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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,325
    edited April 2020
    gimmesometruth27 said:
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    @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



    @mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?
    I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 
    Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

    Or am I wrong?



    And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

    But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



    Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel yourself has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him during the late 80s/early 90s -- but was anything out of the ordinary. That is how men were joking, or whatever you defended him with.

    Now delve into that culture a bit more, and put yourself in a woman's shoes being in that world. Just look at Anita Hill. Then look at Biden during the Anita Hill hearings. Then back at Anita Hill again.
    1. "out of respect for the senator" means she respects the senator.  It's the same statement.  In English, there isn't a different, it's just a sentence construct. 




    Seems there is. 

    Not to go inside Taras head and trying to figure out what happened between her telling her mom and mom talking and perheps condensing things about it on the phone with Larry King -- but out of respect for, I could imagine could be about destroying his life, destroying his job as a senator, causing problems for him and his family etc. 


    And also, you did not respond:

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? 
    What’s changed? From the Julian Assange thread:


    Not seeing the point you are trying to make.
    Point out anyone saying he (Biden) has been found guilty in court? Was that really too difficult for you to understand?
    You are still not making sense. 

    Why should I point out anyone saying Biden has been found guilty in court?

    Because you did for Julian Asstrange who was "credibly" accused of rape. What has changed in the past year for you?
    I don't see how anything has changed?

    Neither has been found guilty in court to my knowledge.

    What is your point?

    Please make sense. Or I will have to mute you (1 out of the limit of 5). This takes time.  Cut to the chase.
    Only if you promise to stop posting gifs and referencing that slime ball Aaaaaaahnold?

    Because a year ago, you were opposed to trying Julian Asstrange on social media for the very credible allegation of rape. Now that its Sleepy Woke Joe, you're trying to hang him without any semblance of due process. I'm asking you why one and not the other?

    And you still haven't answered my question about whether I could walk into a police station in Stockholm or anywhere else in Sweden and make an allegation of sexual assault, 8, 12 or 27 years after the alleged incident.
    1. When have I opposed anything against Julian Assange? 

    2. I don't know the statute of limitation on sexual assault in Sweden. 


    My question to you is - how much shame should a person feel for carrying water on internet forum for and "if the glove don't fit acquit-defending a person who's by all probable accounts is a "slime ball" and sexual assaulter instead of just admitting it is highly probable but seeing reasons to vote for the slime ball sexual assaulter anyway?


    sorry, but at this time in history, in america we do not have time for your purity test. we either vote biden, or trump wins again. i do not see what is so difficult to comprehend. you can't vote here, so do not shame the rest of us for trying to improve our country.
    ^^^
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
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    @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



    @mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?
    I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 
    Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

    Or am I wrong?



    And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

    But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



    Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel yourself has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him during the late 80s/early 90s -- but was anything out of the ordinary. That is how men were joking, or whatever you defended him with.

    Now delve into that culture a bit more, and put yourself in a woman's shoes being in that world. Just look at Anita Hill. Then look at Biden during the Anita Hill hearings. Then back at Anita Hill again.
    1. "out of respect for the senator" means she respects the senator.  It's the same statement.  In English, there isn't a different, it's just a sentence construct. 




    Seems there is. 

    Not to go inside Taras head and trying to figure out what happened between her telling her mom and mom talking and perheps condensing things about it on the phone with Larry King -- but out of respect for, I could imagine could be about destroying his life, destroying his job as a senator, causing problems for him and his family etc. 


    And also, you did not respond:

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? 
    What’s changed? From the Julian Assange thread:


    Not seeing the point you are trying to make.
    Point out anyone saying he (Biden) has been found guilty in court? Was that really too difficult for you to understand?
    You are still not making sense. 

    Why should I point out anyone saying Biden has been found guilty in court?

    Because you did for Julian Asstrange who was "credibly" accused of rape. What has changed in the past year for you?
    I don't see how anything has changed?

    Neither has been found guilty in court to my knowledge.

    What is your point?

    Please make sense. Or I will have to mute you (1 out of the limit of 5). This takes time.  Cut to the chase.
    Only if you promise to stop posting gifs and referencing that slime ball Aaaaaaahnold?

    Because a year ago, you were opposed to trying Julian Asstrange on social media for the very credible allegation of rape. Now that its Sleepy Woke Joe, you're trying to hang him without any semblance of due process. I'm asking you why one and not the other?

    And you still haven't answered my question about whether I could walk into a police station in Stockholm or anywhere else in Sweden and make an allegation of sexual assault, 8, 12 or 27 years after the alleged incident.
    1. When have I opposed anything against Julian Assange? 

    2. I don't know the statute of limitation on sexual assault in Sweden. 


    My question to you is - how much shame should a person feel for carrying water on internet forum for and "if the glove don't fit acquit-defending a person who's by all probable accounts is a "slime ball" and sexual assaulter instead of just admitting it is highly probable but seeing reasons to vote for the slime ball sexual assaulter anyway?


    sorry, but at this time in history, in america we do not have time for your purity test. we either vote biden, or trump wins again. i do not see what is so difficult to comprehend. you can't vote here, so do not shame the rest of us for trying to improve our country.
    By calling it a purity test, are you saying you'd still vote for Biden if it turns out to be true?
    I would. 
    gimmesometruth27 said:
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    @Halifax2TheMax - you still stand by these posts?



    @mrussel1 you still stand by Biden in this and that her accusations could just be about touching her neck?
    I said yesterday that this was the strongest corroboration,  but it's still not evidence.  Second,  I don't understand how she respects him if he raped her.  I asked you that twice and you haven't helped me square that 
    Her mother said "out of respect for" and not "because she respects him". 

    Or am I wrong?



    And I don't feel the need to go some "The T-800 before they turn on the switch that makes him being able to learn human behavior" level and question why and how a sexual assault victim did not behave in the way, you or I find "logical". 

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? A naked Arnold, before entering the bar and getting clothes, boots and a motorcycle would not understand that.

    But an Arnold switch to learn how humans work, I reckon would. 



    Should be noted again that YOU M. Ruseel yourself has said that at this time in history being a woman and being called "nothing but an oral sex machine" or whatever Bloomberg had said to women around him during the late 80s/early 90s -- but was anything out of the ordinary. That is how men were joking, or whatever you defended him with.

    Now delve into that culture a bit more, and put yourself in a woman's shoes being in that world. Just look at Anita Hill. Then look at Biden during the Anita Hill hearings. Then back at Anita Hill again.
    1. "out of respect for the senator" means she respects the senator.  It's the same statement.  In English, there isn't a different, it's just a sentence construct. 




    Seems there is. 

    Not to go inside Taras head and trying to figure out what happened between her telling her mom and mom talking and perheps condensing things about it on the phone with Larry King -- but out of respect for, I could imagine could be about destroying his life, destroying his job as a senator, causing problems for him and his family etc. 


    And also, you did not respond:

    My friends teenage sister got sexually assaulted at a party, and decided not to file charges because it would stir things up among their group of friends and she felt she would be responsible for causing a lot of problems for everyone involved -- even with her being a victim. Now tell me - why? 
    What’s changed? From the Julian Assange thread:


    Not seeing the point you are trying to make.
    Point out anyone saying he (Biden) has been found guilty in court? Was that really too difficult for you to understand?
    You are still not making sense. 

    Why should I point out anyone saying Biden has been found guilty in court?

    Because you did for Julian Asstrange who was "credibly" accused of rape. What has changed in the past year for you?
    I don't see how anything has changed?

    Neither has been found guilty in court to my knowledge.

    What is your point?

    Please make sense. Or I will have to mute you (1 out of the limit of 5). This takes time.  Cut to the chase.
    Only if you promise to stop posting gifs and referencing that slime ball Aaaaaaahnold?

    Because a year ago, you were opposed to trying Julian Asstrange on social media for the very credible allegation of rape. Now that its Sleepy Woke Joe, you're trying to hang him without any semblance of due process. I'm asking you why one and not the other?

    And you still haven't answered my question about whether I could walk into a police station in Stockholm or anywhere else in Sweden and make an allegation of sexual assault, 8, 12 or 27 years after the alleged incident.
    1. When have I opposed anything against Julian Assange? 

    2. I don't know the statute of limitation on sexual assault in Sweden. 


    My question to you is - how much shame should a person feel for carrying water on internet forum for and "if the glove don't fit acquit-defending a person who's by all probable accounts is a "slime ball" and sexual assaulter instead of just admitting it is highly probable but seeing reasons to vote for the slime ball sexual assaulter anyway?


    sorry, but at this time in history, in america we do not have time for your purity test. we either vote biden, or trump wins again. i do not see what is so difficult to comprehend. you can't vote here, so do not shame the rest of us for trying to improve our country.
    By calling it a purity test, are you saying you'd still vote for Biden if it turns out to be true?
    I would. 
    i absolutely would as well.

    biden was not my first choice, or my 3rd, or my 10th. but he is the nominee and i will support our nominee. fuck trump.
    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    All defensible positions. I was just curious. 
    Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?

    Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
    I'm not voting for Biden either way 
    What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
    Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
    that is rich, considering we are in the midst of economic collapse right now and trump has already played the biggest guns that could potentially save it.

    but don't vote for biden or the democrats. 
    Everyone knows why the economy is collapsing. Heaping trillions more on the debt looks even crazier now. It will be interesting to see if/how Democrats try to pitch those initiatives with the price tags.
    Universal healthcare should be easy to pitch because it's cheaper than private. If Americans could look at it logically.

    Edit: especially during a pandemic
    Cheaper for who? At the top line,  how do we know it's cheaper? I think many assume it will be cheaper for them personally,  but in theory if you're above the median income line,  you may end up paying more than private,  since it would likely be a progressive tax structure. 
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Biden
    Trump needs to lose. Biden wasn't my first choice, but he is the presumptive nominee. So, it looks like I'll be voting for Biden.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,392
    Has Bloomberg given any money to Biden? 
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
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    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,379
    I'm sitting this one out
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
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    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    I'd personally boycott the whole fucking thing and demand both the Republicans and Democrats renounce them as candidates. That's what the entire fucking country should do.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
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    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
    Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?

    Welp, that's on you guys then!


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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,379
    I'm sitting this one out
    The Juggler said:
    JW269453 said:
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    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
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    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
    Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?

    Welp, that's on you guys then!


    Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,502
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
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    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
    Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?

    Welp, that's on you guys then!


    That's just shitty. Why can't we as a country renounce them both if that's the case? My god we're a pathetic bunch if that's the option we leave for this country.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:
    JW269453 said:
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    JimmyV said:
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    JimmyV said:
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    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
    Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?

    Welp, that's on you guys then!


    That's just shitty. Why can't we as a country renounce them both if that's the case? My god we're a pathetic bunch if that's the option we leave for this country.
    It is shitty but it's the cost of doing business, as Saul Berensen would say.


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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,392
    Here we are trying to get excited for a person who can defeat trump and this thread is just about putting fellow PJ members on a hate list.  
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JW269453 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JimmyV said:
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    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
    Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?

    Welp, that's on you guys then!


    Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.

    Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....

    God speed. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    Jason P said:
    Here we are trying to get excited for a person who can defeat trump and this thread is just about putting fellow PJ members on a hate list.  
    Is that what you think this is, Jason?
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,613
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I assume most of Trump's are true. He's scum and a nonstarter for me. So I do expect the Democrats to run someone who isn't just 1/25th as bad. Trump assaulting 25 women doesn't make your choice of nominee any more appealing because he only assaulted one.

    Democrats are hell bent on proving we need a third party.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,613
    Biden
    Also, "Do you assault women?" is not a purity test. It's a litmus test.
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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,379
    I'm sitting this one out
    The Juggler said:
    JW269453 said:
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
    Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?

    Welp, that's on you guys then!


    Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.

    Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....

    God speed. 
    Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?

    Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
    I'm not voting for Biden either way 
    What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
    Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
    Thx for thoughtful answer.

    What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
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    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
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    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JW269453 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JW269453 said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    The Juggler said:
    JimmyV said:
    If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
    It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.

    It's not even a question in my mind .
    If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
    If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too? 

    I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind. 

    I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
    Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation? 

    We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way. 

    "Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
    there's that purity test again.
    Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
    Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:

    What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.

    Both are the nominees.

    What would you do?
    I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
    Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?

    Welp, that's on you guys then!


    Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.

    Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....

    God speed. 
    Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!
    You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.

    Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
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