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Biden
Totally agree on a third party. I'm not even a democrat. I'm an independent who recognizes the clear and present danger of a second term of Trump. So you gotta weigh your options, as ugly as they might be. One is clearly better than the other...JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?I assume most of Trump's are true. He's scum and a nonstarter for me. So I do expect the Democrats to run someone who isn't just 1/25th as bad. Trump assaulting 25 women doesn't make your choice of nominee any more appealing because he only assaulted one.Democrats are hell bent on proving we need a third party.www.myspace.com0 -
I'm sitting this one out
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?0 -
Biden
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...static111 said:
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?www.myspace.com0 -
I'm sitting this one out
Predictable. I would never vote for trump. “Well not voting for biden is a vote for trump!” Clip-clopCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
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Biden
a lobotomy?pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?0 -
Biden
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.The Juggler said:
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...static111 said:
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?Scio me nihil scire
There are no kings inside the gates of eden0 -
I'm sitting this one out
More likely a Green vote in that scenariomrussel1 said:
a lobotomy?pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?0 -
I'm sitting this one out
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....0 -
BidenThe Juggler said:
Totally agree on a third party. I'm not even a democrat. I'm an independent who recognizes the clear and present danger of a second term of Trump. So you gotta weigh your options, as ugly as they might be. One is clearly better than the other...JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?I assume most of Trump's are true. He's scum and a nonstarter for me. So I do expect the Democrats to run someone who isn't just 1/25th as bad. Trump assaulting 25 women doesn't make your choice of nominee any more appealing because he only assaulted one.Democrats are hell bent on proving we need a third party.
Oh, absolutely agree one is better than the other. I don't believe we'll ever know for sure what, if anything, happened between Biden and Reade, and I'm still not convinced this kind of skeleton would stay hidden for this long in his closet. If the election were today he would get my vote.
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Biden
We still don't.static111 said:
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.The Juggler said:
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...static111 said:
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?0 -
Biden
Ouch..don't pick on the greens!pjl44 said:
More likely a Green vote in that scenariomrussel1 said:
a lobotomy?pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?0 -
I'm sitting this one out
I'll admit it was a cheap shot. Although, few things would bring me greater joy than seeing them nominate Jesse Ventura.mrussel1 said:
Ouch..don't pick on the greens!pjl44 said:
More likely a Green vote in that scenariomrussel1 said:
a lobotomy?pjl44 said:
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for TrumpCM189191 said:
Thx for thoughtful answer.pjl44 said:
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?0 -
Biden
I never said we did. I was playing along with the imaginary scenario.mrussel1 said:
We still don't.static111 said:
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.The Juggler said:
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...static111 said:
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?Scio me nihil scire
There are no kings inside the gates of eden0 -
Biden
this is our reality. if we do not run biden, trump will run and he will win. we are going up against a cult of truebelievers who would rather run the country into the ground.tbergs said:
That's just shitty. Why can't we as a country renounce them both if that's the case? My god we're a pathetic bunch if that's the option we leave for this country.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Biden
Well, we won't have convicted sex offenders on the ballot this year either.static111 said:
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.The Juggler said:
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...static111 said:
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
We have had nominees that have had accusations thrown their way before though...www.myspace.com0 -
Biden
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.JW269453 said:
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.The Juggler said:
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.JW269453 said:
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!The Juggler said:
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....JW269453 said:
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.The Juggler said:
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?JW269453 said:
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
God speed.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....www.myspace.com0 -
Biden
Except...you added the word "convicted," for some reason, which is obviously an enormous difference.static111 said:
I never said we did. I was playing along with the imaginary scenario.mrussel1 said:
We still don't.static111 said:
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.The Juggler said:
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...static111 said:
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
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The original premise was if we found this and all of trumps accusations to be true, no? Well being true would have to be proven and my understanding (not a lawyer) is that in America unless something can be proven legally in this case it isn’t true. So in the imaginary scenario for the accusations to be true wouldn’t both candidates have been found guilty and been convicted of being sex offenders. I didn’t add anything, the premise is that they are convicted by virtue of the truth of their guilt.The Juggler said:
Except...you added the word "convicted," for some reason, which is obviously an enormous difference.static111 said:
I never said we did. I was playing along with the imaginary scenario.mrussel1 said:
We still don't.static111 said:
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.The Juggler said:
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...static111 said:
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
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Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?I assume most of Trump's are true. He's scum and a nonstarter for me. So I do expect the Democrats to run someone who isn't just 1/25th as bad. Trump assaulting 25 women doesn't make your choice of nominee any more appealing because he only assaulted one.Democrats are hell bent on proving we need a third party.
Nah...they're hell-bent on proving we need a second party.
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Nah.static111 said:
The original premise was if we found this and all of trumps accusations to be true, no? Well being true would have to be proven and my understanding (not a lawyer) is that in America unless something can be proven legally in this case it isn’t true. So in the imaginary scenario for the accusations to be true wouldn’t both candidates have been found guilty and been convicted of being sex offenders. I didn’t add anything, the premise is that they are convicted by virtue of the truth of their guilt.The Juggler said:
Except...you added the word "convicted," for some reason, which is obviously an enormous difference.static111 said:
I never said we did. I was playing along with the imaginary scenario.mrussel1 said:
We still don't.static111 said:
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.The Juggler said:
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...static111 said:
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.The Juggler said:
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:JimmyV said:
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.gimmesometruth27 said:
there's that purity test again.JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?JimmyV said:The Juggler said:
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?JimmyV said:
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.The Juggler said:
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
That's precisely not what the premise was. If Trump or Biden were found guilty by a court of law, neither party would nominate them. I don't believe it's even possible in this case due statute of limitations.
The question was simply if we knew Biden's accusation was true and Trump's 25 accusations were true....what would you do?
And again, we've had nominees run for president with similar accusations before.
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