It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who
potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
That's just shitty. Why can't we as a country renounce them both if that's the case? My god we're a pathetic bunch if that's the option we leave for this country.
It is shitty but it's the cost of doing business, as Saul Berensen would say.
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who
potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....
God speed.
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It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I assume most of Trump's are true. He's scum and a nonstarter for me. So I do expect the Democrats to run someone who isn't just 1/25th as bad. Trump assaulting 25 women doesn't make your choice of nominee any more appealing because he only assaulted one.
Democrats are hell bent on proving we need a third party.
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who
potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....
God speed.
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a
potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can
revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!
Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?
Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
I'm not voting for Biden either way
What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
Thx for thoughtful answer.
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
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It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
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The Juggler
Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,536
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who
potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....
God speed.
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a
potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can
revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
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The Juggler
Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,536
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I assume most of Trump's are true. He's scum and a nonstarter for me. So I do expect the Democrats to run someone who isn't just 1/25th as bad. Trump assaulting 25 women doesn't make your choice of nominee any more appealing because he only assaulted one.
Democrats are hell bent on proving we need a third party.
Totally agree on a third party. I'm not even a democrat. I'm an independent who recognizes the clear and present danger of a second term of Trump. So you gotta weigh your options, as ugly as they might be. One is clearly better than the other...
Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?
Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
I'm not voting for Biden either way
What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
Thx for thoughtful answer.
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for Trump
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The Juggler
Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,536
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...
Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?
Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
I'm not voting for Biden either way
What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
Thx for thoughtful answer.
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
Predictable. I would never vote for trump. “Well not voting for biden is a vote for trump!” Clip-clop
Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?
Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
I'm not voting for Biden either way
What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
Thx for thoughtful answer.
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for Trump
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.
Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?
Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
I'm not voting for Biden either way
What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
Thx for thoughtful answer.
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for Trump
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who
potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....
God speed.
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a
potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can
revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I assume most of Trump's are true. He's scum and a nonstarter for me. So I do expect the Democrats to run someone who isn't just 1/25th as bad. Trump assaulting 25 women doesn't make your choice of nominee any more appealing because he only assaulted one.
Democrats are hell bent on proving we need a third party.
Totally agree on a third party. I'm not even a democrat. I'm an independent who recognizes the clear and present danger of a second term of Trump. So you gotta weigh your options, as ugly as they might be. One is clearly better than the other...
Oh, absolutely agree one is better than the other. I don't believe we'll ever know for sure what, if anything, happened between Biden and Reade, and I'm still not convinced this kind of skeleton would stay hidden for this long in his closet. If the election were today he would get my vote.
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.
Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?
Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
I'm not voting for Biden either way
What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
Thx for thoughtful answer.
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for Trump
Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?
Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
I'm not voting for Biden either way
What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
Thx for thoughtful answer.
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for Trump
a lobotomy?
More likely a Green vote in that scenario
Ouch..don't pick on the greens!
I'll admit it was a cheap shot. Although, few things would bring me greater joy than seeing them nominate Jesse Ventura.
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.
We still don't.
I never said we did. I was playing along with the imaginary scenario.
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who
potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
That's just shitty. Why can't we as a country renounce them both if that's the case? My god we're a pathetic bunch if that's the option we leave for this country.
this is our reality. if we do not run biden, trump will run and he will win. we are going up against a cult of truebelievers who would rather run the country into the ground.
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It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.
Well, we won't have convicted sex offenders on the ballot this year either.
We have had nominees that have had accusations thrown their way before though...
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It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I wouldn't blame anyone for choosing not to vote for someone who
potentially assaults women, 1 or 20 it doesn't matter.
Even if it leads to the total destruction of our democracy?
Welp, that's on you guys then!
Only time will tell and nothing is decided yet. Live in the now, all of the what ifs you are fretting about may not happen.
Spoken like someone who's not afraid of a second term of Donald Trump....
God speed.
Since you seem to have a crystal ball and have seen life in 2024 after a
potential second term. Care to share what it looks like so we can
revisit when the time actually comes? I have enough to worry about, playing Nostradamus is not on the top of my priorities. You voters seem to be doing a great job already, thank you!
You seem to have one too, since you're not concerned about a second term of Trump.
Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
My outlook comes from a position that does not see myself as being in a true position to change any of it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Your vote doesn't matter. Got it.
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The Juggler
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It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.
We still don't.
I never said we did. I was playing along with the imaginary scenario.
Except...you added the word "convicted," for some reason, which is obviously an enormous difference.
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.
We still don't.
I never said we did. I was playing along with the imaginary scenario.
Except...you added the word "convicted," for some reason, which is obviously an enormous difference.
The original premise was if we found this and all of trumps accusations to be true, no? Well being true would have to be proven and my understanding (not a lawyer) is that in America unless something can be proven legally in this case it isn’t true. So in the imaginary scenario for the accusations to be true wouldn’t both candidates have been found guilty and been convicted of being sex offenders. I didn’t add anything, the premise is that they are convicted by virtue of the truth of their guilt.
It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
I assume most of Trump's are true. He's scum and a nonstarter for me. So I do expect the Democrats to run someone who isn't just 1/25th as bad. Trump assaulting 25 women doesn't make your choice of nominee any more appealing because he only assaulted one.
Democrats are hell bent on proving we need a third party.
Nah...they're hell-bent on proving we need a second party.
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The Juggler
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It's basically a guy who can actually do the job, with one accusation verses a guy, who with a second term might very well end the world with twenty times as many accusations.
It's not even a question in my mind .
If this is true, it's not just an accusation anymore. That's an important point and key to what I'm saying.
If you assume this one is true, would you then not have to assume the 20+ Trump accusations are true too?
I mean there really is no way of knowing for sure either way. But it's like Al Franken verse Bill Cosby to some extent here....one is clearly worse than the other in my mind.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that if we FIND OUT THAT THIS IS TRUE then I won't be voting for Biden. Full stop.
Yeah but what if we find out Trump's 20+ accusations are true though? To make it fair, what would you do in that situation?
We're talking about a he said/she said from 30 years ago (and in Trump's case within the last 10-15 years). We will never know for sure either way.
"Yeah but Trump" is not going to work here. If we find out that Biden did this, he should not be the nominee. None of us should have to vote for him to defeat Trump.
there's that purity test again.
Yes, you do need to be little more pure than a known sex offender. And if this turns out to be true, that's what he'll be.
Why are you afraid to answer my question? I'll ask again:
What if we find out this accusation is true....and then we also find out all of Trump's 25 accusations are true.
Both are the nominees.
What would you do?
Not vote and protest along with the many others that would be out on the streets pissed that we have voted for the lesser of two evils for so long that we had the “choice” of which sex offender would be the president.
You make it seem like we've never had that "choice" before? Kind of naive of you, one would say...
To my knowledge in my lifetime we have not ever had convicted sex offenders on the ballot for President. At the risk of dating myself my first election was in 2000. So please elaborate on when USA had to vote between two convicted sex offenders for president.
We still don't.
I never said we did. I was playing along with the imaginary scenario.
Except...you added the word "convicted," for some reason, which is obviously an enormous difference.
The original premise was if we found this and all of trumps accusations to be true, no? Well being true would have to be proven and my understanding (not a lawyer) is that in America unless something can be proven legally in this case it isn’t true. So in the imaginary scenario for the accusations to be true wouldn’t both candidates have been found guilty and been convicted of being sex offenders. I didn’t add anything, the premise is that they are convicted by virtue of the truth of their guilt.
Nah.
That's precisely not what the premise was. If Trump or Biden were found guilty by a court of law, neither party would nominate them. I don't believe it's even possible in this case due statute of limitations.
The question was simply if we knew Biden's accusation was true and Trump's 25 accusations were true....what would you do?
And again, we've had nominees run for president with similar accusations before.
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God speed.
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
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Given what we've seen over the last few years, I'd say the odds of things ending badly outweigh your rosy outlook....
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Oh, absolutely agree one is better than the other. I don't believe we'll ever know for sure what, if anything, happened between Biden and Reade, and I'm still not convinced this kind of skeleton would stay hidden for this long in his closet. If the election were today he would get my vote.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
We have had nominees that have had accusations thrown their way before though...
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Nah...they're hell-bent on proving we need a second party.
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That's precisely not what the premise was. If Trump or Biden were found guilty by a court of law, neither party would nominate them. I don't believe it's even possible in this case due statute of limitations.
The question was simply if we knew Biden's accusation was true and Trump's 25 accusations were true....what would you do?
And again, we've had nominees run for president with similar accusations before.