I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
And that's the most generous interpretation. If he actually thinks the economic argument is about the stock market and not 33 million unemployment claims, we'd have been screwed either way.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
I think he's saying that choosing between the economy and lives is a false choice, one that should not have to be made. This is countering the Trump statement a few days ago that some people will die because of the economy reopening. I don't think there's anything wrong with this tweet, Trump's statement left a gaping hole to take a shot.
edit - also remember the comments by the TX Lt Gov which are even more morbid.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
I think he's saying that choosing between the economy and lives is a false choice, one that should not have to be made. This is countering the Trump statement a few days ago that some people will die because of the economy reopening. I don't think there's anything wrong with this tweet, Trump's statement left a gaping hole to take a shot.
edit - also remember the comments by the TX Lt Gov which are even more morbid.
What you're saying is nuanced and, in my view, wholly different than what Biden is saying
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I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities.
He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement.
When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
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I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities.
He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement.
When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
Nah. Trump made a boneheaded statement. Biden tweeted a response. It's really not a big deal. Nothing wrong here.
These are totally different topics. Does Amash think a certain number of deaths are okay to save the economy? Trump does, Biden doesn't. Where does Amash sit?
And that's the most generous interpretation. If he actually thinks the economic argument is about the stock market and not 33 million unemployment claims, we'd have been screwed either way.
You don't think one of the KPIs for the economy Trump is the stock market? He talks about that more than unemployment numbers.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities.
He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement.
When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
That makes no sense. You just want to argue.
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And that's the most generous interpretation. If he actually thinks the economic argument is about the stock market and not 33 million unemployment claims, we'd have been screwed either way.
You don't think one of the KPIs for the economy Trump is the stock market? He talks about that more than unemployment numbers.
Yes, I'm sure he does and it's stupid. That's why I'm annoyed that Biden is engaging with stupid arguments. If he's gonna chime in, offer an affirmative solution. Unless he just did.
These are totally different topics. Does Amash think a certain number of deaths are okay to save the economy? Trump does, Biden doesn't. Where does Amash sit?
You're approaching this way too broadly. If I were to answer your question directly, it's obviously "yes." A plan that estimates 5 incremental deaths but brings back 20 million jobs in a month would be covered. That is a wild exaggeration, but it's to make a point about how silly and unseriously it's being discussed by 2 Presidential candidates.
I posted that Amash point because it's directly addressing the unemployment aspect. Beyond that I think his position is that how to re-open is a state-by-state decision. The federal government should provide guidance, but if they aren't (for ineptitude or whatever reason), it still is ultimately going to fall on each state.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities.
He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement.
When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
That makes no sense. You just want to argue.
In my opinion, he would have been better off keeping quiet than saying that
These are totally different topics. Does Amash think a certain number of deaths are okay to save the economy? Trump does, Biden doesn't. Where does Amash sit?
You're approaching this way too broadly. If I were to answer your question directly, it's obviously "yes." A plan that estimates 5 incremental deaths but brings back 20 million jobs in a month would be covered. That is a wild exaggeration, but it's to make a point about how silly and unseriously it's being discussed by 2 Presidential candidates.
I posted that Amash point because it's directly addressing the unemployment aspect. Beyond that I think his position is that how to re-open is a state-by-state decision. The federal government should provide guidance, but if they aren't (for ineptitude or whatever reason), it still is ultimately going to fall on each state.
Amash’s Point is stupid given that the states that are reopening haven’t experienced any of the four criteria that the Team Trump Treason Administration’s own CDC and experts recommended needed to occur. Just more libertarian power to the people bullshit. How does Amash’s point address the unemployment aspect? And like Sleepy Woke Joe’s tweet is some kind of policy proposal? Sure. It’s a fucking tweet.
And ahhh, the federal government has provided guidance, guidance that some states and Team Trump Treason have willfully chosen to ignore but guidance nevertheless. Good luck ‘Murica.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
...you know who else has a fundamental misunderstanding of the challenge we're facing right now....???
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I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities.
He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement.
When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
That makes no sense. You just want to argue.
In my opinion, he would have been better off keeping quiet than saying that
I agree with the others. He's a democratic candidate, not a libertarian. That tweet is in line with the party.
This discussion does serve as an important reminder that Biden will only win by rallying Democrats and left-leaning independents to him. Some centrists will come as well, but he cannot depend on right-leaning voters defecting from the GOP en masse. It just won't happen, and gearing his message to them would be a mistake. The tweet is fine and the people nitpicking it are not going to be Biden voters.
some people just want to argue and no matter what anybody says it just isn't good enough.
i am not voting for amash, so i do not give a shit what he tweets. people not voting for biden would be better served to not give a shit what he tweets either because it will never be to their approval.
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What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine.
What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine.
I'm open to the idea that this situation could have been handled better by a Biden administration, but statements like this demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding (or willful misrepresentation) of the challenge we're facing right now.
In the context of Team Trump, this tweet is bang on.
That's my point. He's choosing to engage with the dumbest argument which makes me question his leadership abilities.
He's running against an ignoramus who constantly says dumb things that's easy to retort. There's nothing wrong with this statement.
When we were all in consensus about it being smart of him to lay low on the coronavirus stuff, it's kinda for this reason. Trump's dumb response makes it easy to imagine anyone else with a pulse doing a better job. Popping his head up to belch that out calls attention to the fact that he may not have much better of a grasp on things.
That makes no sense. You just want to argue.
In my opinion, he would have been better off keeping quiet than saying that
I agree with the others. He's a democratic candidate, not a libertarian. That tweet is in line with the party.
What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine.
Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.
There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing.
What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine.
I've often thought there should be a social contract where protesters and other people who refuse to do the things they ought to be doing are moved to the bottom of the priority list for treatment...then it hits me that this is impractical/impossible. I go through that little process a few times a week.
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What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine.
Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.
There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing.
I understand that those wanting things to be open right now are over-represented by their loudness...but I'm not convinced of the extremeness of how narrow they are; nor that it's a narrow group. Or a fringe group. If anyone knows numbers, I'd be curious. But while they're in the minority, I think there's a lot of people that are hurting economically or simply have the belief that every government measure in this area is a taking of liberty and the principle at stake is more important than the result. (Not to mention the people that think it's a worldwide hoax to bring trump down after the failed coup in the form of impeachment).
I also anticipate this group growing. Most people are getting frustrated. Things like depression and anxiety are going to be exacerbated and eventually, the people are going to decide that this is enough. And that'll be beyond the fringe. That'll include people just saying "screw it, I'm going where I want and I'm wearing a mask. This is no way to live."
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What I would like to see from the people I've seen in the press who want things open again right now, today, so the economy can recover is a written list of their own family members they're willing to sacrifice to that end. Name names. Who are you willing to give up from your own family -- not mine.
Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.
There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing.
I understand that those wanting things to be open right now are over-represented by their loudness...but I'm not convinced of the extremeness of how narrow they are; nor that it's a narrow group. Or a fringe group. If anyone knows numbers, I'd be curious. But while they're in the minority, I think there's a lot of people that are hurting economically or simply have the belief that every government measure in this area is a taking of liberty and the principle at stake is more important than the result. (Not to mention the people that think it's a worldwide hoax to bring trump down after the failed coup in the form of impeachment).
I also anticipate this group growing. Most people are getting frustrated. Things like depression and anxiety are going to be exacerbated and eventually, the people are going to decide that this is enough. And that'll be beyond the fringe. That'll include people just saying "screw it, I'm going where I want and I'm wearing a mask. This is no way to live."
We may disagree on the scale but I'm totally with you on everything else. I think most people are even willing to roll with it more if they're given some idea of what starting to loosen up will look like. Not sure if you're in the coronavirus thread, but over the last few pages you can find info on how British Columbia officials are approaching it. In my opinion, it's leaps and bounds better than just about anywhere I've seen in the US. Very thoughtful, logical, and digestible.
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edit - also remember the comments by the TX Lt Gov which are even more morbid.
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I posted that Amash point because it's directly addressing the unemployment aspect. Beyond that I think his position is that how to re-open is a state-by-state decision. The federal government should provide guidance, but if they aren't (for ineptitude or whatever reason), it still is ultimately going to fall on each state.
And ahhh, the federal government has provided guidance, guidance that some states and Team Trump Treason have willfully chosen to ignore but guidance nevertheless. Good luck ‘Murica.
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some people just want to argue and no matter what anybody says it just isn't good enough.
i am not voting for amash, so i do not give a shit what he tweets. people not voting for biden would be better served to not give a shit what he tweets either because it will never be to their approval.
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Other than an extremely narrow fringe, no one is advocating for things to be "open again right now." The debate is over when states should begin this first phase of loosening up.
There are huge physiological implications to keeping things locked down, also. Exacerbation of behavioral health issues, domestic violence, and chronic medical conditions chief among them. With 33 million people unemployed, how many more people will be struggling with homelessness over the next year and beyond? There is no side of this argument that wouldn't involve people making a list if that's what we're doing.
I've often thought there should be a social contract where protesters and other people who refuse to do the things they ought to be doing are moved to the bottom of the priority list for treatment...then it hits me that this is impractical/impossible. I go through that little process a few times a week.
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