Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!
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BidenThe Juggler said:static111 said:The Juggler said:static111 said:mrussel1 said:static111 said:The Juggler said:static111 said:The Juggler said:JimmyV said:gimmesometruth27 said:JimmyV said:The Juggler said:JimmyV said:The Juggler said:JimmyV said:The Juggler said:JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.
It's not even a question in my mind .
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
That's precisely not what the premise was. If Trump or Biden were found guilty by a court of law, neither party would nominate them. I don't believe it's even possible in this case due statute of limitations.
The question was simply if we knew Biden's accusation was true and Trump's 25 accusations were true....what would you do?
And again, we've had nominees run for president with similar accusations before.That being said I don’t find the accusations against Biden credible at all.Scio me nihil scire
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Bidenpjl44 said:
He's against women's choice and weak on environment- almost to the point of being a climate change denier. Nothing happening there.
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I'm sitting this one outmrussel1 said:pjl44 said:0
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I'm sitting this one outmrussel1 said:pjl44 said:0
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Bidenpjl44 said:mrussel1 said:pjl44 said:0
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I'm sitting this one outmrussel1 said:pjl44 said:mrussel1 said:pjl44 said:
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BidenI'll admit one thing- Amash would be better than Trump. And I hate to spoil the party, but does anyone really think America is going to elect an Independent for president? And if people vote for Amash, isn't that just going to make a second term Trump presidency more likely? Horrors!
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I'm sitting this one outbrianlux said:I'll admit one thing- Amash would be better than Trump. And I hate to spoil the party, but does anyone really think America is going to elect an Independent for president? And if people vote for Amash, isn't that just going to make a second term Trump presidency more likely? Horrors!
Libertarians generally pull more from the Republican vote. 2016 was an anomaly where Johnson pulled evenly from both. Either way, they've never pulled more from Democrats like the Greens. Not that I would discourage anyone from voting Green if that's their thing.0 -
JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.And we are right back to the email server.0
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Bidenpjl44 said:brianlux said:I'll admit one thing- Amash would be better than Trump. And I hate to spoil the party, but does anyone really think America is going to elect an Independent for president? And if people vote for Amash, isn't that just going to make a second term Trump presidency more likely? Horrors!
Libertarians generally pull more from the Republican vote. 2016 was an anomaly where Johnson pulled evenly from both. Either way, they've never pulled more from Democrats like the Greens. Not that I would discourage anyone from voting Green if that's their thing.One thing for sure, I would take Amash over Trump any day.In 2016 I voted Green Party. In the long run, it didn't matter because I knew Hillary would capture all of California's Electoral College numbers. In 2020, Biden will do the same and even though he is not nearly my first pick, I'll vote for him anyway because I not only want to see Trump lose, I would love to see Trump lose by HUGE numbers. He deserves that kind of shaming."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
BidenAmash is a complete joke.
Libertarianism is a complete joke.
That is all.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
BidenLerxst1992 said:JimmyV said:If this is true I would be off the Biden train.And we are right back to the email server.Except we're not, because her emails and having committed sexual assault are not AT ALL the same. What we are back to is the Democrats burying their heads in the sand about potential problems with their nominee.For about the 30th time, I'm not convinced he did this and if the election were held today he would get my vote. That's more than I could ever say about HRC.___________________________________________
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pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
The US government is a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. We are not a multi-party system. Voting libertarian represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how our government functions.
These are lifetime appointments that will take a generation to fix.
Because people with your Veruca Salt mentality would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.
Lifetime appointments that will side in favor of more militarism, no criminal justice reform, no drug policy reform. You get nothing.
Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions. Enjoy your shit sandwich.0 -
BidenCM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
The US government is a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. We are not a multi-party system. Voting libertarian represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how our government functions.
These are lifetime appointments that will take a generation to fix.
Because people with your Veruca Salt mentality would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.
Lifetime appointments that will side in favor of more militarism, no criminal justice reform, no drug policy reform. You get nothing.
Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions. Enjoy your shit sandwich.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
Every vote for Amash would be in effect a vote for trump.
I know you will point to history that Rs are more likely to vote libertarian. But that's old world logic.
In the current world Republicans fall in line. 2016 proved that. Ds need to fall in love. That's why dirty politics hurts Ds more.Amash is taking a huge risk and will only help trump
We are already seeing the attempt to prevent Ds from falling in love with Biden with the actions of Tara Email Server Reade.
She had 30 years to file charges, rally her "witnesses " or publicly attack Biden. But she doesnt attack til now.
Why would that be?0 -
rgambs said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
The US government is a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. We are not a multi-party system. Voting libertarian represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how our government functions.
These are lifetime appointments that will take a generation to fix.
Because people with your Veruca Salt mentality would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.
Lifetime appointments that will side in favor of more militarism, no criminal justice reform, no drug policy reform. You get nothing.
Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions. Enjoy your shit sandwich.
Libertarians can't elect a goddamn dog-catcher, and they want the presidency?
Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions.
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BidenCM189191 said:rgambs said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:pjl44 said:CM189191 said:
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?
I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
The US government is a two-party system. Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. We are not a multi-party system. Voting libertarian represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how our government functions.
These are lifetime appointments that will take a generation to fix.
Because people with your Veruca Salt mentality would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.
Lifetime appointments that will side in favor of more militarism, no criminal justice reform, no drug policy reform. You get nothing.
Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions. Enjoy your shit sandwich.
Libertarians can't elect a goddamn dog-catcher, and they want the presidency?
Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions.
Love it.
I'm not one of the guppies, I can handle it 😜Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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