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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,986
    pjl44 said:
    Has Biden himself denied this? And I don't mean some limp "statement from the campaign." Because that seems to be the most obvious defense for his supporters to point to. Instead of relying on the most hackneyed shitbag dudebro tropes that are used whenever a woman speaks out.
    I guarantee you that Biden would deny this in a court of law. I also guarantee you that he’d deny it in a debate, if asked. Are you suggesting we have a pay for view Reade/Biden stare down?

    Again, there are legal remedies for the violated. Ones she chooses to deny herself. Tara Reade “has no intention of filing a civil suit.” Why?

    Shhhhhhhhhhh, it’s a whisper campaign, did you hear?

    And excuse the fuck out of me, but what evidence are you hanging your hat on to convict Sleepy Woke Joe? “Limp statement from a campaign.” Time for Tara to put up or STFU. Legal remedies abound. GO FOR IT, convince me, prove me wrong, convict Sleepy Woke Joe.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,986
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    pjl44 said:
    JimmyV said:
    I remain unconvinced that Republican opposition research would have missed this for decades, nevermind two elections in which Joe Biden was candidate for VP and eight years in which he was VP.
    Given the opportunity, would you tell a woman to her face that the reason you don't believe her story is because it wasn't worthy of a political hit piece?
    It was worthy of a political hit piece. That hit piece never came until now, despite Biden being a two term VP. That's the point.
    When evaluating something as delicate as a sexual assault allegation, why charge in like an oafish cable news pundit and reduce it to "well why was it never used as an oppo hit?"
    Because it never being used is relevant. Because I don't believe the GOP would have missed this, and I absolutely believe they would have used it. Everything about our political history since the Clinton years points to that being true. I understand that truth might be inconvenient for you.


    Hell, evil Hillary, fornicator of birther, would have used this. And don’t fucking forget, Sleepy Woke Joe was a candidate for POTUS in 2008. Not a peep. Not a fucking peep.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
    Out of curiosity I asked Jeeves how many followers trump and biden have since I don't social media. It feels like everybody else is "connected" and it makes me wonder if those follower numbers have any bearing on how voting could go. I tend to think many trump followers are just people looking for ammunition so who knows how many are actual supporters, but with young voters being a major target of the dems it has to be a little concerning that it doesn't seem they are following biden even though staring at a phone is the new national pastime. Or maybe biden's numbers are respectable in social media terms, I don't know. I'm feeling verklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    I'm sitting this one out
    This doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Biden is gonna have to address it directly.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4?amp&utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    This doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Biden is gonna have to address it directly.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4?amp&utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    That's the strongest corroboration yet.  The CNN wasn't worth anything.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    This doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Biden is gonna have to address it directly.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4?amp&utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    Biden already did address it directly. 

    Maybe tRUmp wants to bring it up during the debates?
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    I believe her.   And guess what...I'm voting for him, anyway.  Why?  Because I learned from Trump and Kavanaugh that people don't actually care about allegations. Ford was called a liar; people conveniently forget about Trump's 16 (?) accusers and call some liars. And now they get to call the left hypocrites?  Really, you didn't start caring about this shit until it was Biden.  There's no way I'm falling into the trap that "they" get to vote for anyone they want and "we" have to be the "bigger" people.  Fuck that. I'm voting for Biden because as a voter, I've been dealt a shitty hand.

    But my gawwwwwd the Dems do know how to fuck up a presidential nomination.  This could take the (slim) hopes of beating Trump off the table.  If we even have elections at all (much less fair ones) for 2024, hopefully the party has figured it out.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,596
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    I believe her.   And guess what...I'm voting for him, anyway.  Why?  Because I learned from Trump and Kavanaugh that people don't actually care about allegations. Ford was called a liar; people conveniently forget about Trump's 16 (?) accusers and call some liars. And now they get to call the left hypocrites?  Really, you didn't start caring about this shit until it was Biden.  There's no way I'm falling into the trap that "they" get to vote for anyone they want and "we" have to be the "bigger" people.  Fuck that. I'm voting for Biden because as a voter, I've been dealt a shitty hand.

    But my gawwwwwd the Dems do know how to fuck up a presidential nomination.  This could take the (slim) hopes of beating Trump off the table.  If we even have elections at all (much less fair ones) for 2024, hopefully the party has figured it out.
    I hear you, but I would have a hard time voting for Biden if this is true. 
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    This doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Biden is gonna have to address it directly.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4?amp&utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    Biden already did address it directly. 
    Where?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    This doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Biden is gonna have to address it directly.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4?amp&utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    Biden already did address it directly. 
    Where?
    Biden denied the allegations through statements by campaign representatives. His deputy campaign manager stated, "Vice President Biden has dedicated his public life to changing the culture and the laws around violence against women. He authored and fought for the passage and reauthorization of the landmark Violence Against Women Act. He firmly believes that women have a right to be heard — and heard respectfully. Such claims should also be diligently reviewed by an independent press. What is clear about this claim: It is untrue. This absolutely did not happen."

    Tara Reade is gonna have to address this directly.  
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    What happens if he steps down?  Seems like it would be a shitshow with the votes pointing to Bernie but the Party wanting, well, anyone else.  They'd have to either choose Bernie and risk losing the middle due to "fear of socialism" or risk losing the far-left and even middle-of-the-road independents due to "unfair process."  Damned if they do, damned if they don't, damned if Joe stays, damned if he leaves.  Fuck.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,596
    Biden
    Hillary parachuting into a brokered convention. It's not quite on the table...yet. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    Hillary parachuting into a brokered convention. It's not quite on the table...yet. 

    Oh god...I didn't even think of that.  #TrumpUnopposed.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,596
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
    Democrats have proudly been the party of #MeToo. That's not a bad thing, but they can't just abandon it now. 
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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    I'm sitting this one out
    The Juggler said:
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
    There should be one standard, a human standard and political affiliation should have nothing to do with it.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    I'm sitting this one out
    The Juggler said:
    Why are Democrats are held to a higher standard than Republicans when it comes to this kind of stuff?
    You feel like he's been held to a *higher* standard? He hasn't been asked a single question about this by a journalist, nor has he directly addressed it. A statement by him, not "from the campaign."
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,986
    pjl44 said:
    This doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Biden is gonna have to address it directly.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/former-neighbor-corroborates-joe-bidens-accuser-2020-4?amp&utmSource=twitter&utmContent=referral&utmTerm=topbar&referrer=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
    Preferably in a court of law, under oath, not by trial in the press, where Biden can depose and be deposed.

    "I'd like to be heard in a fair and objective way," she said. "And I'd also like to hear Joe Biden's response, which has not happened. My hope is that the conversation will move forward and we will examine how I was treated when I came forward, and really look at the fact that, like domestic violence, sexual assault and sexual harassment is not a partisan issue. It is an equal opportunity offender."

    What's stopping Tara?
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,596
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    The calls for Biden to address this (at least, from anyone not named Tara Reade) are a trap designed to force Biden into shining a light on the story himself. "Biden addresses sexual assault allegation" would instantly become the biggest non-Covid story in the country, even if his comments were a fierce denial. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JimmyV said:
    The calls for Biden to address this (from anyone not name Tara Reade) are a trap designed to force Biden into shining a light on the story himself. "Biden addresses sexual assault allegation" would instantly become the biggest non-Covid story in the country, even if his comments were a fierce denial. 
    And then social media would be flooded with doctored audio and video to make him appear to say things he didn't say, or "look guilty," deceitful, etc. Its bad enough the story has changed several times since it "broke," way back in 1993.
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