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I'm so sad that a child has to feel this way (black, white, whatever)mlcoon23 said:So my daughter asked me this today. “If there is a break in do I call the police, and if so should I tell them two of my brothers are black?” Fucked up world...
She should tell them about her brothers if she ever needs to contact the police because it's going to keep happening.0 -
What's happening isn't some political operation or corporate think tank scheme, it's an emotional outpouring from a people who live near their breaking point...And some shitheads who just want to cause trouble, they can always be counted on to latch onto any volatile situation.nicknyr15 said:
Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok.tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
It's the same as the situation that has occurred in Palestine and untold numbers of oppressed populations. Looking for logical sense in it and shaking your head disdainfully when you don't find it is just a masturbatory exercise in failing to recognize the privilege of your perspective.
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I didn't say you don't get to have an opinion, I just said your opinion is just about worthless lolnicknyr15 said:
Ok cool. So I guess as a white guy I can’t have an opinion on this unless I’m out there protesting. Thankfully I can still have an opinion on the new Pearl Jam album, as a white guy. A lot of things make me angry. You know nothing about me. As angry as I’ve been I’ve never shown extreme violence towards the problem.rgambs said:
His point is valid, though, and that point is that it's real easy to put it all on equal terms of "not OK" when you haven't had to live in fear and anger for your entire life.nicknyr15 said:
Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok.tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
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I don't understand why you would bring that up in the context of this conversation, twice. I don't see the correlation, doesn't make sense to me.nicknyr15 said:
No. But it’s happened here in NY. And it could happen again.dignin said:
Did a black protester execute a cop yesterday? What am I missing?nicknyr15 said:
Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok.tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
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You don’t know my perspective. You don’t know if I’ve been to jail, arrested. Who I grew up with. How I grew up. You know nothing. You assume based on the color of my skin and my gender that’s it’s all good and smooth. What’s that called again?rgambs said:
What's happening isn't some political operation or corporate think tank scheme, it's an emotional outpouring from a people who live near their breaking point...And some shitheads who just want to cause trouble, they can always be counted on to latch onto any volatile situation.nicknyr15 said:
Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok.tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
It's the same as the situation that has occurred in Palestine and untold numbers of oppressed populations. Looking for logical sense in it and shaking your head disdainfully when you don't find it is just a masturbatory exercise in failing to recognize the privilege of your perspective.0 -
And what makes your opinion not worthless?rgambs said:
I didn't say you don't get to have an opinion, I just said your opinion is just about worthless lolnicknyr15 said:
Ok cool. So I guess as a white guy I can’t have an opinion on this unless I’m out there protesting. Thankfully I can still have an opinion on the new Pearl Jam album, as a white guy. A lot of things make me angry. You know nothing about me. As angry as I’ve been I’ve never shown extreme violence towards the problem.rgambs said:
His point is valid, though, and that point is that it's real easy to put it all on equal terms of "not OK" when you haven't had to live in fear and anger for your entire life.nicknyr15 said:
Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok.tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.0 -
No, I don't judge based off those things, I judge your opinion on it's own merit, and it's an uninformed opinion and it's weak. The logic only follows from there that it's born of privilege.nicknyr15 said:
You don’t know my perspective. You don’t know if I’ve been to jail, arrested. Who I grew up with. How I grew up. You know nothing. You assume based on the color of my skin and my gender that’s it’s all good and smooth. What’s that called again?rgambs said:
What's happening isn't some political operation or corporate think tank scheme, it's an emotional outpouring from a people who live near their breaking point...And some shitheads who just want to cause trouble, they can always be counted on to latch onto any volatile situation.nicknyr15 said:
Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok.tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
It's the same as the situation that has occurred in Palestine and untold numbers of oppressed populations. Looking for logical sense in it and shaking your head disdainfully when you don't find it is just a masturbatory exercise in failing to recognize the privilege of your perspective.
"Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. ... But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. [Martin Luther King Jr., "The Other America"]
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The virtue of it's strength.nicknyr15 said:
And what makes your opinion not worthless?rgambs said:
I didn't say you don't get to have an opinion, I just said your opinion is just about worthless lolnicknyr15 said:
Ok cool. So I guess as a white guy I can’t have an opinion on this unless I’m out there protesting. Thankfully I can still have an opinion on the new Pearl Jam album, as a white guy. A lot of things make me angry. You know nothing about me. As angry as I’ve been I’ve never shown extreme violence towards the problem.rgambs said:
His point is valid, though, and that point is that it's real easy to put it all on equal terms of "not OK" when you haven't had to live in fear and anger for your entire life.nicknyr15 said:
Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok.tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
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I was preemptively addressing the most likely disagreement with my statement that as a white male he speaks from a position of privilege.Ledbetterman10 said:
How is he ragging on you by saying he thinks both the cop and the rioters are wrong?tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
As for the riots, I can't blame them. If I was black, I'd probably want to burn down the city too when this sort of thing happens. It's horrible for business owners that don't deserve to have their livelihoods destroyed. But as far as them setting the police station on fire? Oh well. Maybe if they at least arrested the officer, the riots wouldn't have happened.....
Or at least wouldn't happen on this scale. Let's be real, there are some people that don't care one way or another about Floyd's murder, they just look at this as an opportunity to loot. And again, I can't really say I blame them. It's hard to tell legitimately angry people exactly HOW they should be angry. Should you tell a looter who's lighting Target on fire that he'd be better off writing to his local congressman about police brutality? Obviously that doesn't work.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
I don't condone any death or violence, however I agreed with the police station fire rather than destroying businesses of those not involved. And go ahead and tell me how awful that sounds but some of you have no idea unless you've walked in their shoes or spent 27 years listening to what they've dealt with. My husband worked in two maximum security prisons (these opinions do not include pedafiles) and the bottom line in all this is respect. My husband never had any issues because he treated his job as a job, not assuming he was the judge and jury, and found from the very beginning in Philadelphia that respect between two humans is the answer. We have no right to judge others, that's for higher beings to decide when people leave this earth. My husband would tell you that he would trust a convict before a cop. In fact, he was instrumental in having a lifers sentence reduced to time served (30 years overturning a life sentence) because the CHILD was convicted at age 15 for a life sentence after robbing someone for food for his younger siblings (no father and mother was a drug addict). He was the most respectful person my husband ever met and helped young men just entering the system to understand how to handle themselves properly in prison, how to behave. I could tell you countless incidents involving the good, kind behavior of convicted fellons. As someone said, unless you've walked in their shoes, lived their lives as children and dealt with prejudice your entire life you should try to at least understand.
Unfortunately, the only recourse left is violence because so far nothing works for these people. Same problem with school shootings....we talk and talk and talk and NOTHING gets done. The man was subdued so the officers job was completed. The four of them should be convicted of murder. Someone should have stepped in (kicked the cop in the head) rather than standing around and watching. Those who do and say nothing are just as quilty.
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So apparently, the cop and Floyd had worked together as security guards. I wonder if there were any personal issues between them that might have led to the cop to have it out for him....
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cblock4life said:I don't condone any death or violence, however I agreed with the police station fire rather than destroying businesses of those not involved. And go ahead and tell me how awful that sounds but some of you have no idea unless you've walked in their shoes or spent 27 years listening to what they've dealt with. My husband worked in two maximum security prisons (these opinions do not include pedafiles) and the bottom line in all this is respect. My husband never had any issues because he treated his job as a job, not assuming he was the judge and jury, and found from the very beginning in Philadelphia that respect between two humans is the answer. We have no right to judge others, that's for higher beings to decide when people leave this earth. My husband would tell you that he would trust a convict before a cop. In fact, he was instrumental in having a lifers sentence reduced to time served (30 years overturning a life sentence) because the CHILD was convicted at age 15 for a life sentence after robbing someone for food for his younger siblings (no father and mother was a drug addict). He was the most respectful person my husband ever met and helped young men just entering the system to understand how to handle themselves properly in prison, how to behave. I could tell you countless incidents involving the good, kind behavior of convicted fellons. As someone said, unless you've walked in their shoes, lived their lives as children and dealt with prejudice your entire life you should try to at least understand.
Unfortunately, the only recourse left is violence because so far nothing works for these people. Same problem with school shootings....we talk and talk and talk and NOTHING gets done. The man was subdued so the officers job was completed. The four of them should be convicted of murder. Someone should have stepped in (kicked the cop in the head) rather than standing around and watching. Those who do and say nothing are just as quilty.It's hard to "officially" condone this but I get it and I appreciate where you're coming from. What's it like to know you can go just about anywhere and have a cop beat or kill you for no reason? And legal channels haven't worked for centuries. Why would they work now. Right now Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman appears to be dragging his feet (looking for a rationale?). Why? And this murder differs from a 1950s lynching in one way: smart phones. Without it being recorded, nothing ever comes of this. The lynching a few months ago in Georgia? The DA buried it. The police didn't pursue it when they saw the tape. They pursued it when WE saw the tape.(I also appreciate some of the rest of what you say and my philosophies on criminal justice, particularly how we treat the people that are going to one day get out, have changed quite a bit. "Three hots and a cot" isn't working)
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Yeah, The good Dr's quotes are nice but there isn't a leader among Minneapolis to be leading the people so we can take quotes and post em all day long.rgambs said:
No, I don't judge based off those things, I judge your opinion on it's own merit, and it's an uninformed opinion and it's weak. The logic only follows from there that it's born of privilege.nicknyr15 said:
You don’t know my perspective. You don’t know if I’ve been to jail, arrested. Who I grew up with. How I grew up. You know nothing. You assume based on the color of my skin and my gender that’s it’s all good and smooth. What’s that called again?rgambs said:
What's happening isn't some political operation or corporate think tank scheme, it's an emotional outpouring from a people who live near their breaking point...And some shitheads who just want to cause trouble, they can always be counted on to latch onto any volatile situation.nicknyr15 said:
Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok.tbergs said:
Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?nicknyr15 said:
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , losetbergs said:
It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
It's the same as the situation that has occurred in Palestine and untold numbers of oppressed populations. Looking for logical sense in it and shaking your head disdainfully when you don't find it is just a masturbatory exercise in failing to recognize the privilege of your perspective.
"Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. ... But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. [Martin Luther King Jr., "The Other America"]0 -
What in the actual fuck is happening to parts of this country?
CNN Reporters Arrested For Covering Protests in Minnesota
A crew of CNN reporters were arrested early Friday morning in Minneapolis for … well, it’s not totally clear.
Correspondent Omar Jimenez, producer Bill Kirkos, and camera operator Leonel Mendez were taken into custody by Minnesota State Police while reporting on street closures that followed a night of protests over the death of George Floyd. The period prior to the arrests and the arrests themselves were broadcast live on the network.
As seen in the video, Jimenez clearly states to law enforcement that the crew will comply with any directions. “Put us back where you want us,” Jimenez says. “We are getting out of your way. Just let us know. Wherever you want us, we will go.”
Jimenez then described the scene before he is told he is being put under arrest and his hands are zip-tied behind his back. He asks why he is being arrested to no apparent response, after which he is led away and Kirkos and Mendez are arrested.
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Bingo , how can I understand what a black person goes through everyday if I don’t walk in a black man’s shoes! Facttbergs said:
If you haven't been a black male in America for the last 50 years can you really understand when enough is enough? It's not just the officer or officers in this one incident, it's an entire system that continues to fail minorities in general.tempo_n_groove said:I'll ask a question.
If the 4 officers get arrested, is there civil unrest in Minneapolis?
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"There's other evidence that doesn't support a criminal charge."
Please, dude. You can definitely charge him with at least involuntary manslaughter. Charge him, and let the court decide if he's guilty or not.
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White people riot and vandalize and loot because their sports team lost, and almost nothing is done about it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
Black people riot and vandalize and loot because their people are being murdered by police on video, and people use it as an excuse why cops treat black people this way.
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Well Halifax did mention the gal killed by a police beanbag during the boston riot of 2004.HughFreakingDillon said:
White people riot and vandalize and loot because their sports team lost, and almost nothing is done about it.nicknyr15 said:So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point.
Black people riot and vandalize and loot because their people are being murdered by police on video, and people use it as an excuse why cops treat black people this way.
interesting.
I never see "nothing happening" by the cops during white riots, are we calling them this now? White riots?
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If the a cop can get charged for the death of Eric Garner, which I disagreed with then this cop(s) can be charged for this too.Ledbetterman10 said:"There's other evidence that doesn't support a criminal charge."
Please, dude. You can definitely charge him with at least involuntary manslaughter. Charge him, and let the court decide if he's guilty or not.0
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