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So will Aftershock. It’s just a matter of when. 

matt84 said:

Luckytwn1 said:

Latest from Rolling Stone on concerts happening this fall. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/promoters-doctors-different-concert-timelines-985662/

“the experts all agree on one thing: Major festivals and large-scale concerts are unlikely to proceed in 2020” And that’s just talking generally, not specifically about CA and NY where the government has already given clear indications there will be no events in 2020 with large crowds. The article notes Newsom’s stance on the position. “California Gov. Gavin Newsom has been repeatedly vocal in his disbelief that any sort of mass gathering would be able to take place in the state before the end of the year.”

Then why did Coachella get rescheduled to early October? The experts and the Governor would have had all the information two months ago regarding when social events would seem likely.

I think there's been a fair number of unknowns and conflicting information.  The thing about the Coronavirus is that no one (in Modern Times) has been through something like this.  For a while I think there was optimism this might all blow over in a few months.   Conflicting information was being tossed around between governments, media, and medical specialists.   I think some bands (and festivals) were optimistic all they had to do was bump the dates to after the summer.

The deeper we get into this, the more likely it looks like that will possible.

I think there is time to see if a treatment, vaccine (unlikely), or herd immunity arises before cancelling fall shows.  No need to decide quite yet, give it a few more weeks to play out.  And then cancel if we’re still nowhere.

That said, I think the postponements we have seen in the industry from spring to specific fall dates is a bit of promoter fiction in an effort to delay/deny refunds.  I wouldn’t use that as a basis to think we will actually see fall shows.

The_Giant_Midget said:

more good news & another reason not to rush decisions - http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/mediapubhpdetail.cfm?prid=2328

Why are you posting good news? It’s April 2020, any moderately positive news will be analyzed and spun as a negative. No concerts until 2024 at the earliest and no leaving your home until a vaccine is 100% effective! After all that’s what I read on Twitter, must be true? We all know how serious the situation is but click bait news has elevated the hysteria to comical levels over the past few weeks. Everyone needs to stay calm until probably June 1st when we can properly analyze the data and then decide if the world is ending or not. Until then all these prognostications, good or bad have no real weight. This Pandemic is in its infancy in terms of scientific knowledge. Let the experts do there job, don’t rush the process and stop guessing when PJ will take the stage again. It’s a pointless exercise that will only drive you insane. Take it from a guy who went there for the better part of March. 

Luckytwn1 said:

lastexit78 said:

The_Giant_Midget said:

more good news & another reason not to rush decisions - http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/mediapubhpdetail.cfm?prid=2328

Why are you posting good news? It’s April 2020, any moderately positive news will be analyzed and spun as a negative. No concerts until 2024 at the earliest and no leaving your home until a vaccine is 100% effective! After all that’s what I read on Twitter, must be true? We all know how serious the situation is but click bait news has elevated the hysteria to comical levels over the past few weeks. Everyone needs to stay calm until probably June 1st when we can properly analyze the data and then decide if the world is ending or not. Until then all these prognostications, good or bad have no real weight. This Pandemic is in its infancy in terms of scientific knowledge. Let the experts do there job, don’t rush the process and stop guessing when PJ will take the stage again. It’s a pointless exercise that will only drive you insane. Take it from a guy who went there for the better part of March. 

Try again. There’s no hysteria. It is a fact the Governor of California and the Mayor of the largest city in the State have both stated that they foresee no events in their locales with large crowds for the rest of the year. They both said it in public and their comments received wide publicity. That’s not Twitter, that’s not speculation, it is straight from the people making the decisions. You can say whatever you want as it pertains to a State those men do not make decisions for but as for Southern California, what is going to happen is not something people are getting from Twitter. 

Plus, what was posted about immunity rates is hardly good news. As another poster pointed out, herd immunity is considered to be 70 percent. Right now the study estimates 4-5% have been exposed. It is a long way until there is herd immunity. 

I give up and this my last Covid post of any kind on the boards, it’s pointless to argue a completely unknown future. I personally don’t think we’ll see any large events this year so I’m not arguing that point. I’m also in favor of CA stay at home orders extending through May. But this is also the same Governor who predicted even with stay at home orders we could reach 25 million cases in our state within two months. That’s the hysteria I’m talking about. Also these antibody tests are very important if only for how they impact the mortality rate. How is the news that Covid-19 potentially only caused 600 out of 400,000 deaths instead of 8,000 “hardly good news?” I understand we would love a higher herd % but it’s not there and if it were there would be millions dead. Like I said everything is spun into a negative at this point. I consider the below paragraph as a positive. There’s a chance with enough of these tests that the mortality rate gets proven to be well under 1%, I consider that good news in a world full of awful news. Anyway everyone stay healthy and we’ll eventually get through this.

Based on results of the first round of testing, the research team estimates that approximately 4.1% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus. Adjusting this estimate for statistical margin of error implies about 2.8% to 5.6% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus- which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have had the infection. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county by the time of the study in early April. The number of COVID-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600.

The lower than previously thought mortality rate implied by that study is good news, but if the contagiousness remains as high as it is thought to be, the study doesn’t move the needle on concerts happening.  Ohana would be great, but a refund would be okay too.

Oktoberfest in Germany is cancelled.  Was supposed to be Sep 19-Oct 4.

Don’t worry, Trump will have Fauci fired for spreading fake news. We gotta get Mar A Lago and other Trump resorts open asap. Stimulus money will only go so far for President incompetence. He needs more military money and stuff funding his resorts. We will all be good when all these scientists and doctors just shut up and leave it in the hands of corrupt businessmen and politicians. They are the real heroes here people. Remember that. 

JPPJ84 said:

fwiw: Glen Hansard just said in his Instagram live show that it’s heartbreaking that he probably won’t get to play with The Frames this year. They’re only scheduled for two shows. Dublin on June 20th and Ohana.

Watching that too. What an amazing voice.