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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
    I'm sitting this one out
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    Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?

    Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
    I'm not voting for Biden either way 
    What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
    Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
    Thx for thoughtful answer.

    What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
    I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for Trump
    Seems like voting voting Biden is the logical option for you then.  Voting D obviously gets the country closer to where you want it to be.  It may not be the perfect option, but it's a compromise. And that's what our government is built on. 

    What would it take for you not to 'sit this one out'?

    I don't understand why any citizen would do that.
    I only picked sitting out because there was no Libertarian option. If Amash runs and gets the nomination, easy one for me. If it's Jim Gray, I'd vote for him but not be terribly passionate. The rest of the field is no bueno and I'm back to sitting out.

    Biden doesn't bring anything to the table for me, like I said. My support would be about Polis, which is not a thing that's going to happen. I could have similarly explained all the ways Republicans have drifted away from the things I relied on them for, but I'm pretty sure no one around here is interested in that.
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    The US government is a two-party system.  Our checks and balances lie in the three branches of government. We are not a multi-party system. Voting libertarian represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how our government functions. 
    I should have listened to @JW269453
    Seriously, this kind of shortsightedness has cost 2 supreme court justice seats, and countless federal judge appointments.
    These are lifetime appointments that will take a generation to fix.  
    Because people with your Veruca Salt mentality would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.  
    Lifetime appointments that will side in favor of more militarism, no criminal justice reform, no drug policy reform.  You get nothing.
    Fundamental lack of understanding of how our government functions.  Enjoy your shit sandwich.  
    Gorsuch was a great pick. One of the few bright spots of this administration. He's great on criminal justice reform and privacy.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
    I'm sitting this one out
    If Amash does start leeching Biden votes it will be the winning combination of a good platform and these repulsive resistance types sending people fleeing the other way. Get away from the shrieking psychopaths AND you don't have to vote for Trump. We're here to welcome you.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
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    Lerxst1992 said:
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    Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?

    Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
    I'm not voting for Biden either way 
    What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
    Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
    Thx for thoughtful answer.

    What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
    I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for Trump

    Every vote for Amash would be in effect a vote for trump.

    I know you will point to history that Rs are more likely to vote libertarian.  But that's old world logic.

    In the current world Republicans fall in line. 2016 proved that. Ds need to fall in love. That's why dirty politics hurts Ds more.Amash is taking a huge risk and will only help trump

    We are already seeing the attempt to prevent Ds from falling in love with Biden with the actions of Tara Email Server Reade.

    She had 30 years to file charges, rally her "witnesses " or publicly attack Biden. But she doesnt attack til now.

    Why would that be? 
    I just crunched the numbers and every vote for Amash would be a vote for Amash
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    I'm sitting this one out
    brianlux said:
    We can all be mad at the system (and justifiably so) and still vote for Biden because it's going to be Biden or Trump, take your pick.  If you vote for Trump or are pro-Democrat and decide in protest not to vote, you are increasing the chances of a second Trump term and you relinquish the right to complain about having that second term become a reality and all the negative consequences that would be associated with it.  That is just a simple fact.  Whatever anyone decides to do, they need to own it. 

    And I'm just stating the facts.  I'm not trying to berate, bate, badger, or troll.  I'm just stating the facts. 

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    12% of Bernie primary voters voted Team Trump Treason. They will again and vote Amash. Because “dems” love sticking it to the “libs.” Then they’ll whine about M4A, college tuition and the environment.
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  • pjl44
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    12% of Bernie primary voters voted Team Trump Treason. They will again and vote Amash. Because “dems” love sticking it to the “libs.” Then they’ll whine about M4A, college tuition and the environment.
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  • pjl44
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    Yeah I don't see Amash clearly helping or hurting either of the other two.  It's a coin flip. 
  • CM189191
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    'moral' 'honest' 'third party' used in the same sentence?  adorable
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,618
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    12% of Bernie primary voters voted Team Trump Treason. They will again and vote Amash. Because “dems” love sticking it to the “libs.” Then they’ll whine about M4A, college tuition and the environment.

    Are you saying 12% voted Trump in 2016?  Because I'd much rather they vote for Amash than for Trump.  That's a win...or half of a win.  Libertarians tend to take votes from the GOP candidate, though I know it wasn't as clear last time.  I'm still unsure how this plays out.  I think if not for Joe's allegation, this would be a positive...but the allegation is there and it's probably going to be the difference.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    OnWis97 said:
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    12% of Bernie primary voters voted Team Trump Treason. They will again and vote Amash. Because “dems” love sticking it to the “libs.” Then they’ll whine about M4A, college tuition and the environment.

    Are you saying 12% voted Trump in 2016?  Because I'd much rather they vote for Amash than for Trump.  That's a win...or half of a win.  Libertarians tend to take votes from the GOP candidate, though I know it wasn't as clear last time.  I'm still unsure how this plays out.  I think if not for Joe's allegation, this would be a positive...but the allegation is there and it's probably going to be the difference.
    Yes, 12% of Bernie 2016 primary voters voted Team Trump Treason in the general. Thanks “dems.”
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    OnWis97 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    12% of Bernie primary voters voted Team Trump Treason. They will again and vote Amash. Because “dems” love sticking it to the “libs.” Then they’ll whine about M4A, college tuition and the environment.

    Are you saying 12% voted Trump in 2016?  Because I'd much rather they vote for Amash than for Trump.  That's a win...or half of a win.  Libertarians tend to take votes from the GOP candidate, though I know it wasn't as clear last time.  I'm still unsure how this plays out.  I think if not for Joe's allegation, this would be a positive...but the allegation is there and it's probably going to be the difference.
    I think you’re right for the most part that a libertarian would take votes away from a republican. But in this specific election, I think Trump-hating republicans and now-former Trump fans with voter’s remorse are more likely to vote for a Biden than a third-party candidate. Basically to stick to Trump, but also because Biden is pretty moderate, even if he did tend to pander to the far-left a bit during the primary. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    12% of Bernie primary voters voted Team Trump Treason. They will again and vote Amash. Because “dems” love sticking it to the “libs.” Then they’ll whine about M4A, college tuition and the environment.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,618
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    I see the Reade accusation going one of two ways: either kinda going away quietly and having minimal impact on the election or blowing up to the point that people start asking Biden to step away. 

    So what if Biden drops out.  I'm not sure exactly what would happen.  Do all of Bernie's votes vault him?  Does a running mate take over?  Do the super-delegates step in and pick someone?  Is the DNC already planing for this?

    (Ideally, I'd like this thread not to be about Trump or even the validity of the allegations...simply a what if that would apply if any major party candidate (particlarly DEM) drops out between May and November of an election year, for any reason).
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    The allegation isn’t going to do anything to him. He’s not dropping out. 
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  • pjl44
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:

    Nice Russian bot.
    I'm a real person, Tiana Lowe is real journalist, and the Washington Examiner is a real outlet. If voters are indeed fleeing the Democrat candidate, a big reason is they've seen a chunk of their former allies lose their brains to conspiracy theories. 
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    I'm sitting this one out
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,602
    Biden
    I was told reliably after South Carolina and Super Tuesday that Biden had widespread support and was unlikely to become Hillary 2.0. Whether or not that is or ever was true, Justin Amash isn't going to change it. Trump will be lucky to get the same 63 million votes he got in 2016, and any appealing alternative for right-leaning voters unwilling to make the same mistake again in 2020 can only help Biden.
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  • mfc2006
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    Biden
    I don't think he's going to drop out. It will be interesting to see how Trump plays this, though. If he goes after him over this allegation...pot meet kettle in a bigly way.
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