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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,304
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    There is no upside to Biden releasing 4 decades of senate papers.  That would be a huge mistake regardless of this Tara Reade deal. 

    Maybe. I'm just kinda surprised they aren't public already. They have been turned over to a university and he has been out of the Senate for 12 years.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,919
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    There is no upside to Biden releasing 4 decades of senate papers.  That would be a huge mistake regardless of this Tara Reade deal. 
    I agree on the Senate papers, but he should sit down for an interview and offer some explanation. Better to get it out of the way sooner than later. Even if it's a softball interview with a handpicked MSNBC interviewer that can help him through the interview and try to ensure he come out looking good. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There is no upside to Biden releasing 4 decades of senate papers.  That would be a huge mistake regardless of this Tara Reade deal. 

    Maybe. I'm just kinda surprised they aren't public already. They have been turned over to a university and he has been out of the Senate for 12 years.
    It's usually connected to the actual retirement of public life.  Gore still has never released his, to my knowledge.  Romney sealed his before he ran for president.  I don't believe Kerry opened his up either.  While the intention is for historians, it's ripe for misuse by political operatives, obviously. 
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,304
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There is no upside to Biden releasing 4 decades of senate papers.  That would be a huge mistake regardless of this Tara Reade deal. 

    Maybe. I'm just kinda surprised they aren't public already. They have been turned over to a university and he has been out of the Senate for 12 years.
    It's usually connected to the actual retirement of public life.  Gore still has never released his, to my knowledge.  Romney sealed his before he ran for president.  I don't believe Kerry opened his up either.  While the intention is for historians, it's ripe for misuse by political operatives, obviously. 

    Gotcha. Makes sense.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,304
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    My worry is that some Democratic strategist who has been wrong about everything since Al Gore gets in Biden's ear and convinces him that he needs to get in front of this by saying something, by taking responsibility for something, by apologizing for something, and we get a tear-filled interview in which Biden apologizes for "mistakes" in the past but never states what those are, etc, as if that will fix anything. And I worry about this even if he didn't do it, and I remain unconvinced that he did. Hell, Al Franken apologized and ever since has been claiming he didn't do it. 

    This is coming and it will be a disaster.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,368
    "Not being reported?" CNN online today. The Stacy Abrams piece was from CNN's Don Lemon last night.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-new-york-times/index.html

    Splitting hairs? I read the original NYT and WaPo articles and came to the same conclusion. Sexual harassment, made to feel uncomfortable, asked to serve drinks, inappropriate touching? Maybe. Sexual assault? Not likely that it happened for all the reasons I've previously listed.

    I expect Team Trump Treason to remain mum, even if asked, and allow his surrogates to keep hammering away at Sleepy Woke Joe. That's how a whisper campaign is designed to work. The Pakistani news agency report of the after midnight podcast of the original allegation gets picked up by the wire services and the opposition keeps screaming until the lame stream media picks it up and reports on it, as is happening now. All for someone who has "been trying to tell her story since 1993," and has, "no intention of filing a civil suit." Justice, political style.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    but Tara Reade is the new but her emails is the new but Benghazi

    there's nothing there, but it sure gets the mouth-breathers riled up
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,294
    edited April 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:


    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    This is coming from a self proclaimed propaganda detector on Twitter so you know it is the smoking gun everyone has been after. Alert the press, @lizburgh has cracked the case!! I just realized she has a goal for a new laptop and is only 54% there, I beg of you all to please go help her get this laptop so she can detect all of the propaganda.

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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JW269453 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:


    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    This is coming from a self proclaimed propaganda detector on Twitter so you know it is the smoking gun everyone has been after. Alert the press, @lizburgh has cracked the case!!


  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Biden
    but what about hunter biden?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,368
    Nixon died in 1994.

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    https://www.jstor.org/stable/27551564?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

     
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.

    This would apply directly to your regular inane ramblings about how a third party candidate can't be elected to office
    Amash will never be President
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    edited April 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.

    This would apply directly to your regular inane ramblings about how a third party candidate can't be elected to office
    Amash will never be President
    Maybe not, but as of this morning there is officially a Libertarian House Rep. Let's all keep an eye on the Constitution today and see if it spontaneously combusts.
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,294
    I'm sitting this one out
    CM189191 said:
    JW269453 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:


    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    This is coming from a self proclaimed propaganda detector on Twitter so you know it is the smoking gun everyone has been after. Alert the press, @lizburgh has cracked the case!!


    So are you presenting this twitter users detective findings as fact? Asking for Occam's barber.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    CM189191 said:
    but Tara Reade is the new but her emails is the new but Benghazi

    there's nothing there, but it sure gets the mouth-breathers riled up
    yup
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,195
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Every day it's getting a little louder




    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    This is coming from a self proclaimed propaganda detector on Twitter so you know it is the smoking gun everyone has been after. Alert the press, @lizburgh has cracked the case!! I just realized she has a goal for a new laptop and is only 54% there, I beg of you all to please go help her get this laptop so she can detect all of the propaganda.

    As a libtard, I am doing what I am supposed to be doing and believing women. That said, tweets written by a US-born lawyer in a very ESL style is the first thing that's made me question this. These are really fishy.  You mock the tweeter of this, but unless she doctored those tweets, I'd be curious as to why it's irrelevant.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,304
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    Believe all women but you are a "mouth-breather" if you believe this woman?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    Biden
    I'm glad I never said I believe all women.  Women are humans, like men.  They lie, they tell the truth.  They exaggerate, they minimize.  Whoever thought of that hashtag should be summarily beaten due to stupidity and short sighted-ness.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm glad I never said I believe all women.  Women are humans, like men.  They lie, they tell the truth.  They exaggerate, they minimize.  Whoever thought of that hashtag should be summarily beaten due to stupidity and short sighted-ness.
    "Believe all women" should be "Hear out all women." Not as catchy, but still.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    It is pretty wild how many Inception layers deep people are willing to go rather than just accept another person has different views than they do
    Oh, I get that people have different views but many of those different views aren’t grounded in reality or facts. Carry on.

    This would apply directly to your regular inane ramblings about how a third party candidate can't be elected to office
    Amash will never be President
    Maybe not, but as of this morning there is officially a Libertarian House Rep. Let's all keep an eye on the Constitution today and see if it spontaneously combusts.
    A Libertarian who was elected as a Republican.  A Libertarian who still has to vote yay or nay, and will always side with Republican party lines when push comes to shove.

    Libertarians now hold 0.2% of the House seats, while the major parties hold the other 99.8%.  Nice job torpedoing your political career Amash.  Just like Rand Paul, he'll never be taken seriously in the halls of Congress again.  Unless he decides to completely stick to his guns and become a Democrat.  Until that happens, he's rendered himself powerless

    This doesn't change the fundamentals of US gov't.  We are not set up as a multi-party system.  We do not have a Parliamentary system. 

    We are still a 2 party system; Checks and balances are still in the 3 branches.  Amash will never be President.


  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:


    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    Is that really her account? If it is, it does seem fishy. Says she joined Twitter in October of '18, just before the election cycle started to heat  up. But didn't make her first tweet until March 1st of this year with what looks like a broken English tweet about a her daughter, complete with an emoji. It has a picture of someone supposed to be her daughter with a weird white outline around it, almost as if it was cropped from some website. All her tweets are written in a strange fashion. I dunno. Seems weird to me....
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,674
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    JW269453 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Every day it's getting a little louder




    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    This is coming from a self proclaimed propaganda detector on Twitter so you know it is the smoking gun everyone has been after. Alert the press, @lizburgh has cracked the case!! I just realized she has a goal for a new laptop and is only 54% there, I beg of you all to please go help her get this laptop so she can detect all of the propaganda.

    As a libtard, I am doing what I am supposed to be doing and believing women. That said, tweets written by a US-born lawyer in a very ESL style is the first thing that's made me question this. These are really fishy.  You mock the tweeter of this, but unless she doctored those tweets, I'd be curious as to why it's irrelevant.

    And where was she when Biden was running as VP?  A heartbeat away from the oval....why not then?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:


    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    Is that really her account? If it is, it does seem fishy. Says she joined Twitter in October of '18, just before the election cycle started to heat  up. But didn't make her first tweet until March 1st of this year with what looks like a broken English tweet about a her daughter, complete with an emoji. It has a picture of someone supposed to be her daughter with a weird white outline around it, almost as if it was cropped from some website. All her tweets are written in a strange fashion. I dunno. Seems weird to me....
    Then I clicked on her website link in her bio and this happened:
     

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm glad I never said I believe all women.  Women are humans, like men.  They lie, they tell the truth.  They exaggerate, they minimize.  Whoever thought of that hashtag should be summarily beaten due to stupidity and short sighted-ness.
    Absolutely never bought "believe all women"
    Hear all women.  Listen to all accusations.  Give all women the benefit of doubt even, but not believe all women.
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,294
    I'm sitting this one out
    OnWis97 said:
    JW269453 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Every day it's getting a little louder




    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    This is coming from a self proclaimed propaganda detector on Twitter so you know it is the smoking gun everyone has been after. Alert the press, @lizburgh has cracked the case!! I just realized she has a goal for a new laptop and is only 54% there, I beg of you all to please go help her get this laptop so she can detect all of the propaganda.

    As a libtard, I am doing what I am supposed to be doing and believing women. That said, tweets written by a US-born lawyer in a very ESL style is the first thing that's made me question this. These are really fishy.  You mock the tweeter of this, but unless she doctored those tweets, I'd be curious as to why it's irrelevant.

    The point is a certain user posted that spreading opinions that are not factual make you a liar and a fraud. The same user then presents an opinion from a twitter user and assumes it is factual. This has nothing to do with women.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    JW269453 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Every day it's getting a little louder




    Why are Russian bots controlling Tara Reade's Twitter account?  Seems odd....
    This is coming from a self proclaimed propaganda detector on Twitter so you know it is the smoking gun everyone has been after. Alert the press, @lizburgh has cracked the case!! I just realized she has a goal for a new laptop and is only 54% there, I beg of you all to please go help her get this laptop so she can detect all of the propaganda.

    As a libtard, I am doing what I am supposed to be doing and believing women. That said, tweets written by a US-born lawyer in a very ESL style is the first thing that's made me question this. These are really fishy.  You mock the tweeter of this, but unless she doctored those tweets, I'd be curious as to why it's irrelevant.

    The point is a certain user posted that spreading opinions that are not factual make you a liar and a fraud. The same user then presents an opinion from a twitter user and assumes it is factual. This has nothing to do with women.
    Look at the twitter account for yourself. It's quite odd.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    edited April 2020
    Biden
    The twitter account kind of reminds of that twitter account that magically popped up 4 years from a guy who claimed to be Bill Clinton's son from when he impregnated some random woman in Arkansas. That looked like it was operated by Russian bots as well. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,780
    I'm sitting this one out
    The Twitter sleuthing from a sketchy account went so well last time. Let's definitely journey down this path again.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,304
    Biden
    Even is she truly does have no intention of bringing a lawsuit, would she really have no lawyer urging her to stay the hell off of Twitter?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,826
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    Even is she truly does have no intention of bringing a lawsuit, would she really have no lawyer urging her to stay the hell off of Twitter?
    Yeah good point.  She would have a lawyer.  
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