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But it's paid largely by Canadian tax dollars. While there isn't a designated "healthcare tax," the latest data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) in 2017 found that on average a Canadian spends $6,604 in taxes for healthcare coverage. It's important to note that number changes depending on income. People with higher incomes pay higher taxes, which ends up covering families who earn less.
This is considered to be on the higher end for what other advanced economies pay, like the UK or Australia. Americans, though, spend more than $10,000 per person on healthcare in total, on average.
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I'm sitting this one out
It matters but only by providing power to the person/party it goes towards. What they choose to do with that power is left for them and all of the other suits to decide (pantsuits included), not the voter. I can respect that you partake in that gamble, but it is not for me and I do not think they give one shit about what you or I think.The Juggler said:
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.JW269453 said:
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
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Popular opinion in normal times...however these are anything but normal times.JW269453 said:
It matters but only by providing power to the person/party it goes towards. What they choose to do with that power is left for them and all of the other suits to decide (pantsuits included), not the voter. I can respect that you partake in that gamble, but it is not for me and I do not think they give one shit about what you or I think.The Juggler said:
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.JW269453 said:
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
Hard time imagine what's in the head of folks who can't recognize that fact.www.myspace.com0 -
BidenWe can all be mad at the system (and justifiably so) and still vote for Biden because it's going to be Biden or Trump, take your pick. If you vote for Trump or are pro-Democrat and decide in protest not to vote, you are increasing the chances of a second Trump term and you relinquish the right to complain about having that second term become a reality and all the negative consequences that would be associated with it. That is just a simple fact. Whatever anyone decides to do, they need to own it.And I'm just stating the facts. I'm not trying to berate, bate, badger, or troll. I'm just stating the facts."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Some posters insist the Tara Reade’s allegations haven’t been in the news or haven’t been given much press. The NYT, WaPo, Faux News, WSJ, USA Today, The Guardian and CNN have all reported on it. It this weren’t true, how would I know the following:
1. The allegation was first picked up by a Pakistani news organization from an after mid night pod cast where Tara claimed she has, “been trying to tell her story since 1993.”
2. That The Guardian reported that in a Commentary that Tara has been, “trying to tell her story for the past year.” Which is it?
3. The WaPo reported that her brother called or texted the reporter the following day after initially interviewing him that while he remembered his sister telling him about the inappropriate touching, nice legs comment and wanting her to serve cocktails, he just remembered that she also mentioned the alleged sexual assault. Wouldn’t you remember the latter before the former?
4. Also in The Guardian commentary, Tara claimed she, “had no intention of filing a civil suit.” Why is that?
5. The NYT and WaPo reported that Tara recently filed a police report with the DC police but did not name Sleepy Woke Joe as the perpetrator but rather Sleepy Woke Joe is identified as Person #1. Why is that?
6. Tara remembers what she was wearing that day but she doesn’t remember where in the Senate or Capitol complex she delivered the duffle bag to or the area where the alleged assault took place other than to say, “a semi-private area.” Anyone here work on Capitol Hill in 1993 and be familiar with the Capitol Buildings, the security, access requirements, who’s allowed or authorized to go where, through which doors, elevators, etc? The Capitol Police staff that occupy security check points? Or the number of people that are typically around when the Senate or Congress is in session?
7. Tara has claimed that she filed a complaint with the Senate HR Office and Sleepy Woke Joe’s Chief of Staff. Therefore, wouldn’t there be a paper trail or someone from that office who would remember such a horrible allegation? Both of which could be compelled into evidence via a subpoena? Sleepy Woke Joe’s staff has already vigorously denied the allegation.
8. Sleepy Woke Joe ran for the senate twice after the alleged incident, once for POTUS and twice for VP. Not a peep about the sexual assault allegations. From Tara or any other source prior to now. Odd, don’t you think?
9. As someone else said and as Tara said, “she didn’t pursue it out of ‘respect’ for her former boss.” Odd thing to say if you were sexually assaulted, no?
I wish Tara would file a civil suit so that all the potential evidence could be gathered and all of the potential witnesses deposed. For Tara’s sake, for Sleepy Woke Joe’s reputation, or not, as the case may be, and for the voters of this nation to make an informed decision. Tara has the power and the legal means to seek justice. Is that too much to ask? Particularly in light of Ford testifying in the Kavanaugh hearings?
So much for it not being reported on.
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I'm sitting this one out
It is my opinion at any given time. Biden could be the greatest president ever, he could also be worse than trump. A gamble is a gamble, doesn't matter what the situation is.The Juggler said:
Popular opinion in normal times...however these are anything but normal times.JW269453 said:
It matters but only by providing power to the person/party it goes towards. What they choose to do with that power is left for them and all of the other suits to decide (pantsuits included), not the voter. I can respect that you partake in that gamble, but it is not for me and I do not think they give one shit about what you or I think.The Juggler said:
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.JW269453 said:
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
Hard time imagine what's in the head of folks who can't recognize that fact.
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A gamble is a gamble but the odds can vary significantly given the circumstances. These are not normal times...JW269453 said:
It is my opinion at any given time. Biden could be the greatest president ever, he could also be worse than trump. A gamble is a gamble, doesn't matter what the situation is.The Juggler said:
Popular opinion in normal times...however these are anything but normal times.JW269453 said:
It matters but only by providing power to the person/party it goes towards. What they choose to do with that power is left for them and all of the other suits to decide (pantsuits included), not the voter. I can respect that you partake in that gamble, but it is not for me and I do not think they give one shit about what you or I think.The Juggler said:
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.JW269453 said:
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
Hard time imagine what's in the head of folks who can't recognize that fact.
Trust me, I've voted third party in the past. Wouldn't even consider it in '16 and this year as well. Entirely too much is at stake.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
Seems like voting voting Biden is the logical option for you then. Voting D obviously gets the country closer to where you want it to be. It may not be the perfect option, but it's a compromise. And that's what our government is built on.pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.0 -
I'm sitting this one out
I only picked sitting out because there was no Libertarian option. If Amash runs and gets the nomination, easy one for me. If it's Jim Gray, I'd vote for him but not be terribly passionate. The rest of the field is no bueno and I'm back to sitting out.CM189191 said:
Seems like voting voting Biden is the logical option for you then. Voting D obviously gets the country closer to where you want it to be. It may not be the perfect option, but it's a compromise. And that's what our government is built on.pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.0 -
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I only picked sitting out because there was no Libertarian option. If Amash runs and gets the nomination, easy one for me. If it's Jim Gray, I'd vote for him but not be terribly passionate. The rest of the field is no bueno and I'm back to sitting out.CM189191 said:
Seems like voting voting Biden is the logical option for you then. Voting D obviously gets the country closer to where you want it to be. It may not be the perfect option, but it's a compromise. And that's what our government is built on.pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
The US government is a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. We are not a multi-party system. Voting libertarian represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how our government functions.0 -
I'm sitting this one out
I should have listened to @JW269453CM189191 said:
🙄pjl44 said:
I only picked sitting out because there was no Libertarian option. If Amash runs and gets the nomination, easy one for me. If it's Jim Gray, I'd vote for him but not be terribly passionate. The rest of the field is no bueno and I'm back to sitting out.CM189191 said:
Seems like voting voting Biden is the logical option for you then. Voting D obviously gets the country closer to where you want it to be. It may not be the perfect option, but it's a compromise. And that's what our government is built on.pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
The US government is a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. We are not a multi-party system. Voting libertarian represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how our government functions.0 -
I'm sitting this one outBut at least we arrived at that familiar destination in a calm and reasonable fashion0
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It is my opinion at any given time. Biden could be the greatest president ever, he could also be worse than trump. A gamble is a gamble, doesn't matter what the situation is.The Juggler said:
Popular opinion in normal times...however these are anything but normal times.JW269453 said:
Hard time imagine what's in the head of folks who can't recognize that fact.Biden worse than Trump? I can't even imagine that on a fictional level. I'm having a hard time picturing anyone being a worse president than trump.Well, OK, maybe this guy:
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BidenMy notion of knowing that it were true
Would pretty much need Shaggy and Scooby Doo to pull the mask off of Biden and reveal Eric or Don Jr. or Jared for Biden to be a worse president than Trump.JW269453 said:
It is my opinion at any given time. Biden could be the greatest president ever, he could also be worse than trump. A gamble is a gamble, doesn't matter what the situation is.The Juggler said:
Popular opinion in normal times...however these are anything but normal times.JW269453 said:
It matters but only by providing power to the person/party it goes towards. What they choose to do with that power is left for them and all of the other suits to decide (pantsuits included), not the voter. I can respect that you partake in that gamble, but it is not for me and I do not think they give one shit about what you or I think.The Juggler said:
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.JW269453 said:
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
Hard time imagine what's in the head of folks who can't recognize that fact.
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I’ve tried before. I’m starting to think he’s on the Biden campaign payroll.pjl44 said:
I should have listened to @JW269453CM189191 said:
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I only picked sitting out because there was no Libertarian option. If Amash runs and gets the nomination, easy one for me. If it's Jim Gray, I'd vote for him but not be terribly passionate. The rest of the field is no bueno and I'm back to sitting out.CM189191 said:
Seems like voting voting Biden is the logical option for you then. Voting D obviously gets the country closer to where you want it to be. It may not be the perfect option, but it's a compromise. And that's what our government is built on.pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
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It is my opinion at any given time. Biden could be the greatest president ever, he could also be worse than trump. A gamble is a gamble, doesn't matter what the situation is.The Juggler said:
Popular opinion in normal times...however these are anything but normal times.JW269453 said:
Hard time imagine what's in the head of folks who can't recognize that fact.Biden worse than Trump? I can't even imagine that on a fictional level. I'm having a hard time picturing anyone being a worse president than trump.Well, OK, maybe this guy:0 -
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Rut-rohJimmyV said:My notion of knowing that it were true
Would pretty much need Shaggy and Scooby Doo to pull the mask off of Biden and reveal Eric or Don Jr. or Jared for Biden to be a worse president than Trump.JW269453 said:
It is my opinion at any given time. Biden could be the greatest president ever, he could also be worse than trump. A gamble is a gamble, doesn't matter what the situation is.The Juggler said:
Popular opinion in normal times...however these are anything but normal times.JW269453 said:
It matters but only by providing power to the person/party it goes towards. What they choose to do with that power is left for them and all of the other suits to decide (pantsuits included), not the voter. I can respect that you partake in that gamble, but it is not for me and I do not think they give one shit about what you or I think.The Juggler said:
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.JW269453 said:
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
Hard time imagine what's in the head of folks who can't recognize that fact.0 -
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Would pretty much need Shaggy and Scooby Doo to pull the mask off of Biden and reveal Eric or Don Jr. or Jared for Biden to be a worse president than Trump.JW269453 said:
It is my opinion at any given time. Biden could be the greatest president ever, he could also be worse than trump. A gamble is a gamble, doesn't matter what the situation is.The Juggler said:
Popular opinion in normal times...however these are anything but normal times.JW269453 said:
It matters but only by providing power to the person/party it goes towards. What they choose to do with that power is left for them and all of the other suits to decide (pantsuits included), not the voter. I can respect that you partake in that gamble, but it is not for me and I do not think they give one shit about what you or I think.The Juggler said:
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.JW269453 said:
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
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