Arrested for no insurance seems so ridiculous it does make me wonder if there are other factors. Like a suspended license and no insurance, and the arrest charge listed both? And thus included in this stat. Arresting people just on no insurance alone seems excessive if that is what happened in all of those cases.
those arent criminal offenses.......
traffic cases
You can 100% be arrested for driving on a suspended license. What are they going to do, write you a ticket and send you driving home on a suspended license?
And I'm not arguing if that 5 times more likely to be arrested for no insurance was accurate or not. I was just saying I wanted more information but was unable to read the article. If black people in that county drive uninsured 5 times more often, it would make sense they get arrested 5 times more. I also looked it up, in my state you can be arrested for no insurance. But says it is unlikely if it is your first time without incident. Arrests usually come with repeat offenders or if you were involved in an accident. I don't know what the data is so I can't comment, but was just mentioning it would be worth knowing the non-insured difference between races if you're going to compare that data. It would make the point a whole lot stronger if the uninsured rate was the same while on the other hand make that stat completely useless if there was a large difference. Its worth knowing is all I was saying, and I don't know what it is.
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So now the goal is to show where police didn't shoot someone, but should have? Only the caveat is that we must make sure to post incidents that support our narrative; cops are racist and never shoot and kill white suspects? This should be productive.
The white narrative is “ he should have complied.” But when white people don’t comply, they tend to make it out alive. It’s evident that cops can end these instances without bullets.
And to be clear, I don’t want them to start shooting white people more; I want them to shoot black people less.
Do you have numbers to back up this claim? I would like to know:
1. How many interactions law enforcement has with African Americans? Think of how many arrests are made daily nationwide, yet we have these instances that grab all the headlines. Same for number of interactions with white people? 2. How many of those interactions involve the suspect fleeing? Same with white people? 3. How many black people have been killed by law enforcement? If you can break down that number by those armed and unarmed that would be great. Same with white people? Armed and unarmed.
I have to think the percentage is very low, way less than a percent. But we know that if it bleeds, it leads and the media loves a good race narrative.
Minneapolis Has Major Racial Disparities in Its Policing
ACLU report shows that arrests for low-level offenses in the city skew heavily toward blacks. Including arrests that don’t “fit any crime.”
African American drivers there are more than nine times more likely than whites to be arrested for driving violations
African Americans were 8.7 times more likely than whites were to be arrested for low low-level offenses
African Americans were over 25 times more likely to be arrested for an offense called "loitering with intent to commit a narcotics offense”—which does not actually require that narcotics be in someone's possession.
African Americans were over five times more likely to be arrested for not having proof of car insurance, which is "particularly noteworthy since patrol officers could not possibly know whether or not drivers had proof of insurance when they pulled them over,"
I was unable to read the article because I dont want to create an account. But I'm curious if that insurance rate one was 5 times more likely after factoring in the frequency of uninsured drivers. Or do they not have insurance 5 times as often too? If that is the case, then so what? And true, no one is ever pulled over for insurance. But what's the first thing they ask for when pulled over for anything else; license, insurance and registration. And I would imagine if you can't provide it, you get that ticket pretty close to 100% of the time. Which I believe is often a "fix it" ticket. In the sense if you have insurance but just lost your card, you can show the court you were covered and it goes away.
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Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
Prohibitions generally; exceptions. (a) A person shall not drive or operate any motor vehicle with:
(2) any objects suspended between the driver and the windshield
There should be a whole division that deals with minor infractions that don’t carry lethal weapons and can’t issue any other citations than the one being stopped for.
I hear you but you never know who you’re pulling over. Plenty of examples of very minor traffic stops resulting in cops getting shot at. I recently got pulled over for having a mask hanging on the rear view mirror. I never keep it there I just happened to hang it up in between some errands.
Would people be so worried and high stress if they knew that traffic cops were only responsible for traffic and other vehicle infractions and couldn’t expand their scope beyond what they are pulling someone over for? Probably not. I mean let’s say I have a trash bag of weed in my trunk and I get pulled over for expired tags and know that I can only get a ticket for a traffic violation, tags, etc. I’m not gonna have an oh shot moment, I’m gonna take my ticket and go.
You’re admitting if we keep enforcement off of the roads, crime will rise dramatically. Once criminals know there is limited enforcement on the roads , it’s gang land Chicago all over again.
In your mind expired plates, broken taillight, etc = gang land lol I can see why you think things are good as they are
Heaven forbid someone you know is run over and suffers a terrible injury while an eyewitness has the plate ID yet they are bogus plates and the perpetrator gets away. We are all expected to drive with proper plates for a reason.
I don't know, this stuff is just crazy and does not help.
Wright’s family has stated that they will be unsatisfied with anything short of murder charges against Potter. “Prosecute them, like they would prosecute us,” Nyesha Wright, the victim’s aunt, said at a Tuesday news conference. “We want the highest justice.”
Ben Crump, an attorney for Wright’s family, likened Potter’s shooting of the 20-year-old to an “execution” and expressed disbelief that Potter, a 26-year veteran of policing, could allegedly mistake a gun for a Taser.
“While we appreciate that the district attorney is pursuing justice for Daunte, no conviction can give the Wright family their loved one back,” Crump said in a statement Wednesday. “This was no accident. This was an intentional, deliberate, and unlawful use of force.”
That’s my point about Black leaders meeting us halfway in this case. This is not the time to be screaming Potter is a racist murderer. Anyone who watched that video should be able to understand her mistake, considering she just learned Wright had a gun crime on his record and he initiated illegal force against her
Wright put himself in this position by breaking the law multiple times. A Black leader needs to tell his people, “hey this unfortunate incident was partially caused by a young man and the dangerous decisions he made over the course of two years. And let’s have a moment of silence for all of the White victims of police murder, who outnumber black victims two to one.”
Who is this Us that Black leaders should meet halfway?
American residents who take care and effort to follow the laws that attempt to keep us safe. Both sides in this horrible incident should be held accountable.
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
those two the evidence for being a black man in america is strong.
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
those two the evidence for being a black man in america is strong.
Racism in America is horrible. It disgusts me. I have family who voted for trump and I can no longer look them in the eyes. Do you experience that in Matt Good Country ? ( I know, not BC )
But concerned citizens should be able to distinguish the significant differences between Chauvin and Potter. Women screaming at us on TV that Potter is a racist murderer is no way for the country to get this right. And defund the police came within 0.00001% of getting trump four more years, when many “experts” mistakenly thought Biden would coast to any easy win. We all want more trump? Accountability for all matters.
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
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Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
At what point do you think they were harassing him? Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
At what point do you think they were harassing him? Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
those two the evidence for being a black man in america is strong.
Racism in America is horrible. It disgusts me. I have family who voted for trump and I can no longer look them in the eyes. Do you experience that in Matt Good Country ? ( I know, not BC )
But concerned citizens should be able to distinguish the significant differences between Chauvin and Potter. Women screaming at us on TV that Potter is a racist murderer is no way for the country to get this right. And defund the police came within 0.00001% of getting trump four more years, when many “experts” mistakenly thought Biden would coast to any easy win. We all want more trump? Accountability for all matters.
The problem with the racism discussion is that it's far too nuanced for just about any setting/medium. Race plays a role that is more than just cops that routinely drop n-bombs and have confederate flags and swastikas in their rec rooms. It's about imbedded biases that lead someone to decide that their life is in danger because "he's black." I don't know anything about Potter but let's assume she didn't have a history of overt racism. Hell, let's assume she voted for Obama and was horrified by Trump. Liberals, too, have these pre-conceived notions and fears that lead them to react poorly in the heat of the moment in the presence of black men.
Lower-hanging fruit - find a way to keep Kyle Rittenhouse and those like him from becoming cops.
Trickier problem - Ridding the culture of biases and systemic racism.
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Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
At what point do you think they were harassing him? Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?
Was it his first time cuffing someone?
I have no idea. But some on here think a trainee shouldn't be cuffing. So when would they learn? And you didnt answer my question, just quote some nonsense. When did they harass them? I never said they needed 6 cops, I asked a simple question.
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
At what point do you think they were harassing him? Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?
Good question. Was Wright being arrested at the time? Or was this one of those situations: "We're gonna cuff you and put you in the cruiser for everyone's safety while we run your info"
People are assuming the cop knew everything about Wright's history. Gun, etc That might not be true. I'm sure they ran the plates as soon as he was pulled over. (not sure if it was his car, or could have been registered to his mom?) But they may not have had his info/DL yet to run background when everything happened.
From what I've read: cuffing someone in front of their open car door is no-no. Cops are trained to bring people around to the back of the vehicle for this. cops f'd this one up, again. and someone died, again.
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Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
At what point do you think they were harassing him? Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?
Good question. Was Wright being arrested at the time? Or was this one of those situations: "We're gonna cuff you and put you in the cruiser for everyone's safety while we run your info"
People are assuming the cop knew everything about Wright's history. Gun, etc That might not be true. I'm sure they ran the plates as soon as he was pulled over. (not sure if it was his car, or could have been registered to his mom?) But they may not have had his info/DL yet to run background when everything happened.
From what I've read: cuffing someone in front of their open car door is no-no. Cops are trained to bring people around to the back of the vehicle for this. cops f'd this one up, again. and someone died, again.
He had a warrant for his arrest. I was under the impression that was why they were arresting him, not that they tried to arrest him, shot him, and later found he had a warrant. So there's nothing to suggest they found all that out later. I've been pulled over before. Takes the cop 5 minutes to come to my window. He's running my plates and name during that time. If he's the registered owner, they had his name before they got his license. So until I hear otherwise, I'm not buying they just arrested him for fun and got lucky he actually had a warrant. But the cop did mess up, no one has disputed that. I'm not going to blame the cops that he resisted, thats on him. But using the gun instead of the taser is 100% on the cop.
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If only all people were afforded kid gloves...I just can’t put my finger on why the cops didn’t act harsher during this actual dangerous confrontation. It’s almost like there is a tiered policing system?
If only all people were afforded kid gloves...I just can’t put my finger on why the cops didn’t act harsher during this actual dangerous confrontation. It’s almost like there is a tiered policing system?
Republican back the bluers use these same kind of examples skewed to their narrative too prove their side too. You're doing the same pigeon holing with the generalization that this guy is only alive or not abused by use of force because he's white. Racism is a problem, but not every incident outcome is determined by race.
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
By meeting halfway, my point was Black leaders need to hold those in their community accountable when they clearly break the law, and not scream nonsense that Wright was racially murdered. But go on and misinterpret since you’ve read all three of my posts about that.
White supremacist dog whistle?? I thought you liked to play by the rules here? Guess not.
Chauvin deserves conviction, Potter does not. That makes me a racist? You forgot what “defund the police” did to downballot democrats last November? Remembering that makes me racist? Good grief.
I’ll join you in breaking the rules here bud, you are out of your mind. Wish you could help me mister.
If at 20, you-
1- illegally carried a gun 2- ran from police (then, not now) 3- ignored an order to appear in court 4- drove illegally without plates (which does put other citizens at risk) 5- forcefully resisted arrest 6- broke free of handcuffs and lunged into your car 7- where you possibly had a gun, see #1
you probably would have served some time in prison in your 20s. Wright Knew there was a chance he was going to prison, that’s why he tried to flee. Because he actually broke the law multiple times.
If being able to identify crimes and tell the difference between Chauvin and Potter makes me a white supremacist, so be it.
So "charged" equates to "guilt" in your mind? Since defendants are typically allowed their day in court, even if they skip/miss their initial court appearance, you can't assume Daunte Wright was guilty or that the charges might have been dropped or plead to a lesser charge. Regardless, all of the offenses, illegal possession of a gun, failure to appear, driving with expired tags (2 to 3 month backlog due to covid) and resisting arrest in the moment were all misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately, a young man is dead and his kid is without a father. For 4 misdemeanors. To the bolded, I don't recall any convictions on his extensive rap sheet.
Did he drive "without plates?" Expired registration or no plates affixed to the vehicle? How does either of those "put other citizens at risk?" What assumption was it that he "possibly had a gun?" from the previous charge? Was one found in his possession before, during or after he was shot? Or any weapon for that matter?
Same old, same old. Cops did no wrong, put the dead person's character on trial and just comply. Potter gets her day in court, probably some free, top notch legal representation, maybe serves two to four years and rides off to retirement. Mr. Wright is dead. "Equal justice under the law," huh?
Wright didn’t appear for a court date. I saw him initiate a physical altercation while getting cuffed with a police officer and try to flee. Those 2 the evidence for guilt is strong. All this while the officer had the words “illegal gun” properly in her memory when she made her terrible error during a physical battle with a suspect. Accountability matters, on all sides. According to the times, probability for a guilt conviction in a cop taser error killing is low based on past incidents.
What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
So, he didn't appear for a court date, its a misdemeanor. As was the original charge. Two of which, in your mind, makes him have a lengthy rap sheet and is a menace to society. "Physical battle?" Is diving away from an officer a "physical battle?" Did he strike either officer with his hands, feet or fists? Is the first response, in police training parlance, when someone resists arrest, to reach for your weapon? Was any kind of weapon found in the car or on Daunte Wright's person?
Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
Ironic saying “original charge” instead of illegal gun carry. And it’s disgusting that it’s only a misdemeanor, but this is a crazy gun loving country. Plates are put on cars to keep us safe. Without them, you can get killed by a motorist and it would be much easier for the perpetrator to get away with it. It takes time and effort to ensure We have legal plates every time we drive. Why should laws designed to keep us safe be disregarded? And let’s add running from police, ignoring a court date, physically battling a cop to evade arrest, and attempting to drive away from a crime scene.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Seems they were very concerned about an illegal gun?
"Illegal gun carry." Charged, not convicted. Did the car "not have plates?" Or was it expired tags? It makes a difference, no? Accountability and all.
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
At what point do you think they were harassing him? Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?
Was it his first time cuffing someone?
I have no idea. But some on here think a trainee shouldn't be cuffing. So when would they learn? And you didnt answer my question, just quote some nonsense. When did they harass them? I never said they needed 6 cops, I asked a simple question.
I never said the cops harassed him, hence why I didn't respond to that. How do the cops know your name by just running the plates? You still think the cops were perfect up until she pulled the trigger? I'm saying they need six cops because apparently three results in a death sentence.
Can we all agree it’s time for cops to be cops instead of the cop, judge, jury, and executioner? Yes the victim was wrong, but that in no way entitles an officer to convict.
I don’t think anyone on the forum is saying the officer is trying to be an executioner. The officer made a brutally poor mistake, lost her career and possibly will serve a few years for manslaughter. If you don’t hear that in her voice on the video, we'll need to agree to disagree.
the victim made a conscious decision to flea arrest, to drive without plates, to ignore a court appointment and an appearance in front of a judge, carry a gun illegally and run from the police. All of these were conscious decisions by the victim at different points in time. Did he deserve to die? of course not, this is a tragedy. But he made six conscious decisions, each of which put his life in more danger.
If democrats and the black community pretend in this case there is nothing to be learned about living within the law and respecting authority, this will turn into a gift to trump and his comrades, just like defund the police was. It is time for all of us to acknowledge when we take risky behavior involving the police, bad accidents can happen.
george floyd did none of those things. he complied and he was murdered.
If I was a black person, I'd be terrified every single time I saw a siren. seriously. do I think they are being hunted? no, but I do believe that police (and the general public) have pre-conceived notions of how a person of a certain skin colour is going to act/react, how much danger they are going to be, etc, and act/react accordingly.
To be clear, I was commenting on Wright, not Floyd. In this case, they didn’t have preconceived notions, they had knowledge of multiple violations of law and a physical altercation initiated by the suspect.
The taser was a terrible accident, the cop did not look down and had every reason to believe the criminal could have a gun in his car and had a split second to react. A horrible accident, but one the victim clearly placed himself in harms way by becoming physical in his attempt to flee arrest
Certain times call for accountability. Potter may serve four years for this horrible accident. If the black community chooses to ignore the rap sheet a young 20 year old was building in short order, they are not going to find the solutions they are hoping for.
This is your third white supremacist post blowing the exact same dogwhistle.
This should be obvious, but it is not on victims to meet their abusers halfway.
If more than half the country thinks as this post lays out, then it deserves another fucking DJT and whatever may come of it.
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that in the US's short, violent history, instances in which minority victims attempted to meet their white abusers halfway have almost never worked out for the minority community in the long run. The white abusers quickly retool their olive branches into switches.
Also, the rap sheet I saw contained two misdemeanors on it. I had plenty more on mine before my 21st birthday, and I continued to resist arrest, flee, etc., whenever confronted by LEOs. I just can't believe my luck!
What do you mean by that in this case? Leading up to the shooting, what did the cops do wrong in this case? Are the police not supposed to arrest someone with an active warrant? Are they supposed to just let him flee without attempting to restrain him? No one is asking him to meet them half way, but the police need to do their jobs. And that includes arresting people with a warrant. I mean, we had a lot of talk recently about being more aggressive with gun laws. Are those gun laws only supposed ot apply to white people? Of course not. So I just don't understand what you meant by the victims are not supposed to meet their abusers half way. Up until the moment she pulled the trigger, what did they do wrong? I see nothing. Had it actually been a taser and not a gun, I'd say the police did everything right. SO what does not meeting them halfway look like, not allowing himself to be arrested?
You see nothing wrong with how three armed cops handled that situation? Wow. Tell me, why was Daunte Wright shot?
You've asked me this question 3 times. I'll answer again. He was shot because the female cop mistook her gun for a taser.
Up until the point he was shot, no I did not see anything wrong with it.
He was pulled over for expired tags - nothing wrong with that His name was ran and found to have a warrant - nothing wrong with that They attempted to arrest him on said warrant - nothing wrong with that He resisted, broke loose and lunged into his car and they attempted to restrain him - nothing wrong with that
Had the cop actually used the taser instead of the gun, I would see nothing wrong with the whole situation. Unfortunately she did, and will likely pay a price. But in the step above, prior to mistaking the gun for a taser, where did the cops go wrong? Where was he mistreated? Where did they expect him to meet half way? Where was he abused? It was a routine stop, and would have been a routine arrest on a lawful had force not been required. Are they not supposed to arrest on gun charges? I thought we wanted to be tough on guns? Or is enforcing gun laws bad now?
So, other than mistaking her gun for a taser, the cops were perfect? There was nothing else they could have done to reduce the odds of escalation, putting themselves at potential risk or the ultimate outcome? Nothing else should have been done or could have been done differently?
I question you on this because you’re the resident policing expert (I use the term lightly, not a slight, maybe because you always take the cops side and explain the malfeasance away, like saying “if they had only complied), having chimed in many times on police tactics and having a brother who is in law enforcement. All of your questions are immaterial as they shouldn’t matter as to why Daunte Wright was shot. Again, you see absolutely nothing wrong with their tactics up until she mistakes her gun for a taser. I see a number of tactical policing errors prior to the moment the victim is shot. A 20 year old string bean of a kid and 3 armed cops escalate to tasing/shooting when threatened with fleeing the scene?
Yes, gun laws should be enforced. Yes, drivers should be pulled over for expired tags. Yes, being detained/arrested for an outstanding warrant is okay. Daunte Wright was abused the moment he was shot. And being pulled over for expired tags and being detained for, and arrested for, outstanding misdemeanors shouldn’t result in death.
Was a gun found in the car or on Mr. Wright’s person? So a prior arrest or charge for a gun crime makes you guilty of possessing a firearm every time you get pulled over and have your name run?
Well, you do mean it as a slight, but thats okay. And I don't always take the cop's side. I haven't defended Chauvan. I haven't defended this girl other than saying I believe it was an accident, but that she should still have a consequence. Cops can never win with some people. Its "why didn't they restrain him more" or "thats abuse!" when they do. From the video I saw they were calm when placing him under arrest. He broke free and lunged into his car. This whole incident lasted under 5 seconds. And yeah, I'm okay with 3 kops using a taser when they are unable to get restraints on for an arrest warrant and he lunges inside a car. What should they do, just ask nicely and hope this guy with a warrant for gun charges is just going to lunge into his car and then change his mind to come out and be arrested? I really am curious what your solution is. I give you the female bad a terrible mistake, and that is on her. But what do you want them to do when he breaks out of the cuffs and lunges in his car? What should be the next steps if restraints have failed and a taser is too much? Keep asking nicely until he peels off and drives away?
Nice way to refer to a 48 year old woman who's served 26 years in law enforcement, by the way. Still think it was just an accident? No poor training, no cop fuck ups, all good? Until "the girl" pulled the trigger?
If only all people were afforded kid gloves...I just can’t put my finger on why the cops didn’t act harsher during this actual dangerous confrontation. It’s almost like there is a tiered policing system?
Republican back the bluers use these same kind of examples skewed to their narrative too prove their side too. You're doing the same pigeon holing with the generalization that this guy is only alive or not abused by use of force because he's white. Racism is a problem, but not every incident outcome is determined by race.
So there isn’t a two tiered racist justice system in America?
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I also looked it up, in my state you can be arrested for no insurance. But says it is unlikely if it is your first time without incident. Arrests usually come with repeat offenders or if you were involved in an accident. I don't know what the data is so I can't comment, but was just mentioning it would be worth knowing the non-insured difference between races if you're going to compare that data. It would make the point a whole lot stronger if the uninsured rate was the same while on the other hand make that stat completely useless if there was a large difference. Its worth knowing is all I was saying, and I don't know what it is.
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What is remarkable is Chauvin, who deserves prison IMO , may get his potential conviction set aside on appeal bc his judge did not sequester the jury. In this climate, low chance Potter gets an impartial jury
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Some on here claim the cops did everything right, right up until she fired her gun, "thinking" it was a taser. And some on here want to lay all the blame on the dead victim. Did any of the officers sustain injuries in the "physical battle?" Cops with guns drawn, wearing body armor, carrying mace and a taser as well, three against one and they own no responsibility for the outcome until she pulls the trigger?
What "risks were other citizens put at" because of no tags or expired tags? Accountability?
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But concerned citizens should be able to distinguish the significant differences between Chauvin and Potter. Women screaming at us on TV that Potter is a racist murderer is no way for the country to get this right. And defund the police came within 0.00001% of getting trump four more years, when many “experts” mistakenly thought Biden would coast to any easy win. We all want more trump? Accountability for all matters.
Three against one? Clearly three was not enough.You check out how carefully the cop on the passenger side, with all due respect to Jeff Tweedy, was looking inside the car?
Did they not have his license and registration in hand? Did they not know where he lived or could be found? Who's Jeff Tweedy? And if they were so fucking worried about a gun in the car, why did they leave it running, with the door open, a passenger potentially sitting on it and try to arrest Daunte Wright in the open door? They we're really afraid then, right? Or negligent bordering on lazy incompetence?
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Right? During a training stop!
"Let's harass scrawny kid and let the rookie cuff him for practice."
Are rookies not supposed to cuff, especially while on training? Seems to make the most sense to let the trainee cuff while the training officer is there to give feedback, would you want him cuffing someone for the first time on his own?
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The problem with the racism discussion is that it's far too nuanced for just about any setting/medium. Race plays a role that is more than just cops that routinely drop n-bombs and have confederate flags and swastikas in their rec rooms. It's about imbedded biases that lead someone to decide that their life is in danger because "he's black." I don't know anything about Potter but let's assume she didn't have a history of overt racism. Hell, let's assume she voted for Obama and was horrified by Trump. Liberals, too, have these pre-conceived notions and fears that lead them to react poorly in the heat of the moment in the presence of black men.
Lower-hanging fruit - find a way to keep Kyle Rittenhouse and those like him from becoming cops.
Trickier problem - Ridding the culture of biases and systemic racism.
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And you didnt answer my question, just quote some nonsense. When did they harass them? I never said they needed 6 cops, I asked a simple question.
Good question. Was Wright being arrested at the time?
Or was this one of those situations: "We're gonna cuff you and put you in the cruiser for everyone's safety while we run your info"
People are assuming the cop knew everything about Wright's history. Gun, etc
That might not be true. I'm sure they ran the plates as soon as he was pulled over. (not sure if it was his car, or could have been registered to his mom?)
But they may not have had his info/DL yet to run background when everything happened.
From what I've read: cuffing someone in front of their open car door is no-no. Cops are trained to bring people around to the back of the vehicle for this. cops f'd this one up, again. and someone died, again.
I've been pulled over before. Takes the cop 5 minutes to come to my window. He's running my plates and name during that time. If he's the registered owner, they had his name before they got his license. So until I hear otherwise, I'm not buying they just arrested him for fun and got lucky he actually had a warrant.
But the cop did mess up, no one has disputed that. I'm not going to blame the cops that he resisted, thats on him. But using the gun instead of the taser is 100% on the cop.
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