Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,304
    Biden
    Important to remember that at this moment Joe Biden is not the nominee. He has not been formally nominated or elected. He is the presumptive nominee. It's unknown at this point what will happen to the Democratic Convention due to Corona, but figuring that out becomes more important everyday. If for no other reason than to be prepared.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    Here's a fresh interview with him where he discusses the decision, talks about the spoiler charge, etc.

    https://reason.com/2020/04/29/justin-amash-becomes-the-first-libertarian-member-of-congress/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    I'm a real person, Tiana Lowe is real journalist, and the Washington Examiner is a real outlet. If voters are indeed fleeing the Democrat candidate, a big reason is they've seen a chunk of their former allies lose their brains to conspiracy theories. 

    Washington examiner is a conservative rag owned by antigay, anti-transgender, and anti-abortion Christian conservative billionaire Philip Anschutz.  

    Tiana Lowe is a racist plagiarist fear-mongerer

    https://loomered.com/2019/06/24/washington-examiner-tiana-lowe-thot-patrolled/
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    pjl44 said:
    I'm a real person, Tiana Lowe is real journalist, and the Washington Examiner is a real outlet. If voters are indeed fleeing the Democrat candidate, a big reason is they've seen a chunk of their former allies lose their brains to conspiracy theories. 
    “Quarantiana?” Washington Examiner is “real.” Thanks for the chuckle.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    $100 says trump brings the biden accuser to a debate and sits her in the front row right in front of biden's podium.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    OnWis97 said:
    I see the Reade accusation going one of two ways: either kinda going away quietly and having minimal impact on the election or blowing up to the point that people start asking Biden to step away. 

    So what if Biden drops out.  I'm not sure exactly what would happen.  Do all of Bernie's votes vault him?  Does a running mate take over?  Do the super-delegates step in and pick someone?  Is the DNC already planing for this?

    (Ideally, I'd like this thread not to be about Trump or even the validity of the allegations...simply a what if that would apply if any major party candidate (particlarly DEM) drops out between May and November of an election year, for any reason).
    I believe, and I may be mistaken, that Sleepy Woke Joe, could pledge his delegates to whomever he’d like, if he were to drop out. But he ain’t dropping out unless he drops dead or is incapacitated in some manner.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    biden is not going to drop out. he is going to be the nominee and he is going to win.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,934
    $100 says trump brings the biden accuser to a debate and sits her in the front row right in front of biden's podium.
    I’ll add 100 and agree ! 
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,483
    Biden
    $100 says trump brings the biden accuser to a debate and sits her in the front row right in front of biden's podium.
    No doubt
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    The Sleepy Woke Joe camp ought to hire a bunch of scantily clad strippers to sit in front of Team Trump Treason's podium and wiggle and jiggle and wink and blow kisses to him. Or Stormy Daniels look-alikes.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,919
    Biden
    mfc2006 said:
    $100 says trump brings the biden accuser to a debate and sits her in the front row right in front of biden's podium.
    No doubt
    Heel wrestling tactics have worked for him so far. That’s why he’s a WWE Hall of Famer. That was unbelievable when he had the Clinton accusers there for the Hillary debate. Especially since I believe he had a slew of allegations against him that same week.  
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.

    Who's Occam and why does he/she get to have a barber?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    Biden
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.

    Who's Occam and why does he/she get to have a barber?
    It goes with his famous razor. Although it's ironic how many layers are in this statement,  considering the point of his razor. 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.

    This would apply directly to your regular inane ramblings about how a third party candidate can't be elected to office
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.

    Who's Occam and why does he/she get to have a barber?
    It goes with his famous razor. Although it's ironic how many layers are in this statement,  considering the point of his razor. 
    He has a razor too? What he really needs is a gun. Everybody knows you don't bring a razor to a gun fight.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,919
    Biden
    How pious of Joe. I wonder if he’d return a campaign donation from Bill Clinton. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,366
    You could check the FEC website, search by name, see if anything comes up?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,147
    He had the option to address and diffuse this while everyone was focused 100% on COVID but his team is taking the gamble on waiting it out.  I can see +/- for both approaches.

    Fox New is running full court press on the Tara accusation.  I don't see any coverage on ABC, NBC, CBS, or CNN (which would be 'no duh' except for the Larry King angle).  But Fox News probably has viewership equal to those other 4 networks combined.  


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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,195
    Biden
    The Sleepy Woke Joe camp ought to hire a bunch of scantily clad strippers to sit in front of Team Trump Treason's podium and wiggle and jiggle and wink and blow kisses to him. Or Stormy Daniels look-alikes.

    Or just put Trump's 20 or so accusers in the first two rows.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    Every day it's getting a little louder


  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    Well it’s obviously Bernie’s fault oh and the Russians and AG Barr
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Biden
    Everyone needs to watch their tone, please. There is an escalating stream of posts that are NOT discussing politely. Timeouts will have to be enacted in an effort to reverse this trend if you do not do it yourselves. If it happens, it will be by your own words. 
    Thank you for cooperating.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,304
    Biden
    He's refusing to release his Senate papers? That's ominous. (Yes, I know Trump hasn't released his tax returns, medical records, etc.)
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,674
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    He's refusing to release his Senate papers? That's ominous. (Yes, I know Trump hasn't released his tax returns, medical records, etc.)
    Exactly....I hate that my attitude is that Biden's assaults are less numerous than Trump's but that is where I am at.  
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    Biden
    There is no upside to Biden releasing 4 decades of senate papers.  That would be a huge mistake regardless of this Tara Reade deal. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:


    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
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