“the experts all agree on one thing: Major festivals and large-scale concerts are unlikely to proceed in 2020” And that’s just talking generally, not specifically about CA and NY where the government has already given clear indications there will be no events in 2020 with large crowds. The article notes Newsom’s stance on the position. “California Gov. Gavin Newsom has been repeatedly vocal in his disbelief that any sort of mass gathering would be able to take place in the state before the end of the year.”
Then why did Coachella get rescheduled to early October? The experts and the Governor would have had all the information two months ago regarding when social events would seem likely.
Not to make light of Covid-19 but why did this have to happen the year Pearl Jam releases the greatness that is Gigaton, Rage reunites, Fiona Apple changes music with her brilliance and so on and so on. Great year for music so far is all I’m saying.
“the experts all agree on one thing: Major festivals and large-scale concerts are unlikely to proceed in 2020” And that’s just talking generally, not specifically about CA and NY where the government has already given clear indications there will be no events in 2020 with large crowds. The article notes Newsom’s stance on the position. “California Gov. Gavin Newsom has been repeatedly vocal in his disbelief that any sort of mass gathering would be able to take place in the state before the end of the year.”
Then why did Coachella get rescheduled to early October? The experts and the Governor would have had all the information two months ago regarding when social events would seem likely.
I think there's been a fair number of unknowns and conflicting information. The thing about the Coronavirus is that no one (in Modern Times) has been through something like this. For a while I think there was optimism this might all blow over in a few months. Conflicting information was being tossed around between governments, media, and medical specialists. I think some bands (and festivals) were optimistic all they had to do was bump the dates to after the summer.
The deeper we get into this, the more likely it looks like that will possible.
Anyone who thinks any sort of in-person concert, let alone festival, will be held this year or even well into next year, is just plain living in fantasy land. It's nice to see some positivity given our current situation, but you all are just setting yourselves up for disappointment. Our society needs a real vaccine, not only tested and developed, but manufactured on a widespread scale and then distributed to the majority of the population. That will take us minimally through the end of this year. Some experts are even saying the end of next year. I've completely written off this year, but that is just a given. What I'm worried about is it extending through next summer, which is a very, very real possibility.
All that said, I don't know about anyone else who is on the layaway plan, but I don't feel good about paying out a large chunk of money every month through September. I'm hearing not much is coming from the festival organizers, so I'm thinking about just putting a stop payment on these and cutting my losses. Given the clusterf*ck with refunds from Ticketmaster and other businesses going on, I'd rather not pay out more money not knowing when/if I'll ever see it again.
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I think there is time to see if a treatment, vaccine (unlikely), or herd immunity arises before cancelling fall shows. No need to decide quite yet, give it a few more weeks to play out. And then cancel if we’re still nowhere.
That said, I think the postponements we have seen in the industry from spring to specific fall dates is a bit of promoter fiction in an effort to delay/deny refunds. I wouldn’t use that as a basis to think we will actually see fall shows.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Received this from the SeaHearNow folks, for whatever it's worth:
"Sea.Hear.Now is proceeding as planned, and we are excited
to welcome everyone to the event in September. The safety of our fans, artists,
and staff is always our top priority and planned for accordingly. In the event of a full cancelation for any
reason, tickets will be refunded."
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There has been a handful of these same studies all over the world all saying the same thing. More people have been infected then the positive tests are telling us and the mortality rate is a lot lower than what the numbers are telling us as well though still higher than the flu. 4.1% of the county being infected is a far cry from getting close to heard immunity however. We have a long ways to go to achieve that.
Why are you posting good news? It’s April 2020, any moderately positive news will be analyzed and spun as a negative. No concerts until 2024 at the earliest and no leaving your home until a vaccine is 100% effective! After all that’s what I read on Twitter, must be true? We all know how serious the situation is but click bait news has elevated the hysteria to comical levels over the past few weeks. Everyone needs to stay calm until probably June 1st when we can properly analyze the data and then decide if the world is ending or not. Until then all these prognostications, good or bad have no real weight. This Pandemic is in its infancy in terms of scientific knowledge. Let the experts do there job, don’t rush the process and stop guessing when PJ will take the stage again. It’s a pointless exercise that will only drive you insane. Take it from a guy who went there for the better part of March.
Why are you posting good news? It’s April 2020, any moderately positive news will be analyzed and spun as a negative. No concerts until 2024 at the earliest and no leaving your home until a vaccine is 100% effective! After all that’s what I read on Twitter, must be true? We all know how serious the situation is but click bait news has elevated the hysteria to comical levels over the past few weeks. Everyone needs to stay calm until probably June 1st when we can properly analyze the data and then decide if the world is ending or not. Until then all these prognostications, good or bad have no real weight. This Pandemic is in its infancy in terms of scientific knowledge. Let the experts do there job, don’t rush the process and stop guessing when PJ will take the stage again. It’s a pointless exercise that will only drive you insane. Take it from a guy who went there for the better part of March.
Try again. There’s no hysteria. It is a fact the Governor of California and the Mayor of the largest city in the State have both stated that they foresee no events in their locales with large crowds for the rest of the year. They both said it in public and their comments received wide publicity. That’s not Twitter, that’s not speculation, it is straight from the people making the decisions. You can say whatever you want as it pertains to a State those men do not make decisions for but as for Southern California, what is going to happen is not something people are getting from Twitter.
Plus, what was posted about immunity rates is hardly good news. As another poster pointed out, herd immunity is considered to be 70 percent. Right now the study estimates 4-5% have been exposed. It is a long way until there is herd immunity.
Why are you posting good news? It’s April 2020, any moderately positive news will be analyzed and spun as a negative. No concerts until 2024 at the earliest and no leaving your home until a vaccine is 100% effective! After all that’s what I read on Twitter, must be true? We all know how serious the situation is but click bait news has elevated the hysteria to comical levels over the past few weeks. Everyone needs to stay calm until probably June 1st when we can properly analyze the data and then decide if the world is ending or not. Until then all these prognostications, good or bad have no real weight. This Pandemic is in its infancy in terms of scientific knowledge. Let the experts do there job, don’t rush the process and stop guessing when PJ will take the stage again. It’s a pointless exercise that will only drive you insane. Take it from a guy who went there for the better part of March.
Try again. There’s no hysteria. It is a fact the Governor of California and the Mayor of the largest city in the State have both stated that they foresee no events in their locales with large crowds for the rest of the year. They both said it in public and their comments received wide publicity. That’s not Twitter, that’s not speculation, it is straight from the people making the decisions. You can say whatever you want as it pertains to a State those men do not make decisions for but as for Southern California, what is going to happen is not something people are getting from Twitter.
Plus, what was posted about immunity rates is hardly good news. As another poster pointed out, herd immunity is considered to be 70 percent. Right now the study estimates 4-5% have been exposed. It is a long way until there is herd immunity.
I give up and this my last Covid post of any kind on the boards, it’s pointless to argue a completely unknown future. I personally don’t think we’ll see any large events this year so I’m not arguing that point. I’m also in favor of CA stay at home orders extending through May. But this is also the same Governor who predicted even with stay at home orders we could reach 25 million cases in our state within two months. That’s the hysteria I’m talking about. Also these antibody tests are very important if only for how they impact the mortality rate. How is the news that Covid-19 potentially only caused 600 out of 400,000 deaths instead of 8,000 “hardly good news?” I understand we would love a higher herd % but it’s not there and if it were there would be millions dead. Like I said everything is spun into a negative at this point. I consider the below paragraph as a positive. There’s a chance with enough of these tests that the mortality rate gets proven to be well under 1%, I consider that good news in a world full of awful news. Anyway everyone stay healthy and we’ll eventually get through this.
Based on results of the first round of testing, the research team estimates that approximately 4.1% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus. Adjusting this estimate for statistical margin of error implies about 2.8% to 5.6% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus- which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have had the infection. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county by the time of the study in early April. The number of COVID-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600.
No, it’s not being spun as a negative. It is certainly good info the scientists need to understand the virus but where it was being “spun” was when it was presented in this thread as if it increased the likelihood for concerts taking place later in the year in California. In fact, that particular piece of data does not increase the chances of concerts happening in CA at all.
Note what the scientist who led the study said: “With just 4% of the population infected with the disease, LA County is still very early in the epidemic, said USC professor Neeraj Sood, who led the study. “Many more people in L.A. County could potentially be infected and as those number of infections rise, so will the number of deaths, the number of hospitalizations and the number of ICU admissions,” he said.
The lower than previously thought mortality rate implied by that study is good news, but if the contagiousness remains as high as it is thought to be, the study doesn’t move the needle on concerts happening. Ohana would be great, but a refund would be okay too.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I trust the doctors and scientists over politicians, social media and message board posters, but that's just me. Fauci and many others who know a hell of a lot more than us, say that large gatherings are a terrible idea and strongly advising against it for the rest of this year, and possibly through the end of next year, at the far end of the spectrum. That was directly stated by Fauci. Call it hysteria if you want, but I respect the experts. I also respect history, and if you look at the 1918 H1N1 pandemic, it came in multiple waves, and the subsequent waves came on worse, after restrictions were eased and lifted. The only way things will get back to normal is if/when this either just disappears, or we have a fully effective and distributed vaccine to the whole populace. It's not about negatives or positives or hysteria, it's the reality we are faced with. People who think everything's going back to normal by the end of summer, or fall for that matter, need to get out of fantasy land.
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Don’t worry, Trump will have Fauci fired for spreading fake news. We gotta get Mar A Lago and other Trump resorts open asap. Stimulus money will only go so far for President incompetence. He needs more military money and stuff funding his resorts. We will all be good when all these scientists and doctors just shut up and leave it in the hands of corrupt businessmen and politicians. They are the real heroes here people. Remember that.
USA. First in cases and first in deaths. We’re number one. Thank god for washed up orange reality stars.
fwiw: Glen Hansard just said in his Instagram live show that it’s heartbreaking that he probably won’t get to play with The Frames this year. They’re only scheduled for two shows. Dublin on June 20th and Ohana.
fwiw: Glen Hansard just said in his Instagram live show that it’s heartbreaking that he probably won’t get to play with The Frames this year. They’re only scheduled for two shows. Dublin on June 20th and Ohana.
fwiw: Glen Hansard just said in his Instagram live show that it’s heartbreaking that he probably won’t get to play with The Frames this year. They’re only scheduled for two shows. Dublin on June 20th and Ohana.
fwiw: Glen Hansard just said in his Instagram live show that it’s heartbreaking that he probably won’t get to play with The Frames this year. They’re only scheduled for two shows. Dublin on June 20th and Ohana.
Watching that too. What an amazing voice.
Yes! Have loved him and The Frames for ages!! I have tickets for the Dublin show, let’s hope they just postpone
I trust the doctors and scientists over politicians, social media and message board posters, but that's just me. Fauci and many others who know a hell of a lot more than us, say that large gatherings are a terrible idea and strongly advising against it for the rest of this year, and possibly through the end of next year, at the far end of the spectrum. That was directly stated by Fauci. Call it hysteria if you want, but I respect the experts. I also respect history, and if you look at the 1918 H1N1 pandemic, it came in multiple waves, and the subsequent waves came on worse, after restrictions were eased and lifted. The only way things will get back to normal is if/when this either just disappears, or we have a fully effective and distributed vaccine to the whole populace. It's not about negatives or positives or hysteria, it's the reality we are faced with. People who think everything's going back to normal by the end of summer, or fall for that matter, need to get out of fantasy land.
Yes. And if the people in states run by moronic governors go back to "normal" too soon and cases increase... those of us in states with reasonable governors will be working while they shut down again and some workers get laid off... again.
Life is Beautiful festival, Sept 18-20, has been canceled
This is the first fall festival canceled as far as I am aware of and puts some bad writing on the wall for any 2020 shows
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II
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Philly 2-4 '09
Newark '10
MSG 1+2 '10
E.V. Beacon 1+2 '11
Made in America Festival '12
Worcester 1+2 '13
Brooklyn 1+2 '13
Global Citizens Festival '15
MSG 1+2 '16
Fenway Park 1+2 '16
Ohana '17
Home Shows 1+2 '18
Ohana '18
Ohana '19
Sea Hear Now '21
Ohana '21
LA 1+2 '22
Austin 1+2 '23
Ohana '23
The deeper we get into this, the more likely it looks like that will possible.
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That said, I think the postponements we have seen in the industry from spring to specific fall dates is a bit of promoter fiction in an effort to delay/deny refunds. I wouldn’t use that as a basis to think we will actually see fall shows.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Philly 2-4 '09
Newark '10
MSG 1+2 '10
E.V. Beacon 1+2 '11
Made in America Festival '12
Worcester 1+2 '13
Brooklyn 1+2 '13
Global Citizens Festival '15
MSG 1+2 '16
Fenway Park 1+2 '16
Ohana '17
Home Shows 1+2 '18
Ohana '18
Ohana '19
Sea Hear Now '21
Ohana '21
LA 1+2 '22
Austin 1+2 '23
Ohana '23
nowadays hits you when you're young
Based on results of the first round of testing, the research team estimates that approximately 4.1% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus. Adjusting this estimate for statistical margin of error implies about 2.8% to 5.6% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus- which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have had the infection. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county by the time of the study in early April. The number of COVID-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
nowadays hits you when you're young
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
This is the first fall festival canceled as far as I am aware of and puts some bad writing on the wall for any 2020 shows
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023