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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    good thing they are responsible white guys.

    every one of those motherfuckers need to be arrested. they had a direct impact on the outcome of the michigan vote to not extend the stay at home order.

    why did this happen? because they have fucking guns, and with those guns they are a threat to the democratic process.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    good thing they are responsible white guys.

    every one of those motherfuckers need to be arrested. they had a direct impact on the outcome of the michigan vote to not extend the stay at home order.

    why did this happen? because they have fucking guns, and with those guns they are a threat to the democratic process.
    Apparently it's completely legal but what a bunch of total assholes. I'd say it's counterproductive to whatever they're protesting, but this can't be about anything other than starting shit.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    good thing they are responsible white guys.

    every one of those motherfuckers need to be arrested. they had a direct impact on the outcome of the michigan vote to not extend the stay at home order.

    why did this happen? because they have fucking guns, and with those guns they are a threat to the democratic process.
    Apparently it's completely legal but what a bunch of total assholes. I'd say it's counterproductive to whatever they're protesting, but this can't be about anything other than starting shit.
    well it was an effective means to an end. if they had gone in unarmed they would have ended up like many of us did, gassed and arrested.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    Reason will disappoint me greatly but also impress me.  Their writers span the spectrum of alleged Libertarians.  Several are just Republicans.  While in the comments they are accused of being Democrats by the readers, I don't see them espousing left of center policy.  It's only the criticism of Trump that gets the readers fired up. 
    What sort of left of center policy would you like to see them espousing?
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    good thing they are responsible white guys.

    every one of those motherfuckers need to be arrested. they had a direct impact on the outcome of the michigan vote to not extend the stay at home order.

    why did this happen? because they have fucking guns, and with those guns they are a threat to the democratic process.
    Apparently it's completely legal but what a bunch of total assholes. I'd say it's counterproductive to whatever they're protesting, but this can't be about anything other than starting shit.
    ...no social distancing at all....these guys have a fundamental lack of understanding of how epidemiology works...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Reason will disappoint me greatly but also impress me.  Their writers span the spectrum of alleged Libertarians.  Several are just Republicans.  While in the comments they are accused of being Democrats by the readers, I don't see them espousing left of center policy.  It's only the criticism of Trump that gets the readers fired up. 
    What sort of left of center policy would you like to see them espousing?
    None in particular.  I'm saying that they are accused of being Ds in the comments if there is any Trump criticism.  
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    some of the lawmakers were wearing bullet proof vests. tell me that the armed men were not messing with the process.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    CM189191 said:
    Libertarians have invaded the Michigan State House



    Good thing they're not Native Americans protesting a pipeline running through their backyard; otherwise they'd get the rubber bullets, water hoses and police dog treatment.
    Remember when Ronald Reagan and the NRA started gun control as we know it because the Black Panthers an actual oppressed minority group used their 2a rights in the state Capitol to protest police injustice?  Maybe the Republicans and their new messiah and the NRA could jump on the gun control train one more time and take away the rights of these ignorant morons.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    Biden
     Gun rights are definitely not equal rights.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Biden
    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/495548-biden-to-join-msnbcs-morning-joe-to-discuss-reade-sexual-assault-allegations
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    Biden
    Ugh...
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Reason will disappoint me greatly but also impress me.  Their writers span the spectrum of alleged Libertarians.  Several are just Republicans.  While in the comments they are accused of being Democrats by the readers, I don't see them espousing left of center policy.  It's only the criticism of Trump that gets the readers fired up. 
    What sort of left of center policy would you like to see them espousing?
    None in particular.  I'm saying that they are accused of being Ds in the comments if there is any Trump criticism.  
    Oh, now I see what you're saying. Yeah, I don't know what people expect. They've been pretty consistent as long as I've been reading them.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    some of the lawmakers were wearing bullet proof vests. tell me that the armed men were not messing with the process.
    There is no reason to do that other than intimidation. And I'm a gun rights guy.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JimmyV said:
     Gun rights are definitely not equal rights.
    Structural racism exemplified
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Anyone else think these protests are a dry run for November? 





  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    dignin said:
    I wish I lived in a world where nobody cared what was trending on twitter. It's a cesspool.

    I had a twitter account for about a month.  It got nauseating so I dumped it.

    Not a bad move. Twitter's shitty reputation is well-earned. Particularly in regards to what it has contributed to our political discourse. Anyone not seeing that is likely ensconced in a very safe bubble.
    I know you mean bubble as a pejorative but that's actually a great way to describe it. Your Twitter feed should absolutely be a bubble. Mine is a mix of music, sports, comics, beer, and politics. You should absolutely not follow or engage with anyone that aggravates you. That's crazy.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,637
    CM189191 said:
    Libertarians have invaded the Michigan State House



    Good thing they're not Native Americans protesting a pipeline running through their backyard; otherwise they'd get the rubber bullets, water hoses and police dog treatment.


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,589
    Biden
    Mika isnt a good interviewer, a good prosecutor. I think she is the wrong woman to be conducting this. Surely there is someone more adept at this....
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
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    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    Mika isnt a good interviewer, a good prosecutor. I think she is the wrong woman to be conducting this. Surely there is someone more adept at this....
    Yeah I could without all the sighs, but I thought she was relatively tough on him. He may not expected that but I think he did okay though. 

    She was definitely way tougher on him than she was on Trump at this time four years ago
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    Here's Biden's full statement. Pretty straightforward. Unless more evidence comes out or we can hear them each under oath, I think we have what we have.



  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    Biden
    That's a pretty goddamn good statement.  Not the "she's not my type" defense that president dipshit used
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
    pjl44 said:
    Here's Biden's full statement. Pretty straightforward. Unless more evidence comes out or we can hear them each under oath, I think we have what we have.



    Oops, Sleepy Woke Joe mentioned guns. Get ready for the NRA scare letter and a run on guns. Again. And purported documents from the National Archives flooding social media and gun nutters showing up armed at the National Archives demanding they stop silencing Tara. Watch.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    Biden
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Libertarians have invaded the Michigan State House



    Good thing they're not Native Americans protesting a pipeline running through their backyard; otherwise they'd get the rubber bullets, water hoses and police dog treatment.
    Remember when Ronald Reagan and the NRA started gun control as we know it because the Black Panthers an actual oppressed minority group used their 2a rights in the state Capitol to protest police injustice?  Maybe the Republicans and their new messiah and the NRA could jump on the gun control train one more time and take away the rights of these ignorant morons.
    I really can't believe they allow that bullshit...there is no reason to carry a gun in that capitol.  Pathetic 
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,447
    Biden
    That's a pretty direct statement & well said, in my opinion.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    Biden
    I though Trump's statement about Tara Reade was interesting....something to the effect of "they might be false accusations...I had several false accusations against me..."

    So much for that ammo
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    dignin said:
    I wish I lived in a world where nobody cared what was trending on twitter. It's a cesspool.

    I had a twitter account for about a month.  It got nauseating so I dumped it.

    Not a bad move. Twitter's shitty reputation is well-earned. Particularly in regards to what it has contributed to our political discourse. Anyone not seeing that is likely ensconced in a very safe bubble.
    I know you mean bubble as a pejorative but that's actually a great way to describe it. Your Twitter feed should absolutely be a bubble. Mine is a mix of music, sports, comics, beer, and politics. You should absolutely not follow or engage with anyone that aggravates you. That's crazy.
    Just because you avoid all the poison doesn't mean it's not happening.

    It's just another place where people get more divided and more extreme, like most social media. Where people become misinformed and entrenched.

    Never had a Twitter account and left Facebook a few years ago. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
    Gern Blansten said:
    static111 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Libertarians have invaded the Michigan State House



    Good thing they're not Native Americans protesting a pipeline running through their backyard; otherwise they'd get the rubber bullets, water hoses and police dog treatment.
    Remember when Ronald Reagan and the NRA started gun control as we know it because the Black Panthers an actual oppressed minority group used their 2a rights in the state Capitol to protest police injustice?  Maybe the Republicans and their new messiah and the NRA could jump on the gun control train one more time and take away the rights of these ignorant morons.
    I really can't believe they allow that bullshit...there is no reason to carry a gun in that capitol.  Pathetic 
    How long before one or both of these cops has covid?


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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,471
    I'm sitting this one out
    dignin said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    brianlux said:
    dignin said:
    I wish I lived in a world where nobody cared what was trending on twitter. It's a cesspool.

    I had a twitter account for about a month.  It got nauseating so I dumped it.

    Not a bad move. Twitter's shitty reputation is well-earned. Particularly in regards to what it has contributed to our political discourse. Anyone not seeing that is likely ensconced in a very safe bubble.
    I know you mean bubble as a pejorative but that's actually a great way to describe it. Your Twitter feed should absolutely be a bubble. Mine is a mix of music, sports, comics, beer, and politics. You should absolutely not follow or engage with anyone that aggravates you. That's crazy.
    Just because you avoid all the poison doesn't mean it's not happening.

    It's just another place where people get more divided and more extreme, like most social media. Where people become misinformed and entrenched.

    Never had a Twitter account and left Facebook a few years ago. 
    It's inevitable, though. That's just the nature of our technological advancement. Whether we're on Twitter, Reddit, a Pearl Jam forum, or whatever, people will congregate online and share ideas. 

    Figure out how to use these tools to improve your life. Make your contribution as much a net positive as you can. Counter bad information with good information. That's all any one of us can do. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    Biden
    Clear and direct statement from Joe. Couldn't be addressed any better in my opinion. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
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