Police abuse

mlcoon23 said:

So my daughter asked me this today. “If there is a break in do I call the police, and if so should I tell them two of my brothers are black?” Fucked up world...

Smart girl.  It's never been wise for people of color to call the police unless they really, really need emergency help.  Sad, but true.

So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point. 

tempo_n_groove said:

I'll ask a question.

If the 4 officers get arrested, is there civil unrest in Minneapolis?

I'll add to that, should there be either way?

If you haven't been a black male in America for the last 50 years can you really understand when enough is enough? It's not just the officer or officers in this one incident, it's an entire system that continues to fail minorities in general.

tempo_n_groove said:

Parksy said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

They said it was for the black man,

They said it was for the mexican

And not for the white man

But if you look at the streets

It wasn't about George Floyd

It's bout this fucked up situation and these fucked up police

It's about coming up

And staying on top

And screamin' 187 on a mother fuckin' cop

https://youtu.be/4ttchToDa7Y

I don't condone killing cops ever so I never did like that 187 line...  Also If you were in LA during the actual riots you weren't in the thick of it because you would have been Reginald Dennied for being white so another line form that song besides the wrong date that I wondered if it was embellished or he was out in the desert committing crimes?

I'm not sure he meant "kill cops" as opposed to "that cop killed someone." 

No, 187 on a muthafuckin cop means a homicide on an officer.  They took that line from the Dre song.  

Ahhhh  I always thought it meant accuse a cop of homicide.  

nicknyr15 said:

So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point. 

I don't disagree that the unrest and violence is awful.  That said... do peaceful protests work?  Me thinks not. The 'right' to peaceful assembly (which in Canada is basically our right to protest) means very little.  I would argue that the longer politicians and businesses fail to listen to peaceful protests, it's only going to make things worse. 

We had a similar story in Canada where Indigenous people blocked rail lines causing economic problems across the country. It wasn't violent, but it also wasn't legal.  It got people paying attention though. My fear was that if people were willing to start causing that kind of damage... if what they thought they were fighting for was worth it, they may escalate even further. <- that's something I think America should be thinking about as well with regards to the BLM movement. It's like a volcano. How many more George Floyd's before people start getting organized? 

Speaking of Canada... I'm interested in seeing a potential backlash in the USA similar to what took place in Toronto during the G8 summit.  Protests got out of hand on night one... people torched police cars.  The next day, cops weren't having ANY of that and illegally detained a bunch of folks and arrested a bunch, etc.  Liberties and rights were thrown out the window and to me it showed just how fragile and ineffective our policing was at the time. I interpreted it as an entire police organization pushing back in a vengeful and illegal way. 

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point. 

It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , lose 

Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?

Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok. 

Did a black protester execute a cop yesterday? What am I missing?

dignin said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point. 

It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , lose 

Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?

Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok. 

Did a black protester execute a cop yesterday? What am I missing?

No. But it’s happened here in NY. And it could happen again. 

rgambs said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

tbergs said:

nicknyr15 said:

So much for non violent, peaceful protests. This whole situation is fucking disgraceful. From the cop straight to the idiots who have to break the law and vandalize. Way to prove a point. 

It is terrible for sure, but when the same thing continues to happen year after year all over the country, there is a tipping point where people will resort to violence because quietly protesting hasn't resulted in the change required. Imagine if nationwide riots erupted after events like Sandy Hook or Parkland? People get fed up, especially in a time of quarantine and unemployment and then you throw this on top of it.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Setting fire to a police station , walking up to an officer and executing them (no protests for that) , will not make any positive difference. It will only make things worse. There absolutely no excuse for the behavior from the cop or these violent rioters. It’s lose , lose 

Rag on me for this all you want, but that's an easy thing to say as a white male. When has the system ever not been in your favor?

Oh please. What does this have to do with what I said? It’s ok to execute a cop as a black male? Or set fire to a precinct? You said quietly protesting hasn’t worked. I’m saying whatever the fuck is happening there now isn’t going to work either. In fact, it will make things worse because I’m sure cops feel like they have a target on their back. Which will make them more violent and jumpy. None of this is ok. 

His point is valid, though, and that point is that it's real easy to put it all on equal terms of "not OK" when you haven't had to live in fear and anger for your entire life.

Ok cool. So I guess as a white guy I can’t have an opinion on this unless I’m out there protesting. Thankfully I can still have an opinion on the new Pearl Jam album, as a white guy. A lot of things make me angry. You know nothing about me. As angry as I’ve been I’ve never shown extreme violence towards the problem.