Ohana Festival | Sea.Hear.Now Festival

If it still goes on later in the year. Are masks and gloves going to be mandatory? I am almost accepting I may never go to another show again if the guidelines for public events changes. Imagine the lines to get in shows with all the precautions in place. Plus a mask on during a show. No thanks. 

gotthebottle said:

November in Dana Point is fine....weather wise...

I’m in.

im in the small minority on these boards but I think it's going to happen in September for a number of reasons. lot can change in 5 months. positive vibes.

Luckytwn1 said:

The_Giant_Midget said:

im in the small minority on these boards but I think it's going to happen in September for a number of reasons. lot can change in 5 months. positive vibes.

Well, you’re a fan on a message board. How about we ask Governor Newsom? As it happens, he was asked today about mass gatherings in California. He foresees no mass attendance events in the state until there is a vaccine:

’The prospect of mass gatherings is negligible at best until we get to herd immunity and we get to a vaccine,” Newsom said. “So large-scale events that bring in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of strangers altogether across every conceivable difference, health and otherwise, is not in the cards based upon our current guidelines and current expectations.”

There is no chance Ohana is happening in September. 

https://www.mercurynews.com/governor-newsom-mass-gatherings-not-in-the-cards-when-california-lockdown-is-lifted

You  are aware that there are two ways to get to herd immunity though right? What if we get there in the next 4 months? 

PJNB said:

Luckytwn1 said:

The_Giant_Midget said:

im in the small minority on these boards but I think it's going to happen in September for a number of reasons. lot can change in 5 months. positive vibes.

Well, you’re a fan on a message board. How about we ask Governor Newsom? As it happens, he was asked today about mass gatherings in California. He foresees no mass attendance events in the state until there is a vaccine:

’The prospect of mass gatherings is negligible at best until we get to herd immunity and we get to a vaccine,” Newsom said. “So large-scale events that bring in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of strangers altogether across every conceivable difference, health and otherwise, is not in the cards based upon our current guidelines and current expectations.”

There is no chance Ohana is happening in September. 

https://www.mercurynews.com/governor-newsom-mass-gatherings-not-in-the-cards-when-california-lockdown-is-lifted

You  are aware that there are two ways to get to herd immunity though right? What if we get there in the next 4 months? 

The other way kills a couple million Americans in a few months. I doubt we go that route so we can get back to concerts and sports more quickly. 

ComeToTX said:

PJNB said:

Luckytwn1 said:

The_Giant_Midget said:

im in the small minority on these boards but I think it's going to happen in September for a number of reasons. lot can change in 5 months. positive vibes.

Well, you’re a fan on a message board. How about we ask Governor Newsom? As it happens, he was asked today about mass gatherings in California. He foresees no mass attendance events in the state until there is a vaccine:

’The prospect of mass gatherings is negligible at best until we get to herd immunity and we get to a vaccine,” Newsom said. “So large-scale events that bring in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of strangers altogether across every conceivable difference, health and otherwise, is not in the cards based upon our current guidelines and current expectations.”

There is no chance Ohana is happening in September. 

https://www.mercurynews.com/governor-newsom-mass-gatherings-not-in-the-cards-when-california-lockdown-is-lifted

You  are aware that there are two ways to get to herd immunity though right? What if we get there in the next 4 months? 

The other way kills a couple million Americans in a few months. I doubt we go that route so we can get back to concerts and sports more quickly. 

We still do not know how many people have contracted this virus already and believe it or not we have no idea what the real death rate is. To say a few million people would die to get herd immunity is not accurate since the numbers you are using to get to that number is not accurate. We are only as good as our testing and our testing is still shit. 

 A good example of this is what Germany is doing. They tested a group of 500 people in a municipality called Gangelt. 14% of those tested either have or had the virus knowingly or not. That is nowheres near the 60% needed to get to herd immunity but the good news out of the study is they were able to recalculate their death rate in the city using these numbers and they determined it to be 0.37%. Way below the global average but still considerably higher than the flu. This is one study in one city. More will need to be done imo and different cultures/geography are going to have to be taken into account as well but this is one example of the numbers that we see are not accurate. 

Also to clarify I am not saying we do whatever we have to do to get to herd immunity so we can see concerts again if thats how I came across. I believe in social distancing and what we are doing right now with the lockdowns. 

ComeToTX said:

PJNB said:

Luckytwn1 said:

The_Giant_Midget said:

im in the small minority on these boards but I think it's going to happen in September for a number of reasons. lot can change in 5 months. positive vibes.

Well, you’re a fan on a message board. How about we ask Governor Newsom? As it happens, he was asked today about mass gatherings in California. He foresees no mass attendance events in the state until there is a vaccine:

’The prospect of mass gatherings is negligible at best until we get to herd immunity and we get to a vaccine,” Newsom said. “So large-scale events that bring in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of strangers altogether across every conceivable difference, health and otherwise, is not in the cards based upon our current guidelines and current expectations.”

There is no chance Ohana is happening in September. 

https://www.mercurynews.com/governor-newsom-mass-gatherings-not-in-the-cards-when-california-lockdown-is-lifted

You  are aware that there are two ways to get to herd immunity though right? What if we get there in the next 4 months? 

The other way kills a couple million Americans in a few months. I doubt we go that route so we can get back to concerts and sports more quickly. 

Not to mention, does anyone really think that If this virus raced through the population and kills millions between now and August to the point there is herd immunity, that Pearl Jam’s first thought would be we have to play Ohana in September? Society would be devastated under that scenario, both socially and economically. Concerts would not be going on. Also needed to be pointed out is that in a pandemic that (G*d forbid) rages through the country out of control like that, there would be no guarantee the band would even be intact. It’s not like rock stars have special immunity. 

I'm not gonna lie I regret buying tix for Sea Hear Now.  I just can't see myself being comfortable in a large crowd in September if a vaccine is not available (and it won't be).  

PJNB said:

ComeToTX said:

PJNB said:

Luckytwn1 said:

The_Giant_Midget said:

im in the small minority on these boards but I think it's going to happen in September for a number of reasons. lot can change in 5 months. positive vibes.

Well, you’re a fan on a message board. How about we ask Governor Newsom? As it happens, he was asked today about mass gatherings in California. He foresees no mass attendance events in the state until there is a vaccine:

’The prospect of mass gatherings is negligible at best until we get to herd immunity and we get to a vaccine,” Newsom said. “So large-scale events that bring in hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of strangers altogether across every conceivable difference, health and otherwise, is not in the cards based upon our current guidelines and current expectations.”

There is no chance Ohana is happening in September. 

https://www.mercurynews.com/governor-newsom-mass-gatherings-not-in-the-cards-when-california-lockdown-is-lifted

You  are aware that there are two ways to get to herd immunity though right? What if we get there in the next 4 months? 

The other way kills a couple million Americans in a few months. I doubt we go that route so we can get back to concerts and sports more quickly. 

We still do not know how many people have contracted this virus already and believe it or not we have no idea what the real death rate is. To say a few million people would die to get herd immunity is not accurate since the numbers you are using to get to that number is not accurate. We are only as good as our testing and our testing is still shit. 

 A good example of this is what Germany is doing. They tested a group of 500 people in a municipality called Gangelt. 14% of those tested either have or had the virus knowingly or not. That is nowheres near the 60% needed to get to herd immunity but the good news out of the study is they were able to recalculate their death rate in the city using these numbers and they determined it to be 0.37%. Way below the global average but still considerably higher than the flu. This is one study in one city. More will need to be done imo and different cultures/geography are going to have to be taken into account as well but this is one example of the numbers that we see are not accurate. 

Also to clarify I am not saying we do whatever we have to do to get to herd immunity so we can see concerts again if thats how I came across. I believe in social distancing and what we are doing right now with the lockdowns. 

Our country is doing none of that though. We’re not testing enough, we’re not antibody testing and we’re not tracing yet. We’ll be one of the last countries to recover because we’ve completely bungled the response.