Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,369
    pjl44 said:
    I look forward to reviewing his campaign finance filings and seeing how much money comes from undisclosed sources or super pacs.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    Amash then added, "I will never be President and have no idea what I'm talking about."

    US politics are hyper-partisan BY DESIGN.  
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    Let me know when Amash and his team go after tRUmp....
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,752
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Would you vote for Biden if it's never proven to be true?

    Not proven to be false. Just never proven to be true.
    I'm not voting for Biden either way 
    What would it take to get you to vote for Biden?
    Pick Jared Polis as VP? The Democrats this cycle, Biden included, haven't really focused on issues that I look to them for - less militarism, criminal justice reform, drug policy. There's been much more of a focus on stuff I disagree with - government run health care to varying degrees, student loan forgiveness, etc. A lot of stuff that I think is bad economic policy.
    Thx for thoughtful answer.

    What would it take to get you to vote for Trump?
    I can't think of anything that could get me to vote for Trump

    Every vote for Amash would be in effect a vote for trump.

    I know you will point to history that Rs are more likely to vote libertarian.  But that's old world logic.

    In the current world Republicans fall in line. 2016 proved that. Ds need to fall in love. That's why dirty politics hurts Ds more.Amash is taking a huge risk and will only help trump

    We are already seeing the attempt to prevent Ds from falling in love with Biden with the actions of Tara Email Server Reade.

    She had 30 years to file charges, rally her "witnesses " or publicly attack Biden. But she doesnt attack til now.

    Why would that be? 
    I just crunched the numbers and every vote for Amash would be a vote for Amash

    how long does it take to crunch zero votes - I’ll be nice and give him 2.

    Perhaps he will get the one ED allocation in ME or KS. 2 electoral votes would be a miracle.

    We should buy you the beautiful blonde trump wig. And the Tara Reade memoirs, to commemorate these Election Day efforts for Donny Boy.


  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    I look forward to reviewing his campaign finance filings and seeing how much money comes from undisclosed sources or super pacs.
    Piles and piles, hopefully. If you have leads on any who wanna dump some cash on the LP, please forward.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Let me know when Amash and his team go after tRUmp....
    Just read his Twitter feed for the last 3 years
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    Tara Reade on HRC endorsing Biden-

    "I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I voted for her in the primary. I'm a lifelong Democrat. But yet, what I see now is someone enabling a sexual predator and it was my former boss, Joe Biden, who raped me," Reade told Fox News. "Hillary Clinton has a history of enabling powerful men to cover up their sexual predatory behaviors and their inappropriate sexual misconduct. We don't need that for this country. We don't need that for our new generation coming up that wants institutional rape culture to change."

    So she says she voted for Hillary in '16 despite her "history of enabling powerful men to cover up their sexual predatory behaviors...". She had no problem with her then, but now is criticizing her for endorsing Biden? You'd think someone who was actually sexually assaulted and really believes Hillary has that kind of history with sexual predators wouldn't even consider voting for her in the first place right? Weird...


    strange....and she said she didn't come out about Biden before because she had so much respect for him.

    Really?  Respected someone who assaulted her?
    this doesn't pass the smell test.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,294
    I'm sitting this one out
    Tara Reade on HRC endorsing Biden-

    "I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I voted for her in the primary. I'm a lifelong Democrat. But yet, what I see now is someone enabling a sexual predator and it was my former boss, Joe Biden, who raped me," Reade told Fox News. "Hillary Clinton has a history of enabling powerful men to cover up their sexual predatory behaviors and their inappropriate sexual misconduct. We don't need that for this country. We don't need that for our new generation coming up that wants institutional rape culture to change."

    So she says she voted for Hillary in '16 despite her "history of enabling powerful men to cover up their sexual predatory behaviors...". She had no problem with her then, but now is criticizing her for endorsing Biden? You'd think someone who was actually sexually assaulted and really believes Hillary has that kind of history with sexual predators wouldn't even consider voting for her in the first place right? Weird...


    strange....and she said she didn't come out about Biden before because she had so much respect for him.

    Really?  Respected someone who assaulted her?

    https://ocrsm.umd.edu/files/Why-Is-Sexual-Assault-Under-Reported.pdf

    This is not uncommon, in fact it is more common not to come out after being sexually assaulted. We live in a fucked up world where the victims are shamed for how they handle being victimized, while according to this study 97% of the rapists walk free. Just think about what side of that argument you want to be on. It is very likely there are people on this forum that have been assaulted without speaking out and there are people on here who have done the assaulting and gotten away with it. It is a major problem that we only pretend to care about in this country, and when it includes prominent figures...forget about it.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    People keep bringing up all these big money bogeyman and I would like to state on the record: Bring it on! Soros, Koch, Adelson, Gates, DeVos, whomever. If you uncover any of these people dumping piles of cash on the LP, please post ASAP and I will be *stoked*.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    it just does not make sense for the right to potentially split their vote like this. they are going to team up.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,310
    Biden
    Tara Reade on HRC endorsing Biden-

    "I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I voted for her in the primary. I'm a lifelong Democrat. But yet, what I see now is someone enabling a sexual predator and it was my former boss, Joe Biden, who raped me," Reade told Fox News. "Hillary Clinton has a history of enabling powerful men to cover up their sexual predatory behaviors and their inappropriate sexual misconduct. We don't need that for this country. We don't need that for our new generation coming up that wants institutional rape culture to change."

    So she says she voted for Hillary in '16 despite her "history of enabling powerful men to cover up their sexual predatory behaviors...". She had no problem with her then, but now is criticizing her for endorsing Biden? You'd think someone who was actually sexually assaulted and really believes Hillary has that kind of history with sexual predators wouldn't even consider voting for her in the first place right? Weird...


    strange....and she said she didn't come out about Biden before because she had so much respect for him.

    Really?  Respected someone who assaulted her?
    this doesn't pass the smell test.

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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does
    the republicans are too smart when it comes to national elections. they will get their machine going and it is quite possible that this will happen. 

    if trump was concerned or angry about this, why has he not rage tweeted about it today? why is he not fearing being flanked by the right?

    i would not say take this to the bank, but don't rule it out.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,369
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    i think amash is a plant by the trump administration.

    amash voted to impeach and he left the gop. trump is going to extend an olive branch and squash the beef, and right wing media is going to say "see, trump holds no ill will against him, how presidential." they will join forces to beat "the radical left". it will also be the "you don't change presidents during wartime" strategy, and amash will bring his tea party bona fides to help reel in the never trumpers within the gop. just watch.
    This is not going to happen but I will give you full credit if it does
    the republicans are too smart when it comes to national elections. they will get their machine going and it is quite possible that this will happen. 

    if trump was concerned or angry about this, why has he not rage tweeted about it today? why is he not fearing being flanked by the right?

    i would not say take this to the bank, but don't rule it out.
    Gary Johnson and Bill Weld got 4.5 million votes in 2016. 2 Republican Governors. There's always a Libertarian candidate. This happens every Presidential election. 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    amash left the gop and voted to impeach. trump should be losing his shit right now, but he isn't. it is too suspicious that he is being quiet about this. this does not add up either.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,573
    I'm sitting this one out
    Are people really arguing that Amash is working with Trump?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,369
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    With no real life experience of how it would actually work as a functioning society to point to. Just ask a certain someone who hasn’t been around for awhile.

    Social media has never influenced anyone to vote for a particular candidate.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    This is my point exactly. We could all laugh at Alex Jones together and yet now...
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Oh please.  Get off the high horse.  It's not like libertarianism is some political force for change in this country.  It's nothing more than a protest vote. 
    How can you not read the last few pages of this thread and just put your head in your hands?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    Are people really arguing that Amash is working with Trump?
    In thinking about Amash running I was prepared for a lot of reactions, but did not see this one coming
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    This is my point exactly. We could all laugh at Alex Jones together and yet now...
    It just goes to show how each side can see what they want to see while the other side thinks it's crazy...because it is.

    Each side thinks their argument is based in reality and fact. Yuck. It is easy to get caught up in if you suspend disbelief.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    As a libertarian who has spent years embarrassed by the behavior of many ideological colleagues, I welcome my Republican and Democrat friends into this familiar world
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Democrats in 2020 are the goddamn best
    Yeah, I'm amazed at how easy it is for people to start spreading conspiracies after refuting the other side's conspiracy theories the last 4 years. It's disappointing.

    Oh well, time to get get back to my NYC pizza parlor...
    This is my point exactly. We could all laugh at Alex Jones together and yet now...
    It just goes to show how each side can see what they want to see while the other side thinks it's crazy...because it is.

    Each side thinks their argument is based in reality and fact. Yuck. It is easy to get caught up in if you suspend disbelief.
    I'm busting balls about it, but should clarify that I do realize it's a minority that just happens to be very vocal. Same with social media.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    People keep bringing up all these big money bogeyman and I would like to state on the record: Bring it on! Soros, Koch, Adelson, Gates, DeVos, whomever. If you uncover any of these people dumping piles of cash on the LP, please post ASAP and I will be *stoked*.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors?cid=N00031938&cycle=CAREER
    Nearly 40% of the corporate money Amash has raised is from 4 sources: 

    Cato Institute $35,000
    The Cato Institute was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Charles Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of the conglomerate Koch Industries. 

    Amway/Alticor Inc $163,205
    Alticor is a privately owned American corporation which is run by the DeVos family

    Windquest Group$92,275
    CEO and Founder Richard DeVos

    Club for Growth$275,605
    Founder: Stephen Moore - Donald Trump's Economic Advisor


    Nearly 14% ($196,000) came from Michigan Industrial Tools, aka Amash Imports
    Sector- Wholesale Trade. Trade Name- Michigan Industrial Tools, Amash Brothers Distributing. So
    MIT/Tekton doesn’t make anything, just “Imports” & “distributes” shit from China

    Amash is owned by the Republican party and China
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