Shit Hannity.


    I think we're already in a race war

    With one side being state-sponsored, resulting in a form of asymmetric/irregular warfare

    I feel it's only a matter of time before guerrilla tactics become widespread
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    well it is in the hands of the jury now.

    anybody think he will be found guilty?

    for some reason i just do not see him being found guilty.

    maybe i do not believe in justice anymore after seeing this movie too many times.

    we shall see,

    and now we wait....
    If you go by police protocol and procedure he should be acquitted, which of course will cause WW3 there.

    CM189191 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.


    Serious question: When does the rioting end, and retaliation start?

    At what point does someone get so fed up, that they start actively hunting the police (and their families)?

    Last time the police station was burned to the ground.  Someone popped off a few shots towards the National Guard here the other day. 

    I fear it's only a matter of time before this war is brought to the doorstep of a police officer's home. 
    The last thing that needs to happen is have a cop killed in his home.  After the 2 cops were executed in their squad car here in NY the whole department was on edge.
    There were several police supervisors and the chief who testified that Chauvin violated procedure and used excessive force so I think they made a good case against his actions.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    tbergs said:
    well it is in the hands of the jury now.

    anybody think he will be found guilty?

    for some reason i just do not see him being found guilty.

    maybe i do not believe in justice anymore after seeing this movie too many times.

    we shall see,

    and now we wait....
    If you go by police protocol and procedure he should be acquitted, which of course will cause WW3 there.

    CM189191 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.


    Serious question: When does the rioting end, and retaliation start?

    At what point does someone get so fed up, that they start actively hunting the police (and their families)?

    Last time the police station was burned to the ground.  Someone popped off a few shots towards the National Guard here the other day. 

    I fear it's only a matter of time before this war is brought to the doorstep of a police officer's home. 
    The last thing that needs to happen is have a cop killed in his home.  After the 2 cops were executed in their squad car here in NY the whole department was on edge.
    There were several police supervisors and the chief who testified that Chauvin violated procedure and used excessive force so I think they made a good case against his actions.
    Did you see the cops that said it was justified?

    The chief also said that not everything he did wasn't protocol.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
    And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
  • mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
    And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
    uh, no. I don't see it. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
    And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
     :s  
  • mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
    And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
    uh, no. I don't see it. 
    me neither.
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  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    well it is in the hands of the jury now.

    anybody think he will be found guilty?

    for some reason i just do not see him being found guilty.

    maybe i do not believe in justice anymore after seeing this movie too many times.

    we shall see,

    and now we wait....
    I wouldn't be surprised or shocked that he's acquitted.  This our justice system which appears to protect some bad officers who do horrible things while on the force.  

    I do believe what will actually happen is a hung jury and if so the other officers that have been charged will be acquitted for sure. We may have some dark days ahead. 

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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,442
    mace1229 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJNB said:
    3rd degree is my guess
    I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
    And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
    uh, no. I don't see it. 
    I hope you’re right. But I don’t agree. The opportunistic looters will show up no matter what the verdict is. 
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  • i'm stunned
    i am too. in a good way. 
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • i'm stunned
    i am too. in a good way. 
    absolutely.
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